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hs2g Apr 19, 3:50am - #445624 
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Things to do before turbo?

I was wondering what are the things I should do before putting a turbo on the GTS?

I know I have to do a commpression check but what else is there to check for before putting a turbo on?
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barefoott4 Apr 19, 3:53am - #445625 
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I don't mean to flame or be mean, but in all honesty if you don't know how to check the status of your engine, you should NOT be thinking about messing with forced induction.
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trikdcelica Apr 19, 4:10am - #445626 

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there's a lot you could do. i think monkeywrechracing has a lot of the mods that you can do.
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trikdcelica Apr 19, 4:18am - #445627 

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here you go.
for engine go with
Intake, Header, Exhuast(or you don't even need the exhuast), Pulleys, cams,(they don't have camgears out yet only the cam shafts), Power FC ecu, MWR big bore kit, connecting rods, stud kit, valve, springs, and retainers, port and polish, 3point (or 5 point) angle valve job i porbably forgot somethings

you also going to need
A better clutch
A lightweight Flywheel
LSD to help get the power to the ground
Lightweight Rims
and Drag radials
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hs2g Apr 19, 4:26am - #445629 
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Hey thanks for all those advice but i'm not going real big. Just boosting at around 6-8 PSI for daily driving. A lightweight flywheel is not nesasary for a turbo. And I know I need a new clutch to handle the added TQ that the turbo is going to give out. I just want to know what else to check for like head gaskets, commpression on every cylinder, etc. I heard that 220PSI is perfect and low is like 170 PSI. Is it good to turbo if lets say its at 200PSI.

BTW Trikdcelica I don't think Header is nesasary since its going to be replace by the exhaust manifold, but thanks for trying to help.
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hs2g Apr 19, 5:20am - #445630 
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Originally Posted by barefoott4
I don't mean to flame or be mean, but in all honesty if you don't know how to check the status of your engine, you should NOT be thinking about messing with forced induction.


I know your not trying to flame me or whatever, but if you don't know the answer to my question please don't post any imputs. I'm asking so I can listen to other people who know and learn myself. Thats where everyone starts, learning from everyone else. How can you tell me not to put something on my car if I don;t know how to maintain it? Instead why not tell me what to look for and how to look for it so I can learn I imporove my car.

So again if you don't know, please don't add any inputs to my thread. And for everyone who knows please help me out so I can learn to maintain my engine and turbo. If no one teaches anyone then we will all be in the same level. How fun would that be.
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beano457 Apr 19, 5:45am - #445631 
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Originally Posted by hs2g
Originally Posted by barefoott4
I don't mean to flame or be mean, but in all honesty if you don't know how to check the status of your engine, you should NOT be thinking about messing with forced induction.


I know your not trying to flame me or whatever, but if you don't know the answer to my question please don't post any imputs. I'm asking so I can listen to other people who know and learn myself. Thats where everyone starts, learning from everyone else. How can you tell me not to put something on my car if I don;t know how to maintain it? Instead why not tell me what to look for and how to look for it so I can learn I imporove my car.

So again if you don't know, please don't add any inputs to my thread. And for everyone who knows please help me out so I can learn to maintain my engine and turbo. If no one teaches anyone then we will all be in the same level. How fun would that be.
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beano457 Apr 19, 5:51am - #445632 
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you might wanna check out the "other site"...they have lots of info regarding f/i
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GT2111 Apr 19, 1:33pm - #445633 
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Aight here... All this info is Great If your looking to spend 10k... and Boost at like 15psi...

To run a turbo safely on a stock clica motor(which is fine to due if you keep the PSI low) all you'll need is

Boost Controller
EGT and Boost Gauges
Need Clutch

(Also an Exhuast is a GREAT thing due to it opens up your whole system and allows for more back pessure to help the turbo spool quicker...)

I mean the upgades avaliable once you have a turbo are plentiful.
I mean yes you can get a "Lighten Flywheel" but its not a nessesary.
You can also Cross off the Intake and header due to you will be replacing both of those things when you get your kit or when you turbo...

I mean trikcelica mentioned good things only those are the sorts of things that you'd need if your planning on putting out HUGE amounts of Boost and HUGE HP gains... But it will also cost you...


Also the LSD isnt required unless again you start to push a lot of power... And Pulley's - ya... not even worth your money...


