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Feston Dec 22, 8:06am - #71963 
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PPL Check This Shi Out - Awsom Idea!

Since the (Eval New Orleans Celica Head Lights) are so expensive why don't we make a list of ppl that really want them bad, (Me!!!). We put enough money together and order one pair. When they are're shipped, me or some one else finds some one that knows how to work with computers good, like graphic designing or somethin, and mesaure them and make the exect coy so we can make the covers just like the guy In the picture below then make them ourselves, It would be much cheaper, I know this may sound ILLEGAL but those celica head lights are so hoot/tight I want them bad, but I don't wanna get ripped for a pair of headlights, you know $2000 Damn!!! When It could be $200 or less. I know guys this sounds CRAZY But It may also work out perfect, I'm not forcing/Brain-Washin any one this was only my Idea/Opinion,

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BReakinDrifTs Dec 22, 8:22am - #71964 
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hmmm, I think finding a way to redesign this lights by yourself will be a little hard. I think will end up costing around the same as the real price maybe even more. wave
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devilinacelica Dec 22, 2:16pm - #71965 
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dude this guy spent soo much time and effort making these lights..it would be just wrong to try to make a friggin replica of them. Thats just like people who want a replica to the trial bodykit. just wrong...but thats just my .02

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Originally Posted by devilinacelica
dude this guy spent soo much time and effort making these lights..it would be just wrong to try to make a friggin replica of them. Thats just like people who want a replica to the trial bodykit. just wrong...but thats just my .02


I agree...u can try to make these...but i'm gonna say its probably gonna look like puke puke

If you want them just save and get them off him grin thumbsup
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hkysk8r86 Dec 22, 3:46pm - #71967 

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Yeah, tryin' to rip the dude off would be wrong, I'm sayin' why don't we try and work out a deal that he'll lower the price if we can get a group buy of like 10+ people, and they'd be like 1200 a piece or something like that you know?
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Whateverman Dec 22, 6:56pm - #71968 
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Umm ...I may be wrong on this, but aren't these replica M sport headlights? What's wrong with trying to make a better product for a better price? That's what Tater did and nobody complained. that's what the world does in general. If not, our 7th gen Celica's would all look like the 1976 Celica pimped out (scary thought)


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spaztikid Dec 22, 7:06pm - #71969 
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i think in the end...after all the work and money you put in to copying his headlights you'll spend more than the 2K for a prototype.
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carbon_blue_gt Dec 22, 8:35pm - #71970 
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I have a better idea... why not compose your list, but then, instead of trying to screw tater, why not gather the money into a group buy. Maybe if he was selling say 20 pairs, then he could cut a break in the price, because he'd be able to temporarily hire someone to help him with the incredibly complicated construction of his amazing products!

And yes, it is illegal to do a direct copy of his work, and the consequence is a huge fine and possibly jail time for EVERYONE involved with the process of making and selling the copies.

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XxMerlinxX Dec 22, 8:47pm - #71971 
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Eh, I'm not gonna nit pick about legalities (cause technically it wouldn't be illegal to copy them), but I'd rather find another way to to it. I was just wondering how much those were. $2000 is insane though. He definitely needs to bring the price down because they can't be that entricate. It's a damn headlight afterall. He's working with fiberglass, not titanium. My .02 cents.

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carbon_blue_gt Dec 22, 8:57pm - #71972 
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Originally Posted by XxMerlinxX
Eh, I'm not gonna nit pick about legalities (cause technically it wouldn't be illegal to copy them), but I'd rather find another way to to it. I was just wondering how much those were. $2000 is insane though. He definitely needs to bring the price down because they can't be that entricate. It's a damn headlight afterall. He's working with fiberglass, not titanium. My .02 cents.


Wouldn't it be copyright infringement? And as for the complication of the construction... have you ever taken the time to really think through the porcess of building a fiberglass headlight housing that 1. must perfectly fit the car, and bolt into the same holes as the original; and 2. be shaped properly to fit the back-spacing of the headlights; and 3. properly aim the bulbs; 4. be completely water-proof at every seal; and 5. be strong enough to stand up to the rigors of bouncing over shitty roads; 6. and finally, have a smooth enough surface to provide a good finish once painted.

Trust me, working with fiberglass is no picnic. I have done enough of it myself, as I am in the process of developing my own bodykit, spoiler, and a custom speaker box to fill the area of my removed backseat. I think that for all of the work, planning, and fabrication that Tater is doing with each set of headlights that he builds, and the desire to make a little money (and i doubt his profit margin is very high, if you deduct the time that he spends on each set), $2000 is not too incredibly high. Take some time, and price out a set of stock headlights at the dealer. I will call my dealer, and get the price, and I'll post it in a few minutes.

