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Cisc0fusi0n Feb 22, 11:24pm - #406982 
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Celica Upgrades at Once

So I want to do all the upgrades on my celica at once with a new 2ZZ-GE engine that has been forged. This is what I want to do, what else would I need to do or am I missing?

Stage 4 Engine from monkeywrench racing
C2Racing Stage 2 Turbo Setup
C2Racing Transmission
New Clutch
DirectPort Nitrous



Also, I know there is a with the the nitrous to dynamically control the shot while driving. Is there a way to control how much boost your giving with the turbo on the fly? I plan on having a shop do all the install work, I just want to make sure I got all the parts and the best possible solution.

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silver Feb 22, 11:41pm - #406983 
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wtf

If you are seriously considering blowing nearly $20,000 on your engine, I would suggest that you go see a psychologist and/or your financial advisor first.

I think you're crazy.

Why exactly do you need all of those goodies anyway? I'd really like to know what you're intended purpose for the car is.
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Cisc0fusi0n Feb 23, 12:03am - #406984 
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Well simply put I want to have a bad ass Celica. If I run into money problems then I might reconsider it, but doing this over next winter or even this summer is a plan. I mean, I could go buy a stock 350Z or something else .. but I would much rather have a Celica that could take on a lot more. Then I will buy a RWD drive to play with.
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SeeULater Feb 23, 12:04am - #406985 
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Wow. Get a different car. I dont care how much you like your celica, but it will never be worth it!
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SLVCELI Feb 23, 12:21am - #406986 
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Originally Posted by SeeULater
Wow. Get a different car. I dont care how much you like your celica, but it will never be worth it!


Are you guys serious? The celica is my favorite car so I think that would be badass. Provided you dont want to exceed the limits of the engine but you can get a hell of a lot out of it. thumbsup

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CRBN BLU Feb 23, 12:26am - #406987 

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Personally, I love my Celica. But I don't think I'd ever put THAT much money into it. Sure, it would be bad ass, NO QUESTION! However, for that much money, I'd trade in my Celica for an Evo and mod the hell out of it. Factory turbocharged cars respond so much better to modifications. But I'm sure you'll get some serious attention from companies and magazines if you pull this off.

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hombredelassrtas Feb 23, 12:29am - #406988 

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they guy didnt want to know he was crazy, he justs wants to know what else he needs for his mod. its his car and his money so let the man be. anyone able to answer his question?

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6spdCeliGTS Feb 23, 12:42am - #406989 
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If you do all of that man, your celi is going to kick serious ass. Good luck thumbsup

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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 1:02am - #406990 

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^^ silver, people don't necessarilly have mental illness or lack of judgement to want to spend that much. Some people just have the money.

CiscOfusiOn, those are hardcore upgrades. Are you planning on building a race Celica capable of running the quarter in the 11's?

IMO, if you are going to spend that much money you shouldn't settle for anything less than 500 whp. You need a big turbo, and from what I have heard so far, I don't think the turbos C2Power uses can boost enough to make that power. The Stafford Fabrication turbos can boost enough for 500 whp I believe, but you may have trouble acquiring one in the near future. You can always of course get a custom turbo kit made.

I also noticed you have a 2002 GTS. That is good. You can use the PowerFC. C2Power turbo kits come with the e-manage, however there is one person in Europe on that other Celica site using a PowerFC with his C2Power turbo.

Yes, there is a way to control nitrous dynamically, and that is with a progressive nitrous controller. The best nitrous brand, NX, also has the best progressive nitrous controller on the market, the NX Maximizer. Yes, NX does have a direct port kit. You will of course need the nozzles installed into your Intake manifold runners.

NX Maximizer:
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/Maximizer.htm

NX 4 cylinder Direct Port Kit:
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/80004EFI.htm

I assume you will use nitrous to spool your turbo, gradually tapering off, and have it off during full boost. This may be more power than you can put to the ground even with electronic boost control to be discussed later in brief. Of course a lot of power is possible with drag slicks and a custom race suspension setup. That is another area of development you may want to look into. You may find it a waste of money and effort to use nitrous in addition to your turbo. You may not save that much time down the quarter even if it does help. But if you have the money to do the other things you listed, you may not mind trying it out.

