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Celica Motors #419468 Mar 17, 2:33pm Mar 17, 2:33pm
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hey i was wondering where or who to ask this question but then it hit me theres no better place to ask then here lol wink well i kno a lot about celicas but when it comes to the motor i kno very little frown so i was wondering what motors if any cud be swapped into a 7th gen GTS Celica?

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Re: Celica Motors [Re: Celica_GTS_1] #419469 Mar 17, 2:34pm Mar 17, 2:34pm
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if you have a 1zz (gt) you can swap the 2zz (gts) engine into it.

another 'common' swap is the 3sgte.

Re: Celica Motors [Re: Celica_GTS_1] #419470 Mar 17, 2:35pm Mar 17, 2:35pm
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dont swap out the motor the 2zz is a good motor


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: My Sixth Gear] #419471 Mar 17, 2:37pm Mar 17, 2:37pm
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^^ it is? spineyes coulda fooled me.

Re: Celica Motors [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #419472 Mar 17, 4:33pm Mar 17, 4:33pm
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yes it would cost way too much to swap in a 3sgte engine making it not worth it..


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: My Sixth Gear] #419473 Mar 17, 4:48pm Mar 17, 4:48pm
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Yeah, but the 3S-GTE engine is (arguably) the best engine ever made.


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419474 Mar 17, 4:56pm Mar 17, 4:56pm
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i'd say the 2jzgte is better spineyes


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: My Sixth Gear] #419475 Mar 17, 5:09pm Mar 17, 5:09pm
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yea id say the 2jz is the best motor made, still used in a few of the drag celicas thumbsup


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: celimangts17] #419476 Mar 17, 5:30pm Mar 17, 5:30pm
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2jz is awesome thumbsup thumbsup 3sgte is still worth the $$ though. i would take a 2jz over a 3sgte though..and i'd take a 3sgte ANYDAY over a 2zz

Re: Celica Motors [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #419477 Mar 17, 5:43pm Mar 17, 5:43pm
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how many ppl wouldnt even know what a 2jz was if it wasnt for the fast and the furious. i sure as hell wouldnt. rofl


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: thE_laW] #419478 Mar 17, 5:46pm Mar 17, 5:46pm
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lol i didnt even know they mentioned it in f&f. then again i didn't watch it for the lingo.

as much as i make fun of the movies..i know for a fact i'd see part 3. if for no other reason than it celebrates sport compacts..albeit in a ricer manner

Re: Celica Motors [Re: thE_laW] #419479 Mar 17, 5:47pm Mar 17, 5:47pm
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3stge. unless you have more money to mod the front end of your car to fit the 2JZ in. spineyes


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: Zero] #419480 Mar 17, 5:51pm Mar 17, 5:51pm
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i still say someone with loads of cash should drop a saleen s7 v8 onto the rear axle, use the s7 gears in they're rwd setup and see what that does rolleyes

Re: Celica Motors [Re: Zero] #419481 Mar 17, 6:00pm Mar 17, 6:00pm
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i had a post just last week about the same question. you seemed to get a lot more response from yours. i got to wonderin the same thing after seeing the post on powerful toyota motors. i never realized there were so many engines. if you haven't looked at that post, your missing out. i give props to that dude. there was so much info it was crazy. has anybody made any of those engine swaps described?

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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a 2JZ-GTE, but the 3S-GTE is used in some drag Supras because of the weight difference. If anything, try and drop the Toyota 2.7l I4 (from a 4Runner i think confused ). You'd get more displacement and if you built and turbo'ed you'd be set.


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419483 Mar 17, 6:27pm Mar 17, 6:27pm
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I think conducting a 1ZZ -> 2ZZ swap in our car is a waste. If anything, do the swap that combines the two into the 3ZZ. Or, go to http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com and buy one of their built motors for the Celica.

As far as the 3S-GTE is concerned, I do believe it is one of the best motors ever built by Toyota. I still think it falls behind the 2JZ-GTE. The 2JZ will handle almost 1000 HP before it shows signs of problems. That being said, I know of a popular Supra that is Gold in color that dropped the 2JZ in favor of the 3S-GTE motor, and it was still hella quick.


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: CRBN BLU] #419484 Mar 17, 6:32pm Mar 17, 6:32pm
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^^ haha would that be the top secret supra? gotta love top secret and all their gold-painted cars thumbsup thumbsup

the benefit of doing a 2zz swap on a 1zz is that it is practially a direct drop in. that's platinum in the toyota world where NOTHING ever drops in. (toyatas definately aren't hondas)

Re: Celica Motors [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #419485 Mar 17, 7:14pm Mar 17, 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
^^ haha would that be the top secret supra? gotta love top secret and all their gold-painted cars thumbsup thumbsup

the benefit of doing a 2zz swap on a 1zz is that it is practially a direct drop in. that's platinum in the toyota world where NOTHING ever drops in. (toyatas definately aren't hondas)

