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Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? #79915 Jan 10, 11:09am Jan 10, 11:09am
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Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica?
Ok guys I need some opinions. I really love my celica (my first car) and it looks a lot better than a Firebird but its slow and I wish I hadn't got an auto but did in my ignorance. Would you sell your celica for a 1998 Trans Am Firebird? It has like 300 hp and torque and I would love that power. I have a deal to get one for like 13000 and i have $20000 in my car as it is (alot of problems with the body kit). I figure I could sell my celi for like 17000 and still have about 2 grand for mods. So what would you do? and is their anything you can do to make a trans am look good besides the ram scoop (body kits or exterior mods?)?

Thanks for the opinions... thumbsup


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79916 Jan 10, 11:17am Jan 10, 11:17am
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what year and model is your car? 17,000 seems a bit too high.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79917 Jan 10, 11:31am Jan 10, 11:31am
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no i would rather have the celica over that no matter how fast it is.


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: VSGTS14] #79918 Jan 10, 1:01pm Jan 10, 1:01pm
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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: ToiletPaper] #79919 Jan 10, 1:08pm Jan 10, 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by ToiletPaper
what year and model is your car? 17,000 seems a bit too high.


'00 gts' run about 10k-11k trade in..private party sale you might be able to fetch 13k maybe 14k

just my opinion.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: VSGTS14] #79920 Jan 10, 1:40pm Jan 10, 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
no i would rather have the celica over that no matter how fast it is.


definetly. remember that ull pay more for gas and ur car is way heavier. ull suck on turns, and ull step in a total different world. think twice if you going with an america. might break down quicker and loose its price like shit after you buy one. these cars are good to buy on low miles. i duno much about the car, but i wouldnt think they would have much aftermarket support as the celica(not sure about that). i have driven a trans am, ive even drivin a camaro ss, but i wont buy them. if i were u, sell ur celica and get some new car off dealer with payments. my 0.02

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: stefanoc] #79921 Jan 10, 1:47pm Jan 10, 1:47pm
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for what its worth: i think you'll corner just as well in a trans am as you do in a celica. both are very low to the ground and both stock suspensions are good.

doesnt mean i'd buy one.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #79922 Jan 10, 1:58pm Jan 10, 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
for what its worth: i think you'll corner just as well in a trans am as you do in a celica. both are very low to the ground and both stock suspensions are good.

doesnt mean i'd buy one.


size matters, so does weight

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79923 Jan 10, 2:03pm Jan 10, 2:03pm
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i would never buy a trans am, mustang, camaro or anything like that, if what you want is a really fast car then get a mid 90's eclipse GSX (my friend had cry one and with just i/h/e, and a few ECU mods he ran 13.2) and if you want a nice car then KEEP your celica, or trade it for a manual one if thats what you really want


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79924 Jan 10, 2:05pm Jan 10, 2:05pm
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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79925 Jan 10, 2:19pm Jan 10, 2:19pm
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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: stefanoc] #79926 Jan 10, 2:21pm Jan 10, 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by stefanoc

Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd

for what its worth: i think you'll corner just as well in a trans am as you do in a celica. both are very low to the ground and both stock suspensions are good.

doesnt mean i'd buy one.


size matters, so does weight


you could be right, the '98 firebird trans am weighs almost 1,000 pounds more than a celica (3,435). but don't forget most of the celicas weight (2,500) lies in the front of the vehicle and this makes for a lot of understeer (take a turn at a high speed and it feels as if your back wheels will slip out from under you)

edit--i'm not the only one with this complaint. cars.com also feels the same way...back tires feel as though they would slip if given any motivation.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79927 Jan 10, 2:30pm Jan 10, 2:30pm
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i was in your position one year ago when i was looking for a car. the celica and the firebird/camaro were my final choices. of course i went with the celica and now that i look back i think i made the better choice. with me being 19, working part time, and going to school i needed a more fuel efficient car. even though it isn't as much power as a trans-am, it's enough for me cause i used to drive a civic auto. but if you did go with the trans-am you'd be faster than a lot of other cars. just watch out for your insurance and gas.


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: VSGTS14] #79928 Jan 10, 2:44pm Jan 10, 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
no i would rather have the celica over that no matter how fast it is.
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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: righteous_one] #79929 Jan 10, 3:49pm Jan 10, 3:49pm
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Don't forget with a Trans Am or Camaro, by law, you have to grow a huge ass mullet and listen to Bon Jovi or Def Leppard.

heh

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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79930 Jan 10, 5:21pm Jan 10, 5:21pm
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hey, I don't know why everyone here is bashing the TA, it's a good car generally speaking, RWD, gobs of torque, abundant HP.