I don't know what you mean exactly by controlling the amount of boost on the fly. Do you mean with a switch or button as you are driving? You can have a switch rigged to change between high boost or low boost depending on whether you are driving on the street or racing with high octane fuel on the track. But that is a primitive setup. For your all-out turbo setup, you want to adjust boost dynamically via software. There is such a thing as electronic boost control in which you can set parameters of rpm, gear, time etc and specify how much boost is running within those parameters. The Hydra EMS looks like it may well come out, just when is the question. I would use that with your turbo due to its tons of sophisticated features and built-in boost control. anti-lag control is a key feature. If it comes out and works, it will own the PowerFC a thousand times over. I mention this product because I assume you don't want anything less than the best.

Hydra EMS:
http://www.hydraems.com/ems-index.html

If you don't use the Hydra EMS when it comes out (or don't wait for it), you will need to use an electronic boost controller in addition to your ecu, standalone (PowerFC) or piggyback (e-manage, split-second). You can use the Apexi AVC-R with the Apexi PowerFC. You should use the GReddy profec e-01 with the GReddy e-manage. Of course other combos are possible, but I'd stay within one brand if the components work together. Product descriptions of Apexi or GReddy ecus or boost controllers can be found on http://monkeywrenchracing.com/toyota.html as I'm sure you already know.

And finally, if you run in the 11's you'll need a helmet and a roll cage. You'll need to gut your car to a certain extent to fit a full roll cage. Trust me, I had to do that to fit the "halo" flush to the roof, and the sidebars flush to the doors.

Well, I think I may have answered the questions you asked.

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Lucky_317 Feb 23, 1:19am - #406991 

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yeah, with all that work the little C2 turbo that comes with his kits simply wont do.

also I hope you realize you're going to spend $25-25K

you'll want the power fc like QTR said. I'd suggest something like the Garrett G35R which has a nice 4" inlet and is good for 600 whp.
you'll want larger injectors and a larger fuel pump as well.

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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 1:32am - #406992 

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you'll want gauges too. boost, oil pressure, fuel pressure, EGT, water temp, A/F ratio, etc. may as well get all. use a wideband O2 sensor w/ controller for the A/F ratio gauge.

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hombredelassrtas Feb 23, 1:32am - #406993 

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here comes mike and lucky to the rescue smile good info guys.

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cr4sh Feb 23, 2:34am - #406994 
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you do what you want to do...its your money...not ours
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TRDOTC Feb 23, 2:53am - #406995 

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with the GT28RS, that is all you need for the turbo and it spools quick so you don't need the nitrous. also, 500-600 hp/whp is too much for a 1.8L engine. It wouldn't last as long as you would like and would be unstable. I am planning on the C2Power Turbo Stage 2 + Tranny upgrade and at 21psi you will be running around 400-410 hp (340-360whp..this is for the GT). You can go higher than this of course but Gas has tested up to this point. This is really fast for a light car like ours and you have to watch out because the front can pull away from you. This is enough power in this car to be stable man so this is what i plan on doing and i am in the beginning stages now (planning everything out, getting ready to buy). It won't cost you $25k but it will be in the high teens if you don't have any discounts. But i just noticed you will be getting a different engine from monkeywrenching?? or is that what it is called with the weisco pistons, crower billet rods, gasket seal, valve, valve springs? Get the bolts for the manifold and the engine from monkeywrenching.com as well because that will keep it safe as well. Good luck! and remember, spending this much money means you want to keep your car safe and not blow it up lol.
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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 7:13am - #406996 

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of course one wouldn't run 500 whp on the street, just occasional track use for a true "badass" Celica.

here's how I see it. if you just want power on the street, 260 whp is plenty. He won't have to get a built 2ZZ-GE to handle the boost. If he is going to go through the effort and expense of getting a built motor put in, he may as well get a turbo that can handle a significantly larger amount of boost of say 500 whp. It doesn't make sense to limit himself to just 340 whp. He can however run 340 whp if he so chooses, but 500 whp would be available to dominate on the track. everything required at the 500 whp level is required at the 340 whp level such as the c2power tranny. the difference is the turbo. it just makes sense to me to maximize the return. if set up just right, tuned and maintained, 1.8 L cars can run 500 whp and up at the track with no problem. if done wrong, you can ruin your motor at 340 whp just as easily as at 500 whp. do realize that spooling with a smaller turbo is not an issue since if he just wants a street rocket, 260 whp is plenty. He wants "badass". Do it completely or don't do it at all.

