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vcel523 Mar 22, 1:35am - #422543 

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Blow Off Valve

Ok, I know they sound sweet, and that you need a turbo for it, but do they acutally serve a functional purpose?
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GTSbyTRD Mar 22, 2:21am - #422544 

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SCOTT03 Mar 22, 2:36am - #422545 
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i'm no turbo expert but i believe blow off valve is same thing as wastegate, i will stand corrected if i am wrong but read this.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo6.htm

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thE_laW Mar 22, 3:05am - #422546 

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^yes. wastegate recycles, atmospheric blow off valve dumps it (making the noise everyone creams their pants over), and there are hybrid ones that will recirculate some and discharge the rest.

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it is sort of like a wastegate... it lets off excess exhaust... that's what the 'pshhhhhhhhhhhhhh' is, lol. in n/a cars... you want back pressure... in turbo you want NO backpressure... that's why you get a 3'' exhaust. and the BOV lets off more excess exhaust

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Polykarb Mar 22, 3:48am - #422548 

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kills un-needed "waste pressure" from the turbine

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GT4 Mar 22, 6:14am - #422549 

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BOV is on Intake side. It has nothing to do with exhaust.
It vents out the air to prevent compressor surge due to the
throttle is slammed shut when you shift.

Bypass valve works the same way as BOV. The only different is
it recirculates the air back into the Intake (before the compressor wheel)
Bypass valve is common to car that come with AFM or MAF
(non-MAP type or non-speed density air measuring system)
This is to prevent venting metered air out.
If the metered air is vented out too much, the car will run too rich
and may stall.

On the other hand, wastegate lets the "exhaust" bypasses the turbine wheel.
The main purpose of the wastegate is "to limit boost"
So, the wastegate is more like boost controller than the BOV or BPV.

By the way, BOV, bypass valve and wastegate will not work on N/A car.

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shawnstam Mar 22, 6:41am - #422550 
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The bov release presure from the compressor when you let off the throttle. If the presure is held in the air presure can get to high and break the shaft connecting the compressor and the turbine, bov also helps get rid of turbo lag by letting the turbo freewheel in between shifts.
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GT4 Mar 22, 6:51am - #422551 

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Originally Posted by shawnstam
the air presure can get to high and break the shaft connecting the compressor and the turbine

Nah...Not that bad. It just shortens life of the turbo, but not breaking the shaft. The pressure will not get too high due to the throttle is shut and there is not enough air in to the cylinder, so there is no enough exhaust velocity to spin the turbine and compress more air in.

It's just the compressor surge at the wheel that is not good. When the wheel spins at 100,000 or more rpm, coming to hault instantly is not a good idea.

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SilverGT Mar 22, 6:55am - #422552 
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vcel523 Mar 22, 8:03am - #422553 

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Just out of curiosity, which is best: BOV, bypass valve, or wastegate?
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GT4 Mar 22, 8:29am - #422554 

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Originally Posted by vcel523

Just out of curiosity, which is best: BOV, bypass valve, or wastegate?

wtf
Read my post up there.
BOV and wastegate are two different things.
They do different jobs.
You cannot compare them.

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SCOTT03 Mar 22, 4:12pm - #422555 
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nice info gt4, i stand corrected. Just for clarification boost is limited at the wastegate correct?

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GT4 Mar 22, 4:59pm - #422556 

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Yup.. boost is limited at the wastegate.
It does that via the wastegate actuator.
If the boost pressure on the actuator diaphram exceeds
the wastegate spring setting, it open up the wastegate door and
let the exhaust gas bypasses the turbine.

Unlike the wastegate, BOV act on "vacuum"
If it senses the vacuum (due to throttle shuts),
it opens up and releases the compressed air out.

Let me add more info on aftermarket boost controller.
Aftermarket boost controller (manual or electronics one) allows
you to boost more than stock wastegate setting by manipulating
the boost pressure signal to the wastgate actuator.
The actuator will not sense the real boost pressure.
Hence, the wastegate door is kept shut longer and the turbo
builds up more boost.
(up until you hit the desired boost set by boost controller)

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SCOTT03 Mar 22, 7:02pm - #422557 
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very informative, thanks

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celicadragon Mar 23, 3:54pm - #422558 

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just a question: if the turbo car is in park and you rev the engine would you hear the blow off valve go off or does the car have to actually be moving? might sound dumb but ive never experienced a turbo car yet.

