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Lucky_317
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Lucky_317 Jan 22, 7:12pm - #380554 

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TPR's 2ZZ-GE prototype cam pics

yes, I actually have them in my hand grin I picked them up last night.

next step is to get them installed and do my before/after dynos.

I'll keep everyone updated on the progress and let you know as soon as I have the dynos.

Bad news is that this is going to be too aggressive to run on the stock ecu.

for comparison this would be like the equivalent of a stage 2.5 cam for the rsx guys.

the main focus was mid - low end power with a slight increase on the high lobe.

Now, unlike what people have imagined I fully expect to be raising lift and NOT lowering it to make more power. I'm pre-guessing we made end up with lift at around 7K rpms. but this is still just speculation.

also here's what the stock specs were actually at...

Intake side only:
Low - 234 degrees duration, .190" of lift
High - 302 degrees duration, .265" of lift

I dunno if chris wants me to post his numbers til after the dynos cause we didnt discuss that so, I'll wait for him to decide on that.

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remember this is still a prototype.

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celiwhite Jan 22, 7:14pm - #380555 
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VSGTS14 Jan 22, 7:15pm - #380556 

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ct Jan 22, 7:16pm - #380557 

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eek purdy...

Originally posted by SKOOF:
yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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ct Jan 22, 7:16pm - #380558 

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eek purdy...

Originally posted by SKOOF:
yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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cycocelica Jan 22, 7:18pm - #380559 

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awesome cant wait for the numbers thumbsup thumbsup
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inifinity Jan 22, 7:20pm - #380560 
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ct Jan 22, 7:24pm - #380561 

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317

Bad news is that this is going to be too aggressive to run on the stock ecu.


so we need a power FC or some other engine management to tune the air/fuel

Originally posted by SKOOF:
yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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Lucky_317 Jan 22, 7:51pm - #380562 

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it's the VVT we're worried about.

after the dynos when we release the specs, this will make more sense. Chris decided it's best to wait til the dynos have been made to release the specs.

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Clos Jan 22, 7:56pm - #380563 
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WOW i cant belive my eyes FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lucky_317 Jan 22, 8:00pm - #380564 

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I told you guys rofl

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sakara Jan 22, 8:12pm - #380565 

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looks good mikey thumbsup


now make somethin for my damn all trac angry rofl

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Clos Jan 22, 8:22pm - #380566 
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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i want more pix blind me some more Mike
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Kim Jan 22, 8:38pm - #380567 
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wow, how cool! TPR guys are really on the ball! thanks guys!!

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VSGTS14 Jan 22, 8:43pm - #380568 

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what about us 03 and up guys who can't use PFC?
will this require some sort of engine management?

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TRDOTC Jan 22, 9:10pm - #380569 

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glad when i traded in my 2000 for 2003, i did't get a GTS cause i don't have a DBW smile I want one! I can't wait to mod my car with all TPR thumbsup
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Clos Jan 22, 9:29pm - #380570 
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hey Mike i have a question, did you only get one cam? or both witch cam is the one in the pix the Intake or the exhaust one?
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VSGTS14 Jan 22, 9:36pm - #380571 

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TRDOTC those cams pictured above are for a GTS rofl

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fraugts Jan 22, 11:06pm - #380572 

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Lucky_317 Jan 23, 12:03am - #380573 

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the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the Intake cam.

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jan 23, 12:05am - #380574 

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry
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Polykarb Jan 23, 12:11am - #380575 

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry



HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! thumbsup rofl rofl j/k

About damn time!, Now we need an good, inexpensive stroker!

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My Sixth Gear Jan 23, 12:18am - #380576 
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the exhaust cam would be useless to do

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eric_h Jan 23, 12:32am - #380577 

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hahaha, they get the black interior and nice cd player. but the 2000-02 celicas get all the good stuff

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jav8or Jan 23, 12:48am - #380578 

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two things
1) be careful and dont hurt your shit ( raising lift to 7000 rpms whoooooooo, sounds steep but if the powers there idunno
2) why would replacing the exhuast cam's be useless?

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Virgilson Jan 23, 1:46am - #380579 

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good stuff mike.
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Easy_C Jan 23, 1:53am - #380580 
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Originally Posted by Polykarb
Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry



HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! thumbsup rofl rofl j/k

About damn time!, Now we need an good, inexpensive stroker!


You wont get the full advantage of the cam with a stroker kit.

Cam = higher revving power
Stroker = lowering rev limit

see frown

we'll make PLENTY of power from this little 1.8 liter thumbsup

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Clos Jan 23, 1:54am - #380581 
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Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
the exhaust cam would be useless to do
you mind explaining this?
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Sancho Jan 23, 2:03am - #380582 

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Originally Posted by sakara
looks good mikey thumbsup


now make somethin for my damn all trac angry rofl


Sorry, they stopped making parts for your car...years ago. rofl

Nice camshaft! Chris does it again! thumbsup

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Easy_C Jan 23, 2:15am - #380583 
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Originally Posted by Clos
Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
the exhaust cam would be useless to do
you mind explaining this?