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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 7:19am - #406997 

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CiscOfusiOn, throw in an alcohol/water injection setup regardless of what turbo you get. it's an extra measure of safety. and it's extremely cheap compared to all of the other components you will be buying.

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Cisc0fusi0n Feb 23, 2:00pm - #406998 
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Thanks for the info guys, if you think of anymore let me know. I want this to all happen this summer. I actually did go look for an evo last weekend, but the mitsu dealer sold there last one a cple wks ago. They have a evo 8 arriving in three wks though. Trust me, I will get another car to play with also. But I want my extremely modified fun car.

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celicatuner Feb 23, 7:07pm - #406999 
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wrx sti is much better looking and faster than an evo. I would do an engine swop if possible with that kinda cash. I really like the the wrx motor you can get built ones for about 5 or 6 grand that can give you a good 5 or 600 HP.. it's got more displacement 2.5 liters and is ment to be turboed. I dunno what you can get to fit under the Hood, but all you really want is the light weight body so if you took all the accessories out and rearanged things you might be able to get it to work. or if you don't care too much about your trunk you could do a rear mount wrx sti engine mounted to the rear wheels if you used up the space in your trunk and rear seats you could have plenty of room for anything you need and you could keep batterie and you'd have to keep master cylander in the front washer fluid.. hmm dunno how heating would be you'd probably have to get that totally reworked.. then again like everyones telling you with 25grand you could just buy a new car, sell the celica for 10-15 grand worth of mods. or maybe 2 celica engines one in the trunk and one in the front that'd give you 400hp and AWD with tuned GTS motors. the rear motor wouldn't need any accessories cause the front one could run those.. you'd probably have to completely rework a custom drivetrain.. which might cost you closer to 100grand though.
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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 7:21pm - #407000 

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Originally Posted by celicatuner
or maybe 2 celica engines one in the trunk and one in the front that'd give you 400hp and AWD with tuned GTS motors. the rear motor wouldn't need any accessories cause the front one could run those.. you'd probably have to completely rework a custom drivetrain.. which might cost you closer to 100grand though.


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spectraGTS Feb 23, 7:36pm - #407001 

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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
Originally Posted by celicatuner
or maybe 2 celica engines one in the trunk and one in the front that'd give you 400hp and AWD with tuned GTS motors. the rear motor wouldn't need any accessories cause the front one could run those.. you'd probably have to completely rework a custom drivetrain.. which might cost you closer to 100grand though.


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JettaMan Feb 23, 7:36pm - #407002 

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that would be awesome but i don't think you suspension could support a set up over 350WHP? ur going to need a larger injectors, 3" custom exhaust from turbo back... i think the celica is an awesome car, but i don't think it could take that kind of power without a complete reconstrution of the suspension and engine mounts

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QTRMLR_1 Feb 23, 7:44pm - #407003 

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Originally Posted by spectraGTS
Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
Originally Posted by celicatuner
or maybe 2 celica engines one in the trunk and one in the front that'd give you 400hp and AWD with tuned GTS motors. the rear motor wouldn't need any accessories cause the front one could run those.. you'd probably have to completely rework a custom drivetrain.. which might cost you closer to 100grand though.


rofl rofl rofl


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spectraGTS Feb 23, 7:47pm - #407004 

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Ha ha ha... thats true! Pot is cheap.
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Lucky_317 Feb 23, 8:13pm - #407005 

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BTW I'm mike also lol rofl

I'm glad someone quoted that guy cause I didnt even bother reading his post tongue

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