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DaytonaCelica1 Jan 13, 2:27am - #81218 

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Reminder: Monster Garage Celica Jet Car Edition

Just wanted to remind everyone that the monster garage Celica/Jet car edition is on tonight at 9:00 eastern, everone tune in!
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Angelica Jan 13, 2:28am - #81219 
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i was just about to post this!!!
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Spencer Jan 13, 2:43am - #81220 

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watching it right now...

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hephaestus Jan 13, 2:48am - #81221 
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Almost forgot! Tape is going now. I'll watch it later when I'm in bed going to sleep. Don't spoil any surprises people or do for I won't look here again.
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beans Jan 13, 2:50am - #81222 
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they better succeed or I'll write one heck of a complaint letter
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celimangts17 Jan 13, 2:50am - #81223 

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those celicas in the beginning, are they running the TRD KAZUMA? cause thats [email]F@#$ing[/email] loud! i have never heard that exhaust in person but any thoughts of being able to pass that exhaust off where i live from the cops is gone. sounds awesome but damn thats loud.

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VSGTS14 Jan 13, 3:12am - #81224 

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it's soo cool...poor celica frown

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CelicaPrincess Jan 13, 3:35am - #81225 
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
...poor celica frown


the celica looks so weird. I only caught the last 2 min. of the show frown
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DaytonaCelica1 Jan 13, 3:36am - #81226 

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OK, who else saw that? all i have to say is wholly #@#$^%#@@#%^#$%#$@#$!#$#$%@#$%#$#!@. kinda wish they didn't have to stretch it out, but it was still awesome.
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Malaysian Jan 13, 3:37am - #81227 

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Man I live in British Columbia Canada and the show doesn't air till next monday angry
I've been waiting so long to see it. Oh well one more week won't be too bad.

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Death Jan 13, 3:38am - #81228 

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That flame job was the best I've ever seen. Ever.

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CelicaRacer05 Jan 13, 3:43am - #81229 

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It was pretty cool. What do they do with all the parts they rip out? just throw them out (ebay them to the kids!) the strech was kinda gay, id have liked if they kept it shorty, (they could have used that smaller engine from that atv thing, the helicopter engine) Too bad they didnt have a longer track to run it on, and with the possiblity of going 200+ they should have hit the salt flats instead, that would have been Sweet!! I thought the announcer kinda got lame after awhile, is that how i sound when i say "celica" i hope not, cause he sounded like a FOB

Good seeing a celica on tv, but i hope everyone doesnt go out and buy one now, that it has been on tv (thank god i got mine back in 2000, im not a poser)

Anyone want to make a bet that motor cycles will be huge next summer with the comming out of Torque in the comming weeks,?
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LostAngel Jan 13, 3:43am - #81230 
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Hell Yeah! Sweet car...I might just buy the dvd from discovery to get the extras not shown. And to end the debate, I am 99% sure it was a GT...due to the back breaks and the vvt-i thumbsup
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CelicaPrincess Jan 13, 3:47am - #81231 
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are they going to have a re-run of the show later?
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Celicacutie Jan 13, 3:53am - #81232 

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Originally Posted by CelicaPrincess
are they going to have a re-run of the show later?
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Rice Jan 13, 3:59am - #81233 

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pictures of the car will go up at midnight tonight on the Monster Garage site here:

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/monstergarage/episode/season2/episode_36.html
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 4:48am - #81234 

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very lame.

only 180mph... thumbsdown

I was expecting at least 250-300mph

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Elkal900 Jan 13, 4:55am - #81235 

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yea it was kinda sad watching them rip all that stuff out cry cry

and it was pretty lame about the speed, they could do better than that and they should the car is still there ready to go
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Celicacutie Jan 13, 5:22am - #81236 

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I felt the same way~
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
very lame.

only 180mph... thumbsdown

I was expecting at least 250-300mph
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Wheezy Joe
DiabloGTS Jan 13, 5:39am - #81237 

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I've had my STOCK GTS at 140, just 40 mph less than a JET ENGINE powered one.

If you ask me, the design stunk, and they should have taken it to the salt flats and really opened it up.

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LostAngel Jan 13, 5:44am - #81238 
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At least nobody said any negative comments towards the celica like some cars that have been on there. Even in the beginning jessie said its a fun car.
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Speed4TheNeed Jan 13, 6:27am - #81239 

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i would...but its against my religion to have a tv, so...
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ahyoumonkey Jan 13, 6:59am - #81240 
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If it is against your religion to watch Tv, so a dvd player for your car is out of the question? confused wtf
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supra_celica Jan 13, 8:34am - #81241 

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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
i would...but its against my religion to have a tv, so...