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carbon_blue_gt Dec 22, 9:12pm - #71973 
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OK... the cost of the headlights from my dealer is $500 for the pair. That is for a mass-produced injected plastic part, not a custom hand made fiberglass component.

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I'm gonna look into the new lights that come with the action package whenever I get to see them grin

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carbon_blue_gt Dec 22, 9:42pm - #71975 
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
I'm gonna look into the new lights that come with the action package whenever I get to see them grin


Yeah, i was just reading about that... they sounds awesome. I can't wait to see the whole kit.

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i dont really like the Eval New Orleans Celica Head Lights they kinda make the celica look like it has spider eyes.
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Spider eyes look good, but damn expensive.
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XxMerlinxX Dec 23, 12:04am - #71978 
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Originally Posted by carbon_blue_gt

Originally Posted by XxMerlinxX

Eh, I'm not gonna nit pick about legalities (cause technically it wouldn't be illegal to copy them), but I'd rather find another way to to it. I was just wondering how much those were. $2000 is insane though. He definitely needs to bring the price down because they can't be that entricate. It's a damn headlight afterall. He's working with fiberglass, not titanium. My .02 cents.


Wouldn't it be copyright infringement? And as for the complication of the construction... have you ever taken the time to really think through the porcess of building a fiberglass headlight housing that 1. must perfectly fit the car, and bolt into the same holes as the original; and 2. be shaped properly to fit the back-spacing of the headlights; and 3. properly aim the bulbs; 4. be completely water-proof at every seal; and 5. be strong enough to stand up to the rigors of bouncing over shitty roads; 6. and finally, have a smooth enough surface to provide a good finish once painted.

Trust me, working with fiberglass is no picnic. I have done enough of it myself, as I am in the process of developing my own bodykit, spoiler, and a custom speaker box to fill the area of my removed backseat. I think that for all of the work, planning, and fabrication that Tater is doing with each set of headlights that he builds, and the desire to make a little money (and i doubt his profit margin is very high, if you deduct the time that he spends on each set), $2000 is not too incredibly high. Take some time, and price out a set of stock headlights at the dealer. I will call my dealer, and get the price, and I'll post it in a few minutes.


I don't know whether or not he has actually copyrighted them, but all you'd have to do to get around that is change the pattern of the bulbs. It's the same thing that other companies do to rip off name brand bodykits. Change the design just a smidgen so that they can't get sued. And to be honest, no, I don't think it would be too terribly hard to replicate a set if you were to buy a pair from him.

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Ok, I guess its time for me to chime in.

First off, it is refreshing to see so many folks here that are morally and ethically grounded.
Thanks for trying to show those who would steal someones artwork the error of their indefensible ways. Im not going to even try to and convince those that imply that buying someones product and pulling a mold off of it with the intent of producing counterfeit copies is illegal. I would suggest that they contact a patent and copyright attorney and get an explanation of design and utility patents. If you want to create a faithful likeness by sculpting your own artwork then get sculpting.

For the people (thats you, Feston -AKA A_Beautiful_Mind1) that would put so much thought and energy in to procuring artwork to counterfeit, why not spend a little less thought and energy and create your own art? Sculpting auto body work isnt all that difficult and in the end you will have that warm fuzzy feeling knowing you created something for yourself.

Anyway, does it not occur to you to shoot an e-mail or PM to the person whose work you wish to copy and ask if it is Ok to do so or if they offer some sort of licensing? Had you inquired, you would have found that for less than the price of a complete pair of DP headlights you can buy a master model set of the seven models required for producing your own molds and with that comes no restrictions on how many parts you may produce from them. In addition, for the price of a set of painted DP headlights you can get a complete set of the seven RTV molds required to produce the dual projector headlights. So, as you can see, sometimes it pays to do the ethical thing and not be such sneaky shiat. There you have it, if you care to take me up on my offering, let me know. thumbsup
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Originally Posted by Tater
Ok, I guess its time for me to chime in.

First off, it is refreshing to so many folks here that are morally and ethically grounded.
Thanks for trying to show those who would steal someones artwork the error of their indefensible ways. Im not going to even try to and convince those that imply that buying someones product and pulling a mold off of it with the intent of producing counterfeit copies is illegal. I would suggest that they contact a patent and copyright attorney and get an explanation of design and utility patents. If you want to create a faithful likeness by sculpting your own artwork then get sculpting.