Another thing... If ou don't know a lot of your motor don't go pulling shit off 'Checking it" there is no need to 'Check your Compression" I can get you right now what it is... Don't touch your motor unless your serious about puttin money inbto it... and LOWERING your compression not checking it... Leave head gaskets alone unless agian you plan on building a motor than you must upgrade...

Its safe to run 6-7psi on stock motor bu for a GTS i'd stay even lower just due to the stock compression is so high...Keep it arond 5-6psi and even with that you should be able to "beat" most "Ricers" around you...


This is what I would do if I were you..
Get the kit
Get a need clutch along with Boost controller and Gaugues... Run the turbo for awhile and see if your satified with the power... if your not THAN go back and build your motor..

Really if your looking for a quick and fairly ez build Buy some Lower Compression pistons and Crower Rods... maybe get yours-self Cams when TPR releases them and a new head gasket... that should be fine for awhile than repeat the process... Run the car and see if your satified with the out-put and if your not than pull out yoour engine and make it into a monster like (Smaay did on the other site)

here is my .02 hope this helps...


Alos the search button is your best freind. I've written about this topic many many times
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hs2g Apr 19, 2:48pm - #445634 
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I was talking about checking each cylinder to see if they are in good shape. Not the A/F compression.
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GT2111 Apr 19, 4:04pm - #445635 
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^^^ nah don't even worry about doing that... You'll find out when you turbo hahah.. Why worry about it if its not a problem a yet...
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midblucel Apr 19, 4:21pm - #445636 
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flyimages Apr 19, 4:27pm - #445637 

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Originally Posted by trikdcelica
here you go.
for engine go with
Intake, Header, Exhuast(or you don't even need the exhuast), Pulleys, cams,(they don't have camgears out yet only the cam shafts), Power FC ecu, MWR big bore kit, connecting rods, stud kit, valve, springs, and retainers, port and polish, 3point (or 5 point) angle valve job i porbably forgot somethings

you also going to need
A better clutch
A lightweight Flywheel
LSD to help get the power to the ground
Lightweight Rims
and Drag radials



ur not going to need the header!!

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GT2111 Apr 19, 4:41pm - #445638 
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Originally Posted by midblucel
hahahahhaha rofl rofl rofl rofl


Ok_ I don't know whats so funny but anyways... why to contribute to the thread... Im guessing your just post whoring considering you only have 69 posts at this time... Silly people spineyes spineyes spineyes


Originally Posted by flyimages
Originally Posted by trikdcelica

...Intake, Header...



ur not going to need the header!!



We also discussed this three times... hs2g corrected him already... and Also did I so I guess he is corrected 3 times spineyes spineyes


But also as I already stated... Intake willn't be needed also so don't waste your money
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wiredthief Apr 19, 7:48pm - #445639 

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Originally Posted by beano457
you might wanna check out the "other site"...they have lots of info regarding f/i


rofl rofl

What I need to get is a silver gt right? Then I can try and be fast...right?
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combatc87 Apr 19, 9:25pm - #445640 

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Originally Posted by GT2111

Intake willn't be needed also so don't waste your money


Well, yes and no. A normal CAI won't work, but you can get (or rather, make) and open element air Intake for the turbo, it just has to mate up to the compressor side of the turbo, not the TB.

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hs2g Apr 19, 10:21pm - #445641 
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Thanks for all the good inputs and advice everyone. I have been asking around the shops in my area and they say just make sure the motor is putting out good spark, no leaks, just the basic up to date stuff. I'm only running 6-8PSI so nothing big. Mostly 6 because its just street driving.
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GT2111 Apr 20, 1:18am - #445642 
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Originally Posted by combatc87
Originally Posted by GT2111
Intake willn't be needed also so don't waste your money


Well, yes and no. A normal CAI won't work, but you can get (or rather, make) and open element air intake for the turbo, it just has to mate up to the compressor side of the turbo, not the TB.


Yeah but... If he gets kit than the Intake will be included in the kit..

Also as far as CAI from what I've red (Correct me if Im wrong) you actually loosing potenal hp due to the Cold Air. Turbo's run hot and therefore need hot air to help them spool faster...

I may be wrong on that... I just remembered reading that
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^^Incorrect. Not all kits come with an Intake. C2's kit has an optional Apex'i conical Air Filter, but it's a 150 extra. Also, the turbo does not spool with hot air, it spools with fast moving exhaust gas. Air, when compressed, gets heated up, thus making the air thinner. The thinner the air, the less potential of power. If you can reduce the air temp, you get denser air. A CAI on a turbo will give you about twice as much power than N/A. So no, you won't lose any power.