Well think of it this way, we have a variable valve timing system. Meaning we can change the valve overlap and duration using the ecu. The Intake cam is the only cam that is variable. So, by doin an Intake cam, we can alter the overlap/duration more thru the ecu. By doing the exhaust cam, we can only alter it slightly.

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jav8or Jan 23, 3:01am - #380584 

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well i am happy to see tpr attempting a venture so involved such as this.
just the fact that they even attempted to produce a prototype shows there dedication to the 2zz market.
i for one will be one of the first to pic up this fine product after there has been thorough testing and it has shown that it can withstand "the daily grind"
i would also like to see those damn headers to by the way grin thumbsup
good luck

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Easy_C Jan 23, 3:13am - #380585 
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And im sure lucky is gonna give it PLENTY of testing arent you lucky?

thumbsup

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VSGTS14 Jan 23, 3:22am - #380586 

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i thought HKS made cams for sakara's car?

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Clos Jan 23, 5:28am - #380587 
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^^^^^^ were is he?
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Lucky_317 Jan 23, 5:31am - #380588 

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I'm helping install the F/I crower cams, turbo, springs/valves on johnsgt's car. I been a lil busy today lol

Originally Posted by Easy_C
And im sure lucky is gonna give it PLENTY of testing arent you lucky?

thumbsup


well duh lol I run my car harder then almost anyone here lol


lots of people make parts for the 3sgte lol

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gtspaul2zzge Jan 23, 6:13am - #380589 
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Will the cam be F/I friendly?
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Easy_C Jan 23, 2:13pm - #380590 
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Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge
Will the cam be F/I friendly?


Right now we think it will. smile

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sbocaj55 Jan 23, 3:31pm - #380591 

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Are there any rough figures for expected gains or price? or are we just hoping for some good gains and then see?
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Easy_C Jan 23, 3:35pm - #380592 
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hoping for 15-20 whp

price to be 1100-1300 area. depending on shops quote.

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sbocaj55 Jan 23, 3:44pm - #380593 

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awesome! i'll have to put it on my wishlist along with forged rims and a power FC wave
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Clos Jan 23, 5:55pm - #380594 
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Mike make sure you take a lot of pix wile installing the cams, and a lil video to hear the the cams thumbsup
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c4justin Jan 24, 4:08am - #380595 

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haha videos ... I love the way cars lope when they have cams i hope the celi does it too!!!
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Lucky_317 Jan 24, 5:15am - #380596 

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once you see the specs for the cam you'll be amazed lol

the idle ought to be... well unique wink thumbsup

I think 10 whp peak will be realistic to aim for. but I think the big gains will be midrange. and the lift transition is gonna have some drastic changes.

I fully expext lift to be raised to about 7K and peak torque to be made around 7200 rpms give or take. I also expect peak power to move a lil bit too. I used to make peak power at 7800 rpms. I expect tht number to shift up around 8300.

but this is a guess based on best case scenario.

I'm waiting on shims from toyota before I can finish the install. expect nothing further til the end of the week. takes awhile to get the shims shipped.

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Larry_GTS Jan 24, 7:25am - #380597 
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that a big price for 20 HP frown
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Easy_C Jan 24, 7:49pm - #380598 
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Originally Posted by Larry_GTS
that a big price for 20 HP frown


people pay more for the PFC and get less...

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SCOTT03 Jan 24, 8:01pm - #380599 
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so its gonna be 1Grand plus just for an Intake cam?

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QTRMLR_1 Jan 24, 8:09pm - #380600 

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ONLY 1G for an Intake cam is more like it. Barely breaking even on the part of the manufacturer is something the consumer should be thankful for. YES.

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celimangts17 Jan 24, 8:10pm - #380601 

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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
what about us 03 and up guys who can't use PFC?
will this require some sort of engine management?

Laissez les bons temps rouler
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Clos Jan 24, 8:39pm - #380602 
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i cant belive how this pplz keep fucking wining about the price. look guys im only fucking 18 years old, and work for a damn craft store. I make 8 an hour, but im not fucking complaning about the price, im just going to shut up and save up because its something you will never get for a cheaper price. shit if you want go to a cam shop and ask them to custom make you one and see wat you end up with. if you think this is way 2 expensive then walk away and stay under 200whp thats it end of it. sorry to look like an asshole but im just tired of pplz being cheap, if you really want performance be willing to pay for it. nothing is free or cheap now days angry
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AdamVIP Jan 24, 8:55pm - #380603 
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Out of curiosity how did you afford a celica gts working at a craft store while in school? Hell I waited till i made 24 an hour full time before buying one. Maybe I should have bought a lexus
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