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Feb 2, 7:50pm - #390153 
a few noobish questions on car speakrs

what is the difference between 2/3/4 way speakers?

my current setup is i have an alpine cda9830 powering my 6 factory speakers in my '02 toyota celica gts. the factory speakers are 2 front door tweeters, 2 6.5s in the doors and 2 6.5s in the back.

does anyone know where the built in crossover is on the front door speakers? i don't seem to be getting as much sound out of the door 6.5s... is this related to that crossover? would replacing all the 6.5s noticably improve my sound?

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Feb 2, 7:59pm - #390154 
2/3/4 way speakers I believe refers to how many times the sound waves reflect off the cone of the speaker assembly. So a 4 way speaker would have sound waves that reflect 4 times before reaching your ears. This makes the sound more precise.


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Feb 2, 8:01pm - #390155 
ok, cool. thanks for the explanation. would the difference between, say, a 2 or 3 way speaker be noticable by a casual listener?

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Feb 2, 8:21pm - #390156 
It refers to the number of components built into the speaker. Each "way" refers to a different speaker size. Since a lone speaker cone cannot produce a flat response across all frequencies, it is more beneficial to have different size speakers. Two-way speakers will have a woofer cone and a tweeter built onto the same speaker. Three-way speakers will have a woofer, a midrange, and a tweeter. Four-ways = four speakers all on one.
The more speakers you have of a varying size (assuming you have good crossovers), you can produce a flat response across the whole bandwidth of human hearing (20Hz-20,000Hz).
A flat response means the volume level of each frequency across the band is equal to every other frequency. This is impossible with a single speaker, hence you need as many as you feel work for you.

Lesson in waves: imaging you have a 10-foot string with one end attached to a wall. You're gonna stand there and shake the string up and down to make a standing wave in the string (standing wave = it looks like the wave "bumps" are not moving towards or away from the wall, just bobbing up and down) ... you have to move the string really slow to make it work. Sure you can move the string faster and get more of those "bumps" (meaning a higher frequency), but the "bumps" are not going to be very tall.
Same effect with a big woofer...it's bigger, so it's not going to produce loud high-frequency waves. It's just not designed to do so.
Likewise with a shorter string, you have to move it really fast to make any standing waves in it. If you move it slow, you get no good waves, and if you move it too fast, the "bumps" won't be very tall. Same effect with a small tweeter...it's smaller so it has to move fast to get a clean sound. Low frequencies are inaudible from small tweeters.

Back to your question: 4-way speakers are going to be more clear throughout the bandwidth than 2-way speakers. 4-ways will be able to produce a better (flatter) frequency response than 2-ways. Notice 4-ways are also more expensive, but you get what you pay for.

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Feb 2, 8:23pm - #390157 
excellent explanation. thanks very much for that.

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Feb 2, 8:27pm - #390158 
heres some pics to finish his explanation.

This is a 3 way

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Feb 2, 8:28pm - #390159 
here is a 2 way

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Feb 2, 8:29pm - #390160 
and heres a 4 way, notice you can count each mini-part of the speaker,which is a speaker, that adds up as each "way" of it.

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Feb 2, 8:29pm - #390161 
^^ Thanks! thumbsup

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Feb 2, 8:39pm - #390162 
good stuff to know thumbsup

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Feb 2, 8:59pm - #390163 
nice pic supplement...

so am i to understand of the below speakers, the pioneers would sound better than the alpines, even though they cost the same?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pMdKXBwNSFh/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=130TSA1681&search=TS%2DA1681R

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pMdKXBwNSFh/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=52000&I=500SPS170A

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Feb 2, 9:10pm - #390164 
Originally Posted by ninjavshippo
nice pic supplement...

so am i to understand of the below speakers, the pioneers would sound better than the alpines, even though they cost the same?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pMdKXBwNSFh/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=130TSA1681&search=TS%2DA1681R

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pMdKXBwNSFh/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=52000&I=500SPS170A


In theory, yes, but that's to a trained ear. I buy speakers using my ears, not my eyes, so price, brand, and appearance mean dick to me. Your best bet, if you were gonna buy speakers from Crutchfield, is to go to a Best Buy or something like that, listen to the speakers in question, then go back and order the best-sounding pair online. A good quality 2-way is gonna sound better than any $2 4-way speaker, and way better than stock speakers thumbsup

Best advice for buying speakers: go listen to them first.

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