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GT2111 Apr 20, 1:54am - #445644 
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^^^ Thank for correcting me.. I love learning new things!
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^^^
^^^ C2's GTS kit comes with the Apexi Filter so yes the Intake is included.

All you really need to run 6psi is:
2 stage colder plugs IK24
New Clutch
Thicker Oil (10w 40)
Boost Gauge
Some type of A/F gauge
Boost Controller (not really needed but a def. plus)
Tunning

And that is really it. The stage one kit is set up to run on the stock engine. You will get the Intake, headers, and everything else you can think of to install the turbo with there kit less what i stated above.

Def. do you research though on turbo systems and learn all you can before making the jump
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GT2111 Apr 20, 2:28am - #445646 
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This is a good post... Everyone is backing everyone else! GJ Celica!
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hs2g Apr 20, 6:08am - #445647 
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Ok here is the deal, i have a budget of 6000 cash in my hands as of right now. I was planning on putting together a custom turbo kit instead of getting the C2 kit. I would have a shop that is very well known to tuning cars and building engines put help me put together a turbo kit. I figure in the price range of $3000 give/take a hundred or two. Install $1000, New clutch and exhaust $1000. Then I will have the extra 1000 on shit that might happen to come up.

What do you guys think? Prices are accurate. The C2 gas is probably worth about 3000 or less without them making profit correct? (not trying to say anything bad)
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^^^ Don't know everyone that ever heard of making a custom turbo is spending way more then that.

Good luck with whatever route you take thumbsup

My kit should be totally installed by tomorrow night grin thumbsup
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hs2g Apr 20, 12:56pm - #445649 
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How much together did you spend on your kit Jamey? With all the extras plus maybe 1000 for install.
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GT2111 Apr 20, 1:01pm - #445650 
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He has the C2 kit so Im guessing everything was around 5000 when finished
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Uhm i got the kit for $3600 plus 280 shipping...So say 4k Uhm Clutch was $300, Turbo Timer $80, Profec E-01 EBC $500, Redline Oil, Trany Oil, Spark plugs, misc. Fluids $200. So i am about at $5200 or so

Install cost is free since i am doing it. Tunning once said and done $350 or so.

So all in all probably gonna be around 6k eek eek Now damn you why did you make me total it up. I was fine and dandy before now. That is a lot of money grin
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they said 350 for shipping...damn, i have to ask them about that...and did you get the bigger ic?? Do you need new clutch for stage 1? thanks
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hs2g Apr 20, 10:21pm - #445653 
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You will need a new clutch for stage 1.
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trikdcelica Apr 20, 10:59pm - #445654 

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my bad guys i thought he asked what he could do... not what he should do. hey guys don't kill me here. i just cut and pasted that stuff from another post that i saw. that's why it looked familiar qtrmlr_1. you don't have to have any of that, that i pasted. he justthought he asked what he could do before he got a turbo and i pasted things he could do. i didn't say everything would increase hp. everybody knows that the headers out right now don't really increase hp. so it would kinda be a waste...true. you don't have to a have a different flywheel, but if your changing the clutch you might as well. thats some weight loss if your that serious.
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hs2g Apr 20, 11:06pm - #445655 
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You won't need a header period. The header get replaced by the exhaust manifold. It doesn't matter if it increases HP or not, you can't have a header and have a turbo. The stock header is going to be replaced with an exhaust manifold not header.
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GT2111 Apr 21, 1:18am - #445656 
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well dont ever copy and paste than cause everyting you pasted is wrong... hahah silly boy

And Headers do increase HP but we are talkin about a turbo MANIFOLD... The headers = Manifold... Anyways Im thinkin everyone else understands... Just helping you understand trikcelica
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damn, shouldn't have sold my clutch and flywheel angry
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trikdcelica Apr 21, 2:37am - #445658 

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sorry guys. wasn't putting 2 and 2 together. slap yeah, i'll let somebody else copy and paste from now on. that won't be a problem. just tryin to help, even if it didn't.
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barefoott4 Apr 21, 2:49am - #445659 
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You could help out everyone's eyes by painting your body kit, assuming that is your car in your profile.
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So did you ever get that turbo on?
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