I prefer older TA's however, the newer ones are okay, and very tunable. But remember this:

USED TA's are usually beat to hell, because mostly young drivers are the previous owners, and they beat the hell out of their rides 80% of the time.

what are the miles like? if it's under 50K on the odo, it may be okay. less miles are better.

It's RWD, it's horrid in the winter, and the rear axle is straight across (no independant rear suspension)

It may be nice in good weather, on the 1/4 mile, but you will need a LOT of suspension mods to make it handle like a celica.

Lastly, if it's a V6, stay away from it! it's not worth the money. If it has the firehawk conversion, or another high-performance option from the factory, it is an especially desireable car.

Now, the advantages:

Engine swaps are a no-brainer on this one, lots of GM motors will work in this thing, as will some ford motors.

Mass produced, so many replacement part are available dirt cheap from salvage yards & such. Also, this car has a HUGE aftermarket. you will have no trouble finding mods for a TA.

Last bit of advice I have is to check it out thouroughly, make sure the miles aren't too hiogh, the brakes and engine are in good order, and the tranny doesn't slip or grind. if there is any little problem that nags you, don't buy it! while they are fun musclecars to build and wrench on, they are known for having issues. be prepared to have to fix something every once in a while.


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79931 Jan 10, 6:42pm Jan 10, 6:42pm
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IF you could actually fetch good money for your Celi and are looking at used cars, why not a Supra TT? Far better car, and you might be able to steal one for within your price range if you look hard enough for a non-modded one.

In general I think that people do tend to beat the hell out of the big V8 American cars... because fast driving is the only reason you'd own a car like a TA.

I too regret having an auto GTS, but I'm not going to go trade it for a used car. I'm just not going super-heavy on mods and am saving for a nice new car in a year or two... maybe an STi or S2000? Patience pays off.


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: robare99] #79932 Jan 10, 7:07pm Jan 10, 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by robare99
Don't forget with a Trans Am or Camaro, by law, you have to grow a huge ass mullet and listen to Bon Jovi or Def Leppard.

heh

Rob




hah, lol, i know, right
stick with the import

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: markmarkmark4] #79933 Jan 10, 9:29pm Jan 10, 9:29pm
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I dont know guys I really like the trans am. I also found out today that my insurance on my celi went down by like 50% so now I have a lot more money left over for more mods. I'm really trying to figure this one out. And I think I could get some more money than 11 to 13 k on my car. Unlike California and big places my car is about the best around here besides a few others and Ive had offers for 19 k and even 21 k and this is no BS. We have a lot of rich old retired people around here. Old peeps really like my car b/c it looks classy.

The only thing I got to think about is the Trans Am has a huge aftermarket while the Celica dont and it just sucks. And from the looks of it, it dont seem to be increasing in size (Sad but true Fact). I wish I could find a TT Supra but they are super hard to find around here or no one is selling. Does anyone know the weight to HP ratio for the TA Firebird vs. the Celica?


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: robare99] #79934 Jan 10, 9:53pm Jan 10, 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by robare99
Don't forget with a Trans Am or Camaro, by law, you have to grow a huge ass mullet and listen to Bon Jovi or Def Leppard.

heh

Rob

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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79935 Jan 10, 10:16pm Jan 10, 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Spencer
I dont know guys I really like the trans am. I also found out today that my insurance on my celi went down by like 50% so now I have a lot more money left over for more mods. I'm really trying to figure this one out. And I think I could get some more money than 11 to 13 k on my car. Unlike California and big places my car is about the best around here besides a few others and Ive had offers for 19 k and even 21 k and this is no BS. We have a lot of rich old retired people around here. Old peeps really like my car b/c it looks classy.

The only thing I got to think about is the Trans Am has a huge aftermarket while the Celica dont and it just sucks. And from the looks of it, it dont seem to be increasing in size (Sad but true Fact). I wish I could find a TT Supra but they are super hard to find around here or no one is selling. Does anyone know the weight to HP ratio for the TA Firebird vs. the Celica?


Since you brought up insurance, you had better see what your insurance is going to be for one of those powerfull Trans Am's. I know that when I was buying my GTS back in 2000, one of the other cars I was considering was the Trans Am.

Insurance for my GTS at the time was $600 every 6 months. Insurance for the Trans Am was $2300 every 6 months.

Needless to say, I got the GTS with out even test driving the Trans Am.

