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Grand-Touring-Dan
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Grand-Touring-Dan Dec 6, 10:24pm - #65750 
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ATTN: Important Topic: Changing Lift on VVTLi

Quoted by Monkeywrench:

Using the PFC, we fully tuned the 2ZZ in using ONLY the small cam, then ONLY the large. Then we overlaid the graphs. Drum roll please... the crossover occurred at about 6300 RPM. We got our best results during tuning the switchover by changing over at 6000 or slightly after because of the time the VVTi actuator takes to react.

See results at:

http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_celica_gts.html

Why did we do this? To get people to FINALLY stop requesting a way to change over to the large cam earlier. You'll lose power, and here is the proof. We successfully did change the VVL point with the stock ECU over a year ago, the results were poor though. The reason is that the big cam dosen't offer an advantage until after 6000 RPM. Plus, if you're using the stock ECU, you can't get tune the VVL to work with the earlier VVT.

With the addition of a turbo this changes. More on that later

Note: Honda switches to the large cam profile later than optimal for whatever reason, which is why VTEC controllers help those engines. Toyota did not make the same choice in their tuning.
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BHayes____ZZT231 Dec 7, 12:59am - #65751 

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So its best to leave the VVTL-i alone, You'll lose horsepower? huh who woulda thunk it

Is this bad news for all the people who want the second cam lobes to engage quicker? cry

Good Info thumbsup thumbsup...kinda

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celicaTRDgts Dec 7, 1:00am - #65752 

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yea good info...kinda ha thumbsup

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spaztikid Dec 7, 1:48am - #65753 
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Originally Posted by BHayes____ZZT231
So its best to leave the VVTL-i alone, You'll lose horsepower? huh who woulda thunk it

Is this bad news for all the people who want the second cam lobes to engage quicker? cry

Good Info thumbsup thumbsup...kinda


this is good news...now there is a definate answer and people know that there wont be any need to change the lift points.
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Grand-Touring-Dan Dec 8, 1:41am - #65754 
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