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Truth or lies - Matrix #82873 Jan 14, 6:25pm Jan 14, 6:25pm
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I had read that the Matrix with the same 2zz engine as the GTS rated at 180 HP was in reality only 173. This obviously not at the wheels. Can this be true?

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82874 Jan 14, 6:45pm Jan 14, 6:45pm
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it does have the same engine as the GTS

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82875 Jan 14, 7:05pm Jan 14, 7:05pm
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Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: isaac] #82876 Jan 14, 8:05pm Jan 14, 8:05pm
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My real question is that if this is true did Toyota lower the HP's not to have a direct competition with itself? If this is true. I've read from some Toyota people that the Matrix only puts out 173. I don't know if this is true, but I also read that when the Celica was first introduced to the states that it gained some mysterious HP? I don't know, that's why I'm posting here.

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82877 Jan 14, 8:09pm Jan 14, 8:09pm
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it's funny a stock celica gets 15.3 when a matrix with a sc gets 15.7 rofl

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82878 Jan 14, 8:10pm Jan 14, 8:10pm
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wow, manual tranny with GTS motor and 16.5 in the 1/4, that sucks


was....5speed with i/h/e
15.41 @ 89.30mph 2.282 60'

is....04 srt4 stock
13.936 100.15mph 2.177 60'
Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: NorwayGT] #82879 Jan 14, 8:35pm Jan 14, 8:35pm
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Let's all remember that the Matrix that we are talking about must have massive drivetrain losses compared to a GTS and possible weight. But it still is humorous, I guess. What about the engine?

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82880 Jan 14, 10:00pm Jan 14, 10:00pm
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Just because it's the same engine doesn't mean that it's tuned the exact same way. The new Elise has the same engine as ours and it's tuned to 190.


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Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: RevMonster] #82881 Jan 14, 10:03pm Jan 14, 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Just because it's the same engine doesn't mean that it's tuned the exact same way. The new Elise has the same engine as ours and it's tuned to 190.


but damm, it is the same engine WITH a supercharger, and it runs slower times


was....5speed with i/h/e
15.41 @ 89.30mph 2.282 60'

is....04 srt4 stock
13.936 100.15mph 2.177 60'
Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: RevMonster] #82882 Jan 14, 10:10pm Jan 14, 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Just because it's the same engine doesn't mean that it's tuned the exact same way. The new Elise has the same engine as ours and it's tuned to 190.

That's the Yamaha cracked by the British for more potential in their Elise. Not a Toyota fighting with another Toyota. The engine should be the same.

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: hephaestus] #82883 Jan 14, 11:17pm Jan 14, 11:17pm
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The 2zz-ge engine isn't on all Matrix. Just the premo model

Re: Truth or lies - Matrix [Re: beans] #82884 Jan 15, 7:05am Jan 15, 7:05am
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according to toyota's official website ( http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/matrix/specs.html ) toyota no longer even manufactures a matrix with the vvtl-i engine (2zz). furthermore, when i bought my celica a sales rep was saying how the matrixes no longer have the 2zz engine (this was lat august).

i don't know the reason, but that's just the way toyota wants it to be.

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