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for me a good sports car is when its light and it is not too big. i dislike the looks of camaro, etc... the front is too long, the dashboard goes too far long. someone could sleep on the frickin dashboard.
yes, the advantage is rwd and that is a big plus. being rwd though, the steering is either almost similar or worst then celicas. i also dont like the way the interior of these cars are, and the seating is weird. its too long, front and back. if it looked good, i wouldnt mind how long they are, but i dont find them looking good. these types of cars will drop its $$ once you open the door and sit in it. i dislike sports car productions by GM or FORD. they might not suck, but it just doesnt interest me. looking under the Hood of GM or FORD doesnt interest me, but i care looking under imports euro cars.
they use lot more gas, their durability sucks, but their fast. i personally dont like it at all, and i wouldnt recommend it to a friend. but if they like the car, i wouldnt make them dislike it. i understand why ppl like it but its just not me.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: stefanoc] #79937 Jan 10, 11:03pm Jan 10, 11:03pm
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The newest body stile Camero/Trans Am is very reliable.

My dads 96 Camero has over 200,000 miles on it and all he has had done to it is routine maintenence, brake jobs, and a clutch replacement at 160,000 miles.

Also, they don't get bad gas mileage IMO, they get 19 in the city and 28 on the high way.


Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: chameleon] #79938 Jan 10, 11:07pm Jan 10, 11:07pm
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u must be talking about a ws6 with that kind of horsepower, i highly advise you to check into the insurance, and the diff in gas cost (the get worse mpg, but do not require premium) check that out then look on how much more the car will cost you in a year... dont get it if it has over 60k miles cuz, well trust me dont hehe, my family had a fbird and after 60 it wasnt much of a joy anymore. also theres the reliability isssue, in the end it will cost you a lot more, you wont have as good turning, but your car will be faster. Why have a fast car that cant turn, all you can do is drag, not auto-x or anything... dont forget that there are speed limits heh

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: LifeofDanger] #79939 Jan 11, 12:36am Jan 11, 12:36am
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Dont go for the TA. I can say from experience with an older heavy powerful rwd car the celica is much nicer ride quality, and far better turning. I do love my MK3 supra, the torque is great as is the ct-26 turbo, 28 way power- adjustable seat, lack of torque steer, and of course the attention, (yes more than from the celi) but i must say the celi turns so much better and is more fun in wet weather. Power can always be added and alittle power goes a lot farther with 1000 less pounds. And if you still want power go for a mk 3 or a Z. So much more class. TA's are hidious. ( I am selling my mk 3, its on the for sale forum) pics coming on tonight possibly, if i can figure it out.)

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I'd stay with the Celi, don't know if I'd buy a discontinued car.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: mikalous] #79941 Jan 11, 1:14am Jan 11, 1:14am
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Dude our car is on the brink of discontinuation.

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: mikalous] #79942 Jan 11, 1:15am Jan 11, 1:15am
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Originally Posted by mikalous
I'd stay with the Celi, don't know if I'd buy a discontinued car.


What?? You wouldn't buy a Daewoo Nubia if given the rare chance? eek


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Thanks Guys for allllllll the info. Think I'm staying with the celica until I can find a supra or afford a Z. I really like Supra's and want one bad does n e one know places to just look around?


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Originally Posted by dmaxd03
Dont go for the TA. I can say from experience with an older heavy powerful rwd car the celica is much nicer ride quality, and far better turning. I do love my MK3 supra, the torque is great as is the ct-26 turbo, 28 way power- adjustable seat, lack of torque steer, and of course the attention, (yes more than from the celi) but i must say the celi turns so much better and is more fun in wet weather. Power can always be added and alittle power goes a lot farther with 1000 less pounds. And if you still want power go for a mk 3 or a Z. So much more class. TA's are hidious. ( I am selling my mk 3, its on the for sale forum) pics coming on tonight possibly, if i can figure it out.)


oh and ill be looking man...


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79945 Jan 11, 7:21pm Jan 11, 7:21pm
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Even though I like the firebirds, I like the celica better. Celica has overall performance...imo firebird is a 'straight line' car. Just my $.02

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Originally Posted by LostAngel
Even though I like the firebirds, I like the celica better. Celica has overall performance...imo firebird is a 'straight line' car. Just my $.02


Well we dont have many auto X tracks around here just drag strips and as you already know the celica aint the best car for this...so I want a straight line car if thats what you call it spineyes


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79947 Jan 11, 8:33pm Jan 11, 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by Spencer
Thanks Guys for allllllll the info. Think I'm staying with the celica until I can find a supra or afford a Z. I really like Supra's and want one bad does n e one know places to just look around?


That's nice.

17K for used Celica wtf crazy

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my friend had one, trans am, they're not comfortable.

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For the love of imports please keep the celi.