For the people (thats you, Feston -AKA A_Beautiful_Mind1) that would put so much thought and energy in to procuring artwork to counterfeit, why not spend a little less thought and energy and create your own art? Sculpting auto body work isnt all that difficult and in the end you will have that warm fuzzy feeling knowing you created something for yourself.

Anyway, does it not occur to you to shoot an e-mail or PM to the person whose work you wish to copy and ask if it is Ok to do so or if they offer some sort of licensing? Had you inquired, you would have found that for less than the price of a complete pair of DP headlights you can buy a master model set of the seven models required for producing your own molds and with that comes no restrictions on how many parts you may produce from them. In addition, for the price of a set of painted DP headlights you can get a complete set of the seven RTV molds required to produce the dual projector headlights. So, as you can see, sometimes it pays to do the ethical thing and not be such sneaky shiat. There you have it, if you care to take me up on my offering, let me know. thumbsup



HAHAHAHAHA thanks for shuting some of those guys up grin owned

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personally...i don't like the look of them that much. puke

to me, thats a disgrace to put the name new orleans on them lol
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Originally Posted by carbon_blue_gt
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
I'm gonna look into the new lights that come with the action package whenever I get to see them grin


Yeah, i was just reading about that... they sounds awesome. I can't wait to see the whole kit.


ditto. painted thumbsup
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yeah...but if there was a voodoo headlight..that would be it...looks new orleanish puke

odd fact of the day : 1 of 13 people practice voodoo here...wtf?? i havnt seen any... anyway.
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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
personally...i don't like the look of them that much. puke

to me, thats a disgrace to put the name new orleans on them lol


Ouch! Puke and all. And a disgrace to New Orleans, too. Sorry to disgrace New Orleans, the simmering cauldron heat and stupidity. rofl
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slidr Dec 23, 6:42am - #71985 

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Originally Posted by carbon_blue_gt
Originally Posted by XxMerlinxX
Eh, I'm not gonna nit pick about legalities (cause technically it wouldn't be illegal to copy them), but I'd rather find another way to to it. I was just wondering how much those were. $2000 is insane though. He definitely needs to bring the price down because they can't be that entricate. It's a damn headlight afterall. He's working with fiberglass, not titanium. My .02 cents.


Wouldn't it be copyright infringement? And as for the complication of the construction... have you ever taken the time to really think through the porcess of building a fiberglass headlight housing that 1. must perfectly fit the car, and bolt into the same holes as the original; and 2. be shaped properly to fit the back-spacing of the headlights; and 3. properly aim the bulbs; 4. be completely water-proof at every seal; and 5. be strong enough to stand up to the rigors of bouncing over shitty roads; 6. and finally, have a smooth enough surface to provide a good finish once painted.

Trust me, working with fiberglass is no picnic. I have done enough of it myself, as I am in the process of developing my own bodykit, spoiler, and a custom speaker box to fill the area of my removed backseat. I think that for all of the work, planning, and fabrication that Tater is doing with each set of headlights that he builds, and the desire to make a little money (and i doubt his profit margin is very high, if you deduct the time that he spends on each set), $2000 is not too incredibly high. Take some time, and price out a set of stock headlights at the dealer. I will call my dealer, and get the price, and I'll post it in a few minutes.
I don't know a lot about copyright laws, but I don't think it would be illegal to copy them, especially if he does not have a patent on the product. I'd have to look into it further though.

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OK, illegal or not, it's still f'ed up to steal someone's hard work! Anyone who would actually consider doing this should be ashamed of themselves. Now, if someone wanted to be industrious and build their own design, great. I'm sure that there are plenty of people on here that would be VERY happy to help and offer advice. Before any of you think about doing this... stop and put yourself in Tater's position. How would you feel if you had originally come up with the idea to market these light, then someone comes along and uses your own work to make copies of and undercut you. Fact of the matter is, it's wrong. Don't do it, even if it may not be illegal, have a little bit of respect for your fellow man.

Thanks, that's my stance on the issue.

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Originally Posted by Tater
Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
personally...i don't like the look of them that much. puke

to me, thats a disgrace to put the name new orleans on them lol


Ouch! Puke and all. And a disgrace to New Orleans, too. Sorry to disgrace New Orleans, the simmering cauldron heat and stupidity. rofl


true that...moving to houston someday! gonna say bye bye...but where in in the n.o. do you live?
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I don't know a lot about copyright laws, but I don't think it would be illegal to copy them, especially if he does not have a patent on the product. I'd have to look into it further though.