Um, then how can you watch and know about Star Wars like in your sig? Or are you just obsessed with legos? Just wondering. Legos are cool, though. thumbsup

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RaMMaR Jan 13, 9:12am - #81242 

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i'm watching it right now... damn, i miss my Celica. cry OMG those are some beautiful flames... eek Any chance someone has a pic/scan of the concept drawing? That'd be a cool desktop background. Hell, i want the original! cool

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RevMonster Jan 13, 9:35am - #81243 

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Just saw the rerun...

That was weak compared to what I expected. They needed WAY more room to run it and get it to top speed... maybe it would have went 300MPH, who knows? They only had the runway from some little POS airport for prop planes to use.

The paint job was sick at least. thumbsup

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trog2233 Jan 13, 1:00pm - #81244 

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i recorded it on my computer...but the file is HUGE...i'm tryin to find a way to compress it down...its 2 GIGS!!!! grin
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Speed4TheNeed Jan 13, 1:44pm - #81245 

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Originally Posted by ahyoumonkey
If it is against your religion to watch Tv, so a dvd player for your car is out of the question? confused wtf


no. movies are acceptable. tv's are considerred "too easy access" for raunchy viewing...but go figure, because we're allowed to have computers. haha obviously my religion must not know about the ecelica porn laughsilly

but in any case...i have one tv in my house...but it has no antenna and all thats hooked up to it is a vcr and a playstation 2.
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Speed4TheNeed Jan 13, 1:48pm - #81246 

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Originally Posted by supra_celica
Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
i would...but its against my religion to have a tv, so...


Um, then how can you watch and know about Star Wars like in your sig? Or are you just obsessed with legos? Just wondering. Legos are cool, though. thumbsup


nah, i love star wars! (and legos). we're allowed to watch movies as long as the ratings are allright (r-rated movies are generally looked down upon)...but imo...i like most movies period.

like i said above..the reason we don't have tv's is because it's considered too easy to view things that are not appropriate. which is understandable, because temptation is there
( rofl...can you tell this has been repeated to me over and over again growing up? good.), but to me its more about responsibility. (we can have computers--go figure...thats easier access than ANY tv)

that said, i'll have several widescreens in my own house thumbsup
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RicePowered Jan 13, 2:26pm - #81247 
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I thought the show was decent ... but everytime I saw them throw stuff away, all I saw was $$$$$$ and cry cry

But that paint job rocked ... it looked badass thumbsup
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 2:40pm - #81248 

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my dad was like "Shit, I should have driven out to long beach and offered to take that stuff to the dump for them. Seats, carpet, engine, exhaust, hatch, etc."

I would have liked those TRD brakes

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RicePowered Jan 13, 2:44pm - #81249 
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oh yeah, I practically drooled when I saw those brakes ... eek eek eek eek

Me likey thumbsup
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 2:58pm - #81250 

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I was like "freebie?! Try $2700 frown"

Those brakes held back 6,000HP, so I imagine they stop very nice.

Must be nice to work for TRD and get free stuff thumbsdown

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beans Jan 13, 3:22pm - #81251 
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I'm feeling those TRD calipers. thumbsup
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Justice Jan 13, 3:29pm - #81252 

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it was cool to see them take it apart but i was very upset w/ the result.. the total cost was like 30k 40k if you include the value of the freebees... and they only got up to like 185? thumbsdown i did like the paint job though. thumbsup
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beans Jan 13, 3:44pm - #81253 
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who knows where the best place to get those TRD calipers?
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 5:10pm - #81254 

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Originally Posted by beans
who knows where the best place to get those TRD calipers?


it's a TRD big brake kit.

You need 17" rims or bigger to support it. wctoyota has them, I believe.

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trog2233
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trog2233 Jan 13, 5:11pm - #81255 

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yes not cheap either ...Freebie my ass

http://www.wctoyotasport.com/Parts/00642-43051-400.htm
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DiabloGTS
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 5:13pm - #81256 

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jeebus.

TRD needs to get their act together.

If that was $1K, or $1200, they would sell them.

For $2,000, you can just upgrade the stock ones, and get lots of other mods.


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Angelica Jan 13, 5:37pm - #81257 
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yeah it was awesome however, it was sad to see them throw that stuff away and rip out the celica..but i am glad they succeded!
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Gen7fan Jan 13, 5:38pm - #81258 
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I thought is was a good episode, cool idea, and I love the fact that our car was on Monster Garage. The paint job was sweet as a mofo, and I about lost it when I saw those big ass TRD brakes.