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You can make a celica faster than a trans am plus celica is way lighter. If you want a different car get a manual celica or a Supra TT


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A lot of domestic bashing going on here. I say do what you want but my .02 cents is if you want speed get the Trans am. They are a lot easier to mod then a celica, Tons of aftermarket support, more then enough power to spare and any car can handle good with a good after market setup. stock for stock the Trans am is ok looking (not my style) and a lot faster and will handle about the same as a celica. I've driven both, you need to get used to the RWD to get it to handle nicely and yes the Trans am will over steer easily if you smash the power on a corner. just about the same as a celica will understeer if you smash the pedal hard on a corner.
All for all the Trans AM is a nice car and good car to mod. With very little money you can easily get a Trans AM into the low 13s on the 1/4 mile. The celica will need a little bit more money in mods just to get it in the low 13s.
But they are both very nice cars and hard to compare. The celica is more towards looks and cornering, some performance (Let the flaming begin) but you cant beat the celicas reliability.
As for the Trans AM the body styling is ok, but has good power for stock and with a few mods can kick some major ass. but its all up to you i say go for it.
Sorry for the long post. grin



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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79953 Jan 13, 12:33am Jan 13, 12:33am
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[b][i]Ive had offers for 19 k and even 21 k and this is no BS. We have a lot of rich old retired people around here. Old peeps really like my car b/c it looks classy.


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You got offered that much money for your car and you didnt sell it b/c?????????????????????

I dont understand that


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79954 Jan 13, 1:27am Jan 13, 1:27am
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Well, my buddy Wiped out in the rain doin' 40 mph on the highway in his 02 T/A Convertible (Rare). He ran ran it w/ a Vette ZO6 and lost by less than a car length. Not bad speed for the money, but when it comes to handeling, the Celica will stick hands down. But, again, mods, mods, MODS.

Consider insurance, too. I can afford a Supra when I pay my Celica off in 4 months. But my insurance would be $1,000 for both cars. So, get a qote before you buy. A V-8 T/A is in a different bracket than a Celica for most companies. 2 door coupe (Celica) is not a 2 door Sports car with double the engine.


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79955 Jan 13, 3:19am Jan 13, 3:19am
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what about insurance? Its going to be a BIG differnce. Not one of those things you really think about at first, but you could end up paying like $500 a month.
just food for thought.
bottom line though, dont do anything if you have any doubts, just cause its a good deal doesnt mean you should take it, for all you know you could sell your car but before you can buy the Trans Am someone else did!
There will always be deals for those willing to play hard-ball grin


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Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: SuperMcFly] #79956 Jan 13, 6:41am Jan 13, 6:41am
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Originally Posted by SuperMcFly
what about insurance? Its going to be a BIG differnce. Not one of those things you really think about at first, but you could end up paying like $500 a month.
just food for thought.
bottom line though, dont do anything if you have any doubts, just cause its a good deal doesnt mean you should take it, for all you know you could sell your car but before you can buy the Trans Am someone else did!
There will always be deals for those willing to play hard-ball grin


maybe or maybe not. many insurance companies go by the YEAR of the car (as long as they are in the same class...since both are sportscars, and hence in the same class..the year will be the deciding factor)

since the pontiac is a '98 and therefore lower in year, your insurance may actually be cheaper.

another thing insurance companies use is value...but in this case it's not much different and if i had to pick...i'd say the celi is worth more than a '98 trans am firebird (could be wrong--visit kbb.com)

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #79957 Jan 14, 8:50am Jan 14, 8:50am
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I don't know of any insurance company that just rates cars based on value. The primary factor for insurance premium rates for every insurance company I have ever delt with has been risk. They go on past claims from different cars and place them in risk categories. The Trans Am is in the highest risk category possible. frown

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: chameleon] #79958 Jan 14, 9:19am Jan 14, 9:19am
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Originally Posted by chameleon
I don't know of any insurance company that just rates cars based on value. The primary factor for insurance premium rates for every insurance company I have ever delt with has been risk. They go on past claims from different cars and place them in risk categories. The Trans Am is in the highest risk category possible. frown


well ys, obviously (sorry..i left this out of my post because that IS the very most basic factor). what i was saying about value (doesnt apply if all you have is liability) and year are what determines the extra cost of insurance between two cars (because the risk stays the same--it used to be red cars were automatically charged more because they were more likely to get into wrecks for some reason..but i know of no company that does this anymore)

Re: Huge debate...Trans Am or Celica? [Re: Spencer] #79959 Jan 14, 1:19pm Jan 14, 1:19pm
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Trans Am's are ugly and gay, celica's look a lot better!...if you want speed go with the trans am, but if you want show go with the celica...either way i would take the celica over the trans am anytime!


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