Copyright laws do not apply to items such as headlights but design and utility patent laws do.

It would be great to see someone produce a quality alternative to this style of light and at a price that the casual customizer could afford. Here is an idea: Everyone that wants an affordable alternative send an e-mail to TYC sales and marketing dept asking them to produce a headlight with dual projectors. Their e-mail address is salesmarketing@genera.com . Also include a link to a picture of the DP headlight so they will see that everyone is interested in the same thing. If they get enough requests, they just may produce something interesting.
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Feston Dec 25, 5:27am - #71989 
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Hahahahhahaah WTF!!!!!!!!! You Guys writing stories, LMAO.
If I knew how to make em and have all the tools I wouldn't even post this shiat that I wrote, but this was my F*** Idea/Opinion and I thought I could share it with you guys so i can get the final answer not just from my self but from all of you, and you don't have to be so cocky about it. Those Celica HeadLights were build before Orleans build his so you see, chain is long. yes it is hard to art something for very first time and if you only do one than you should sel it expensive, but when he has all the tools how to make 20 or 30 more for a month why does he have to sell em $2000 Damnnnnnnnnnnnn eek if we were rich we would com in dis site and post messages all day for new ideas we would just buy em even if they were 10000 G's but the point is that some of us have to work 1 to 1 and a half month so we can make enough money to buy those lights Im talking about of we sleep in a garbage can, but a lot of you ppl are like me, we pay rent, water, electricity, money for food etc... in less youre living with ur mom still tongue. So yeh i don't know laws and i don't know whats legal or illegal thats why i posted this TOPIC, but thank you boys/girls for all ur Help... grin
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Feston Dec 25, 5:30am - #71990 
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Can some one delete this topic PLSSSS, before every one start getting coky with eachother, this was only an idea I didn't make the replica fo real, lol does dat ring ur ball! eek
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Originally Posted by Feston
Hahahahhahaah WTF!!!!!!!!! You Guys writing stories, LMAO.
If I knew how to make em and have all the tools I wouldn't even post this shiat that I wrote, but this was my F*** Idea/Opinion and I thought I could share it with you guys so i can get the final answer not just from my self but from all of you, and you don't have to be so cocky about it. Those Celica HeadLights were build before Orleans build his so you see, chain is long. yes it is hard to art something for very first time and if you only do one than you should sel it expensive, but when he has all the tools how to make 20 or 30 more for a month why does he have to sell em $2000 Damnnnnnnnnnnnn eek if we were rich we would com in dis site and post messages all day for new ideas we would just buy em even if they were 10000 G's but the point is that some of us have to work 1 to 1 and a half month so we can make enough money to buy those lights Im talking about of we sleep in a garbage can, but a lot of you ppl are like me, we pay rent, water, electricity, money for food etc... in less youre living with ur mom still tongue. So yeh i don't know laws and i don't know whats legal or illegal thats why i posted this TOPIC, but thank you boys/girls for all ur Help... grin


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Originally Posted by Feston

Can some one delete this topic PLSSSS, before every one start getting coky with eachother, this was only an idea I didn't make the replica fo real, lol does dat ring ur ball! eek


I sure hope they dont delete this thread. This one is an all time classic eligible for induction into the E-Celica Hall of Fame for ill-conceived ideas. Anyway, I have a cashed copy just in case I need to show it to you someday. smile
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weird...pretty cool though..

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Feston Dec 25, 8:39am - #71994 
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Thr lightning picture is pretty cool but not your art though, you stole it from some one else dat took em to computer design it 4 or 5 hours so you see dats massed up, but i don't see that it said in da picta copy right laws 1994 to 2005 same in the celica head light picta i didn't see nothing about copy rights, so i made the topic.
I like that dudes idea that he said if we make a list of 20 ppl that realy want them bad and buy them he may sell em for less, great job man, see i never thought of dat. And all you *** ****** out dea that are against me **** ** ****** ******* **** got dat... angry
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Feston Dec 25, 8:43am - #71995 
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And you with daa lightning pictu you don't understand my writing couse you Speak da hillbily Langauge, i can just imagine LMAO cryhahahahahh Phewww...
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Feston Dec 25, 8:50am - #71996 
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how do you keep ppl busy, write a dumb ass topic, lol

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