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kewlrule
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kewlrule Sep 26, 4:26am - #48277 
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hopeless racer?

Well, after reading enough "auto sux" posts, I'm wondering if any or all the performance mods I'm making are worth it. Not to get into another auto vs. manual debate, I thought maybe the mods I'm making would at least make my car fun if not beating anyone in a race.

Here are the mods I've made/making: TSRM, AEM CAI, AEM pulley have all been made. Near future...Hotshot header, torque converter.

All for not? hmmmmmmmmmmmm. confused
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spaztikid Sep 26, 4:29am - #48278 
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keep on modding thumbsup
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RacerX225 Sep 26, 4:29am - #48279 
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Originally Posted by kewlrule
Well, after reading enough "auto sux" posts, I'm wondering if any or all the performance mods I'm making are worth it. Not to get into another auto vs. manual debate, I thought maybe the mods I'm making would at least make my car fun if not beating anyone in a race.

Here are the mods I've made/making: TSRM, AEM CAI, AEM pulley have all been made. Near future...Hotshot header, torque converter.

All for not? hmmmmmmmmmmmm. confused


IMO I think all for nothing, Manual is faster.

But I guess it would still be fun? confused

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save up for a stick conversion...

stick + mods - money for conversion > auto+mods

you wont really get anywhere with an auto. but if thats fun for you then go for it. thumbsup
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Grand-Touring-Dan Sep 26, 7:10am - #48281 
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Originally Posted by Shinobi
save up for a stick conversion...

stick + mods - money for conversion > auto+mods

you wont really get anywhere with an auto. but if thats fun for you then go for it. thumbsup


Don;t listen to that. Thats an amateur remark.

You ever wonder why TA's and Z28's come in autos? All about traction. Manuals can have a hard time with traction if they are puching a lot of power. A torque convertor would be a great mod for races fromt the line. The header (without the converotr) would be good for races from a roll. If you turbo the car or put some Nitrous on it, that would also be useful. There are many different routes to take in modding a car. It all depends on your setup and what you want. Catch my drift? You can do whatever you want, don't let a few internet remarks get you down.

Dan
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tru_Asiatik_Pride Sep 26, 8:11am - #48282 

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Originally Posted by spaztikid
keep on modding thumbsup

yup have an auto(gts tongue ,i know iknow) but i love my car and no one can take that from me iam all about modding it mostly for show and a lil go.. yah it might be slow but definently not the slowest thumbsup non of these post about how the auto gts sux will ever make me regret buying an auto just my 2cents any ways yah keep on modding!!!!! thumbsup

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IcEd blUe
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IcEd blUe Sep 26, 10:38am - #48283 

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make it a show car!!
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DiabloGTS Sep 26, 12:46pm - #48284 

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Originally Posted by Grand-Touring-Dan
Originally Posted by Shinobi
save up for a stick conversion...

stick + mods - money for conversion > auto+mods

you wont really get anywhere with an auto. but if thats fun for you then go for it. thumbsup


Don;t listen to that. Thats an amateur remark.

You ever wonder why TA's and Z28's come in autos? All about traction. Manuals can have a hard time with traction if they are puching a lot of power. A torque convertor would be a great mod for races fromt the line. The header (without the converotr) would be good for races from a roll. If you turbo the car or put some Nitrous on it, that would also be useful. There are many different routes to take in modding a car. It all depends on your setup and what you want. Catch my drift? You can do whatever you want, don't let a few internet remarks get you down.

Dan


Also, the shift pattern of an automatic is really limiting the performance!

In those cars you mentioned, power and torque are in abundance, so the shift pattern doesn't really matter in a 1/4 mile race.

In a celica however, the automatic pattern really isn't geared towards racing, it's geared towards fuel economy. In an automatic celica, GT or GTS, you will not beat much anything in the 1/4, unless it is also an auto.

Besides, automatics have horrible 0-60 times...gotta love those torque converters. rice

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BakerGT Sep 26, 7:09pm - #48285 

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i love my manual...more fun to drive in my opinion!
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redracer311 Sep 26, 7:17pm - #48286 
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My last celica was an auto and I still liked it. The torque converter will help a lot. I would get that before the header personaly. But every mod you do still makes your car faster than it was. And with all the mods you mentioned you will beat a gt 5spd (maybe not off the line but you'll catch up pretty quick) an auto gt (duh) and any other auto gts. Do don't let any naysayers get you down.
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redracer311 Sep 26, 7:31pm - #48287 
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I also wanted to mention that I think a jet chip would help, and before anyone trys to say that they are crap I will tell you that I have two ecu's for my car. One with a jet chip and one without. I have swapped several times and have also let a few friends drive my car with both and everyone agrees that it gives me noticible low end for my car. I will dyno it before too long to get exact numbers but also I hear for autos that it changes the shift points. Give them a call and ask.
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ct Sep 26, 7:37pm - #48288 