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Re: Celica Motors [Re: CRBN BLU] #419486 Mar 17, 8:02pm Mar 17, 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by CRBN BLU
I think conducting a 1ZZ -> 2ZZ swap in our car is a waste. If anything, do the swap that combines the two into the 3ZZ. Or, go to http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com and buy one of their built motors for the Celica.

the 3zz is not a combination of the 1zz and 2zz it is merely a 2zz that has been bored to a 2.0L and has a different crank but its not from a 1zz, the 3zz kit includes the Engine Crank, Connecting Rods, Pistons, Crank End Spacer Ring, Crank End Oil Seal, Front Spacer Washer, Metal Head Gasket. the compression was upped to 13:7:1; info on the 3zz here http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: My Sixth Gear] #419487 Mar 17, 8:54pm Mar 17, 8:54pm
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thx for the help, damn you guys helped me out a lot grin now i kno sum stuff bout celi motors hehehe but like what if i was to put say a xs- engineering supercharger on the stock motor, wud i be able to and if yes wud i have a lot of problems and im guessin it wud be a bad idea


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Originally Posted by Celica_GTS_1
thx for the help, damn you guys helped me out a lot grin now i kno sum stuff bout celi motors hehehe but like what if i was to put say a xs- engineering supercharger on the stock motor, wud i be able to and if yes wud i have a lot of problems and im guessin it wud be a bad idea

i wasnt aware XS made a s/c kit. i think they only make t/c kits. either way dont go XS, i havent heard anything good about them thumbsdown


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: celimangts17] #419489 Mar 18, 9:16am Mar 18, 9:16am
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Man unles you plan on runnin race gas in the 3zz with the 13:7:1, it aint worth all the money(at least no to me). So much compression, you need to run it with at least 110 octane fuel all the time


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: BlueGTS] #419490 Mar 18, 10:59am Mar 18, 10:59am
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XS does make a full turbo kit for the Celi, the 2jz that you see out in the pro dragsters were never a celica (they are built from the ground up) and the 3gste is the swap of choice of all of the celicas in the JGTC. And for those of you who don't know what the diffrent engines are then here is a very well put together article by our very own Admin Street Prototype >> https://www.celicahobby.com/ubbthreads/thread.f0_1870096276_0_collapsed_5__1.html#1870096276 [/color]


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^^ no one said that xs didnt make a complete turbocharger kit. it was pointed out that xs doesnt make a supercharger.

and it was put together by street prototype, who is a moderator (not admin) thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
^^ no one said that xs didnt make a complete turbocharger kit. it was pointed out that xs doesnt make a supercharger.

and it was put together by street prototype, who is a moderator (not admin) thumbsup

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Re: Celica Motors [Re: celimangts17] #419493 Mar 18, 1:16pm Mar 18, 1:16pm
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i'd say get a new car if you wanted to swap motors
i guess that car is too slow for you with all that shit on it rofl


im just joshin


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: VSGTS14] #419494 Mar 18, 1:49pm Mar 18, 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say get a new car if you wanted to swap motors
i guess that car is too slow for you with all that shit on it rofl


im just joshin

when did i say it was to slow? i was jus wonderin because im thinkin of addin a lot of performance within a year or 2 and i jus wanted sum knowledge in the celica motor area


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my next car will be a honda/acura or nissan. at least that way i should be able to swap something into it relatively easily.

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Isn't that Trial Celica also supercharged? I ask because the Trial Celica is in GT4 and is supercharged in the game.


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^^ yup it has the trial supercharger tasty


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: celimangts17] #419498 Mar 18, 8:06pm Mar 18, 8:06pm
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3sgte tongue grin hehehe.. it's not very expensive for a front clip from an all trac either wink little known fact abt celica engines... they are made by Yamaha spineyes


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Originally Posted by Celica_GTS_1
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say get a new car if you wanted to swap motors
i guess that car is too slow for you with all that shit on it rofl


im just joshin

when did i say it was to slow? i was jus wonderin because im thinkin of addin a lot of performance within a year or 2 and i jus wanted sum knowledge in the celica motor area


i'm sure it is slow anyway, a stock gts isn't that fast lol.
and good luck with the money you dump into it just for performance when your car is not suited for it.
i'm trying to give you a logical reasoning to what you may try to do


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: VSGTS14] #419500 Mar 19, 3:33pm Mar 19, 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
Originally Posted by Celica_GTS_1
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say get a new car if you wanted to swap motors
i guess that car is too slow for you with all that shit on it rofl


im just joshin

when did i say it was to slow? i was jus wonderin because im thinkin of addin a lot of performance within a year or 2 and i jus wanted sum knowledge in the celica motor area


i'm sure it is slow anyway, a stock gts isn't that fast lol.
and good luck with the money you dump into it just for performance when your car is not suited for it.
i'm trying to give you a logical reasoning to what you may try to do


well i dun see how my celica isnt suited for no performance i guess since it has a wide body? or im guessin the huge rims or even bunch of the custom stuff then i guess it isn't and i kno to a lot of people a stock gts wudnt seem "fast" but you shud consider that i am 16 and a new driver and you have had what like 2 years more driving experience then me? then obviously it might not seem fast to you but to me it has more then enuff speed i wud need and like i said earlier im trying to get more knowledge in the "celica motor area" so if you don't mind cud you not say stupid things like "i guess that car is too slow for you with all that shit on it" because thats jus pathetic thumbsdown