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GT4 Mar 23, 4:26pm - #422559 

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Originally Posted by celicadragon
just a question: if the turbo car is in park and you rev the engine would you hear the blow off valve go off or does the car have to actually be moving? might sound dumb but ive never experienced a turbo car yet.

Some yes, some no.
For example, on alltrac, I can let off BOV if I rev the engine high enough. But it'll not be as loud as when engine is under load and boost.

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celicadragon Mar 23, 6:25pm - #422560 

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thats cool i was just wondering i hope i can hear mine if i just wanted to show it off sometime

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drkramm Mar 23, 10:23pm - #422561 
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Originally Posted by sakara
it is sort of like a wastegate... it lets off excess exhaust... that's what the 'pshhhhhhhhhhhhhh' is, lol. in n/a cars... you want back pressure... in turbo you want NO backpressure... that's why you get a 3'' exhaust. and the BOV lets off more excess exhaust


eek not the backpressure demon again

only reason you can't do a 3 inch exhaust on are na 4cyls is because of heat the air in the exhaust will get too cold cold ai is denser there for flos slower a 2.25/2.5 exhaust will keep the temp up which means the exhaust is less dense and flos better...

what flows better thru a straw hot oil or cold oil

backpressure is a missunderstood read the exhaust post

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c2gas Mar 23, 11:09pm - #422562 

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VSGTS14 Mar 24, 12:24am - #422563 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by sakara
it is sort of like a wastegate... it lets off excess exhaust... that's what the 'pshhhhhhhhhhhhhh' is, lol. in n/a cars... you want back pressure... in turbo you want NO backpressure... that's why you get a 3'' exhaust. and the BOV lets off more excess exhaust


eek not the backpressure demon again

only reason you can't do a 3 inch exhaust on are na 4cyls is because of heat the air in the exhaust will get too cold cold ai is denser there for flos slower a 2.25/2.5 exhaust will keep the temp up which means the exhaust is less dense and flos better...

what flows better thru a straw hot oil or cold oil

backpressure is a missunderstood read the exhaust post


to add to that, even when you have a 3" exhaust with no cats on a turbo car, you will experience boost creep.

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and a BOV releases the pressure inside and is usually recycled
usually, 100% atmospheric BOV's will cause you too lose boost = loss of power
depending on the setup

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drkramm Mar 24, 12:04pm - #422565 
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
and a BOV releases the pressure inside and is usually recycled
usually, 100% atmospheric BOV's will cause you too lose boost = loss of power
depending on the setup


and will run rich when the bov goes (instead of the air the maf reads gonig in to the engine half of it goes out the bov)

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GT4 Mar 24, 5:22pm - #422566 

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Originally Posted by drkramm

and will run rich when the bov goes (instead of the air the maf reads gonig in to the engine half of it goes out the bov)

That's why AFM/MAF suck.
It's much better to change to speed density system.

Originally Posted by VSGTS14

to add to that, even when you have a 3" exhaust with no cats on a turbo car, you will experience boost creep.

Only true with some turbos with internal wastegate setup.
No problem with the external wastgate setup.

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B17GSR Mar 24, 8:20pm - #422567 
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lol my friend had MAD boost creep on his DSM. Good thing he had a gauge or he would not have realized he was running 28psi on all stock stuff
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Originally Posted by GT4
Originally Posted by drkramm
and will run rich when the bov goes (instead of the air the maf reads gonig in to the engine half of it goes out the bov)

That's why AFM/MAF suck.
It's much better to change to speed density system.

Originally Posted by VSGTS14
to add to that, even when you have a 3" exhaust with no cats on a turbo car, you will experience boost creep.

Only true with some turbos with internal wastegate setup.
No problem with the external wastgate setup.


exactly, in which you would want to port the wastegate on the internal setup
but that does not always fix the problem.

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