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qbanprepster21 Jan 20, 5:34pm - #86790 
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?'s about NA Tune

What is part of a full NA tune, i know that you can get port/polish, new pistons, what else, what all be done to have a full na tune, and if anyone knows how much for each, and then the total, this is something that im really looking into, but i want to know more about it before i get heavy into it..any help will be appreciated, thanks guys!

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Grand-Touring-Dan Jan 20, 9:16pm - #86791 
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prices are up to your shop.

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valves
valve springs
pistons
big bore
electronics
rods
cams (regrinds)
port and polish (head, exhaust manifold, Intake manifold)
injectors

hope that helps
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Steven Jan 20, 9:27pm - #86792 
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-individual throttle bodies and or an air ram to maximize air Intake

-lightweight everything

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Immo Jan 20, 11:20pm - #86793 

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I believe the celica GT has 260 cc injectors right?
Will just putting in bigger injectors deliver power?

Friend of mine thinks the injectors of his eclipse might fit. those are 440cc.

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hybridcelica Jan 20, 11:43pm - #86794 
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Originally Posted by Immo
I believe the celica GT has 260 cc injectors right?
Will just putting in bigger injectors deliver power?

Friend of mine thinks the injectors of his eclipse might fit. those are 440cc.

dont go changing injectors like that,its not good for the car.injectors that big would not work,you might not even get the car started.plus idling problems etc.

you can get more power by adding injectors but the size would be very close to your originals 5 to 10 percent.
you can have the same cc but change the plume to a better one that atomizes the fuel better/you should only change injectors when the mods you have,has exhausted the fuel requirements of the engine.egs turbo,port and polish,cams,headers/exhaust combo that scavenge a lot etc.
to big injectors can foul the plugs and cause idling problems and makes the car difficult to start when warmed. dont want to get into too much details but would be glad to share if needed.
ps;even with the celica gt4 we would go from the stock 440 cc to 550cc from the supra and have problems if we are not running a different mass air flow meter(supra or lexus) or runing an hks vpc.and thats like 20% over.
i would recomend,if you are na and have the "kitchen sink" in bolt ons to your car and is running lean at mid to hi rpm to get 5 to 7 perfcent over stock with a differnt plume to maximize existing gains and prevent any excess detonation.
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qbanprepster21 Jan 21, 3:05am - #86795 
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thanks for all the help, much appreciated

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poncho13 Feb 11, 9:40am - #86796 
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when you made the list of things that a complete NA tune includes, i think you forgot the head gasket. They put on a thinner gasket dont they? correct me if im wrong
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Rave669 Feb 11, 10:06am - #86797 

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Thinner or thicker head gasket, depending on what you are trying to do. Thicker head gasket will lower compression, thinner one will raise it a little. Also, you want a dead-soft aluminum or copper head gasket, don't go for that paper junk, metal gaskets seal better.

Also, you may want to look into balancing and blueprinting services, they will balance the crank and weighted parts, and will check to see if the engine was machined to exact factory specs, and correct it where needed (some engines leave the factory with ports, bores, clearances and tolerances a bit off, which explains some cars performing better than others from the factory) A B&B will set you back anywhere from $300-$1000+, depending on the motor and amount of work done, but will assure that your motor will be machined and balanced exactly as the enineers originally intended.

You can also strengthen up the motor, replace those studs and bolts with a set from ARP, get forged main caps made, decent rod bearings (try twins-turbo for these, they make awesome bearings for the supra engines) Forged rods & pistons w/gapless rings (total seal). When that's done, you can pin the sleeves, or get a deck sleeve ring, and make the top of the block rock-solid to reduce cylinder flexing at high revs.

Lastly, since the 2ZZ is a high-revving beast, look into lightening up the moving parts, titanium valves and valve seats with hi-performance valve springs will not only reduce valve float, but will reduce the weight of the valvetrain (lightening up the valvetrain, even in tenths of grams, will let the motor rev up faster, and free up HP)

While were on the subject of revs and making things lighter, if you plan on hard-core racing, you may want to knife-edge the crankshaft, this will reduce the crankshaft's weight, and while it's been known to reduce torque a bit, it really bumps HP, and the motor will rev up a lot faster, this mod if for hardcore racers only! As a knife edged crank can possibly break, or you will lose a lot of torque. Only let experienced engine machinists do this for you, the person needs to know how much to take off the lobes of the crankshaft, and they still gotta keep it balanced. Definitely not for the weekend tuner!

Below is a knife-edged DSM crank, notice how it's been bull-nosed on the leading edge, and sharpened along the trailing edge. This reduces windage, as well as rotational mass. It's also less likely to froth up the oil in the pan when driving hard. A toyota crank will look different, but it can be knife edged like this as well...

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