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2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla #378267 Jan 19, 1:08pm Jan 19, 1:08pm
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2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla
Do you guys know what the heck Toyota did to the great GTS engine in the Matrix XRS and Corolla XRS that it only has 170hp and less torque?

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: GTS_Rosh] #378268 Jan 19, 1:30pm Jan 19, 1:30pm
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Yeah, its "detuned". Most likely different settings in the ECU? Is it to get better mileage?


300,000 KM/Sec. Its not just a good idea, its the law.
Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: ExNihilo] #378269 Jan 19, 1:35pm Jan 19, 1:35pm
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Im sure they had to modify the parts list a bit. But Im sure it can be made up to normal pretty easy

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: AdamVIP] #378270 Jan 19, 2:45pm Jan 19, 2:45pm
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well we dont want them to be as good as the gts anyway wink

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: hombredelassrtas] #378271 Jan 19, 2:45pm Jan 19, 2:45pm
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thumbsdown


Originally posted by A_Bathing_Ape:
I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: celicajonz] #378272 Jan 19, 3:10pm Jan 19, 3:10pm
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for those cars being so ugly they lost 10 hp and 1000 style points


respect the gt-s
Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: celicadragon] #378273 Jan 19, 5:08pm Jan 19, 5:08pm
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The reason for "de-tunning" the 2zz in the Corolla XRS was to broaden out the torque curve for better low and mid range response thus making it a better daily driver for the average consumer, i.e. they don't have to rev it up as high we do to make it go.

Me personally I'd rather have my high reving, high strung Celica any day of the week over a Corolla, but I guess de-badged it would make a good sleeper for it's class.

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/040427/toyota-corolla-xrs.php

"produces 170 horsepower at 7,600 RPM and 127 lbs./ft. of torque at 4,400 RPM and delivers broader and stronger mid-range torque than the previous versions of the 2ZZ engine."

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: GTS2003BLK] #378274 Jan 19, 5:17pm Jan 19, 5:17pm
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Check out the speedo, that should be pretty easy to peg even with a de-tuned 2zz, it must be governed or something.

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Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: GTS2003BLK] #378275 Jan 19, 11:39pm Jan 19, 11:39pm
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You sure that's an XRS speedo and tach? Redline should be 7800...

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: renfield90] #378276 Jan 20, 10:47am Jan 20, 10:47am
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Yeah that's a Corolla Sport speedo. I remember when I sat in the XRS in the showroom, there was a 9 on the RPM gauge, plus much higher redline.

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: GTS_Rosh] #378277 Jan 20, 12:00pm Jan 20, 12:00pm
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I read on the Matrix forums that for 2005, Toyota up the lift engagment point on the Matrix XRS to 6500-6700 rpm! Toyota loves to screw people around I see, those guys can't even land lift 2-3rd now. Damn, if only we knew how they change it around so easily, I'd like to reprogram mine so its more like the Lotus.

Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: GTS_Rosh] #378278 Jan 20, 12:07pm Jan 20, 12:07pm
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I think they are also single point fuel injection, whereas the GTS is multipoint. confused


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Re: 2ZZ-GE in Matrix & Corolla [Re: DiabloGTS] #378279 Jan 22, 3:50am Jan 22, 3:50am
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multi-point or multi-port?

XRS and GTS are both multi-point fuel injection (cars.com)

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