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by spaztikid
keep on modding thumbsup

yup have an auto(gts tongue ,i know iknow) but i love my car and no one can take that from me iam all about modding it mostly for show and a lil go.. yah it might be slow but definently not the slowest thumbsup non of these post about how the auto gts sux will ever make me regret buying an auto just my 2cents any ways yah keep on modding!!!!! thumbsup



i agree! thumbsup i have the slowest class of celi the auto GT! and i'm loving the ride. if you want to race then auto is not your thing...but my GT is fun to drive and putting mods in it heightens the experience. grin thumbsup

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yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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kewlrule Sep 26, 8:17pm - #48289 
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Thanks for the support guys/gals(?). I'm having fun making my celi faster even if not fast enough in some ppls opinion.

I know I will need to drop my tranny to pull the converter to get machined at level10 (for $500). Question is does anyone know a ballpark that it costs to remove the trans, remove and reinstall the torque converter? cool
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redracer311 Sep 26, 8:21pm - #48290 
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I just know that It's not real cheap but it does kinda depend on what area you live it. Call a few shops and let them know what they have to do and they can give you an estimate. Get several though, I have saved hundreds by not going to the first shop that quoted me a price.
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kewlrule Sep 26, 8:40pm - #48291 
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Just talked to a couple of local trans shops and each quoted right at $400 to R&R the converter. But last guy recommended I consider a shift kit also to get "everything in tune together". Is this right and does anyone even make a shift kit for an '01 celi? Haven't heard of any.
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IcEd blUe Sep 26, 8:50pm - #48292 

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hey kewlrule heres a good example for you

on this site some of the most modded cars belong to tony,isaac,and wil (phatcelygt) and they all have automatic gt's
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Elec-FuYu Sep 26, 8:57pm - #48293 
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fastceli2001 Sep 27, 1:00am - #48294 

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Originally Posted by redracer311
My last celica was an auto and I still liked it. The torque converter will help a lot. I would get that before the header personaly. But every mod you do still makes your car faster than it was. And with all the mods you mentioned you will beat a gt 5spd (maybe not off the line but you'll catch up pretty quick) an auto gt (duh) and any other auto gts. Do don't let any naysayers get you down.
no he wont. so far ive beaten two auto gts with my man gt

a kid told me that celicas handle like crap... i laughed
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redracer311 Sep 28, 4:19am - #48295 
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Out of the ones you raced did either of them have a torque converter? Or all the other mods listed? I'm definetly not saying that an auto will beat a gt off the line but the torque converter will definetly make a difference. So I think you two need to race and then post the results.
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kewlrule Sep 28, 4:35am - #48296 
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I'm working on getting the torque converter now...if the guy accepts my offer. wink

Then I'M IN!!! grin
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Rich99GT Oct 7, 7:39pm - #48297 

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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by Grand-Touring-Dan
Originally Posted by Shinobi
save up for a stick conversion...

stick + mods - money for conversion > auto+mods

you wont really get anywhere with an auto. but if thats fun for you then go for it. thumbsup


Don;t listen to that. Thats an amateur remark.

You ever wonder why TA's and Z28's come in autos? All about traction. Manuals can have a hard time with traction if they are puching a lot of power. A torque convertor would be a great mod for races fromt the line. The header (without the converotr) would be good for races from a roll. If you turbo the car or put some Nitrous on it, that would also be useful. There are many different routes to take in modding a car. It all depends on your setup and what you want. Catch my drift? You can do whatever you want, don't let a few internet remarks get you down.

Dan


Also, the shift pattern of an automatic is really limiting the performance!

In those cars you mentioned, power and torque are in abundance, so the shift pattern doesn't really matter in a 1/4 mile race.

In a celica however, the automatic pattern really isn't geared towards racing, it's geared towards fuel economy. In an automatic celica, GT or GTS, you will not beat much anything in the 1/4, unless it is also an auto.

Besides, automatics have horrible 0-60 times...gotta love those torque converters. rice


shift points dont matter? so what happens when there is a short shift?

the f-body's auto are strong autos. An auto ls1 will hang right with a 6spd ls1 in the quarter. The ls1's put down 300+rwhp and usually run mid to low 13's at ~106mph.

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