But did anyone notice they keep calling it a 03 Celica, more like a 00-02, had the wrong nose and rear to be a 03.
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DiabloGTS
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DiabloGTS Jan 13, 5:41pm - #81259 

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Originally Posted by Gen7fan
I thought is was a good episode, cool idea, and I love the fact that our car was on Monster Garage. The paint job was sweet as a mofo, and I about lost it when I saw those big ass TRD brakes.

But did anyone notice they keep calling it a 03 Celica, more like a 00-02, had the wrong nose and rear to be a 03.


it was a celebrity race car, so it doesn't have the "stock" pieces on it. I believe it has the 02 style front/rear and a c1 looking wing

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Gen7fan Jan 13, 5:43pm - #81260 
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good point, didn't look at it that way.
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LostAngel Jan 13, 6:41pm - #81261 
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One thing I didnt understand was, when they were taking out the engine, it said "VVT-I"...and also, from what I saw, the rear breaks were not discs. Therefore making it seem it was a GT, but all celebrity celicas are GTS'.

----celebrity celica stats----
ENGINE



Type: Four-Cylinder, Twin Cam, 16-Valve VVTL-i

Displacement: 1.8 Liters

Power: 180 @ 7,600 rpm

Induction: Normally Aspirated, Toyota Electronic Port Injection w/Plenum Intake and Individual Runners

Bore: 3.23 Inches

Stroke: 3.35 Inches

Compression Ratio: 11.5:1

Fuel: F&L Racing Fuel 100+ Octane

Fuel Pump: Toyota

Exhaust: TRD Free Flow Stainless Steel Exhaust
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xXMaGNuSXx Jan 13, 7:11pm - #81262 
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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
Originally Posted by supra_celica
Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
i would...but its against my religion to have a tv, so...


Um, then how can you watch and know about Star Wars like in your sig? Or are you just obsessed with legos? Just wondering. Legos are cool, though. thumbsup


nah, i love star wars! (and legos). we're allowed to watch movies as long as the ratings are allright (r-rated movies are generally looked down upon)...but imo...i like most movies period.

like i said above..the reason we don't have tv's is because it's considered too easy to view things that are not appropriate. which is understandable, because temptation is there
( rofl...can you tell this has been repeated to me over and over again growing up? good.), but to me its more about responsibility. (we can have computers--go figure...thats easier access than ANY tv)

that said, i'll have several widescreens in my own house thumbsup


What religion are you?
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JAIMEJAMES
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JAIMEJAMES Jan 13, 7:26pm - #81263 

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gee, a lot of negative but unwarranted responses. people have to remember they did all the dismantling, fabrication and rebuild in just 5 days (how many of us take a day just to do the brakes?). the whole point of the show is to take some crazy ideas and complete them in a real short amount of time. even the rocket engine specialist stated he never completed a rocket car in less than a month's time. they basically took a handful of different individuals with separate backgrounds/work ethics and got them to work together as a team in a real short amount of time. i'm sure if they had a much longer build time with additional times for tuning they could have gone a lot faster.

as for the look of the car, come on. it's a jet car and physics wouldn't allow a celica's short frame to safely go in a straight line or even support a jet engine that size (if anyone caught the beginning of the show he DID mention if the car had to be stretched or left alone). and the paint job with the flames was (excuse the pun) hot. much better than most of the paint schemes on import cars today. besides, jesse is a custom car and bike builder. he's not a true import enthusiast but it's nice to see he acknowledges the genre. heck, his favorite import is the skyline and rx-7. great, coming from a hardcore gearhead with a hot rod and bike background. i'm sure none of the haters would voice their opinions to his face. the guy is huge and has a history of knocking heads (played college football and was a bouncer and body guard in the past). the guy is cool (even gave a way one of his project cars to a disabled guy; much against the producers of his show) and doesn't take shiznet from anybody. how many of you can fabricate vehicles like him? can you tell i'm a fan?

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beans Jan 13, 7:41pm - #81264 
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Originally Posted by trog2233

yes not cheap either ...Freebie my ass

http://www.wctoyotasport.com/Parts/00642-43051-400.htm


laughsilly

Wow, 2 grand for brakes? I wonder which one is better AEM or TRD 4 piston calipers
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Krayze
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Krayze Jan 13, 11:32pm - #81265 

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TRD is better , but rotora is the same thing and a lot cheaper. also brembo makes a big brake kit if i am not mistaken. AEM's jsut relocates the stock claiper.

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LostAngel
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LostAngel Jan 14, 6:25am - #81266 
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Originally Posted by Krayze
trd is better , but rotora is the same thing and a lot cheaper. also brembo makes a big brake kit if i am not mistaken. aem's jsut relocates the stock claiper.

Yeah, brembo makes a big brake kit but damn! they are expensive.
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LinkTallica Jan 14, 6:27am - #81267 

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