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ok rofl
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Re: Celica Motors [Re: VSGTS14] #419502 Mar 19, 6:06pm Mar 19, 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14

ok rofl
sorry, i've been acting up lately frown


its ok every1 has there moments
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Re: Celica Motors [Re: Celica_GTS_1] #419503 Mar 20, 11:57am Mar 20, 11:57am
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You're 16 and that is your first car? Damn, I wish my parents had that kind of money.


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419504 Mar 20, 2:50pm Mar 20, 2:50pm
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well ye it is my first car but not the car im gonna train how to drive off of


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No offence to Celica_GTS_1, but does anyone else think it's unfair for a 16 year old who doesn't even know how to drive to have that particular car?


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419506 Mar 20, 4:31pm Mar 20, 4:31pm
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i kno how to drive jus not the best yet but ye i guess its unfair for me to have that car, i mean ive seen pics and stuff of the celica a lot and i never thougth i wud own it but i shud of let sum1 else buy it and be happy


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the gts drives different and can be a hard car to learn to drive stick on


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: Celica_GTS_1] #419508 Mar 21, 2:09pm Mar 21, 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Celica_GTS_1
i kno how to drive jus not the best yet but ye i guess its unfair for me to have that car, i mean ive seen pics and stuff of the celica a lot and i never thougth i wud own it but i shud of let sum1 else buy it and be happy


In case I offended you at all, I'm sorry. I don't really like it when people buy a pre-built show or street car, because I feel everyone should mod and build their own car (at least their first car). That and I'm just super jealous.


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419509 Mar 21, 2:25pm Mar 21, 2:25pm
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why be jealous, Be happy the little tike has a celica. Some people gotta work for them, some are given to them.

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Originally Posted by sakara
3sgte tongue grin hehehe.. it's not very expensive for a front clip from an all trac either wink little known fact abt celica engines... they are made by Yamaha spineyes


You mean I own two Yamahas? Did'nt know that one!Good engines tho! spineyes thumbsup wave


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: zugzug12] #419511 Mar 21, 2:42pm Mar 21, 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by sakara

3sgte tongue grin hehehe.. it's not very expensive for a front clip from an all trac either wink little known fact abt celica engines... they are made by Yamaha spineyes




I think that the head was codesigned by yamaha, not the whole engine.

Re: Celica Motors [Re: spectraGTS] #419512 Mar 21, 3:31pm Mar 21, 3:31pm
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Found this page this morning, it might be of interest to some:

Taken from:
http://www.sportscarforums.com/archive/index.php/t-1819.html

"Click here (http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/GasolineEngines.html#A-series) This is THE most comprehensive index of Toyota gasoline engines on the internet.

engine wise, Toyota labels their engines by series, family and head design. For example, 4AGE means the engine is the 4th edition of the A series engine. The G is the head type (G is a sporty head with wider angle, F is an economy head with narrower angle), and E means it is fuel injected (non-fuel injected engines do not have a code after the head code - 4AG is the same engine but carburated).

It's actually read 4A-GE, since the engine series code can have two letters (ie. 1ZZ-FE, 2ZZ-FE, 2AZ-FE)."

Re: Celica Motors [Re: GTS2003BLK] #419513 Mar 21, 10:20pm Mar 21, 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by GTS2003BLK
It's actually read 4A-GE, since the engine series code can have two letters (ie. 1ZZ-FE, 2ZZ-FE, 2AZ-FE)."


Engine series code can have more than 2 letters.
T = Turbocharged
Z = Supercharged
For example: 3S-GTE, 1JZ-GTE, 2JZ-GTE, 7M-GTE, 4A-GZE, 22-RTE, ...


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: BlueGTS] #419514 Mar 22, 3:39pm Mar 22, 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by BlueGTS
Man unles you plan on runnin race gas in the 3zz with the 13:7:1, it aint worth all the money(at least no to me). So much compression, you need to run it with at least 110 octane fuel all the time


Actually, you'd be fine with 100 octane...

Besides, anything higher than 100 octane is NOT street legal, since higher octane levels will only appear in leaded fuel, which you can't run on the street anymore.

EDIT: actually, I think there are now a couple of sport compact formulations that have higer octane in unleaded formulas, but they only approach 108-109 octane. Either way, racing fuel is expensive.


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Yeah, isn't 100 octane like 4.00 per gallon?


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: combatc87] #419516 Mar 22, 7:51pm Mar 22, 7:51pm
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$5 a gallon here spineyes


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Re: Celica Motors [Re: sakara] #419517 Mar 24, 7:04pm Mar 24, 7:04pm
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How much does it cost to put in a 3SGTE into a 7th gen?

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