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Im seriously considering #377322 Jan 18, 12:53pm Jan 18, 12:53pm
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Im seriously considering
halting all further mods and trading up to on of these...
just curious as to all your opinions on the up and comming eclipse..

260 HP
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rockford fosgate system,MP3,650 Watt,10 sub <-- factory eek

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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377323 Jan 18, 1:16pm Jan 18, 1:16pm
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at least it sort of resembles the better 2nd Gen 'clipse body thumbsup

its nice...do you plan on getting one?


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Zero] #377324 Jan 18, 1:25pm Jan 18, 1:25pm
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its a mitsubishi...I wouldn't be comfortable buying one...they have shaky realiability records

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: AZZKIKR] #377325 Jan 18, 1:50pm Jan 18, 1:50pm
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When I look at the 2006 Eclipse specs I can't help but think that this is what the 2006 Celica should have been like.

Unfortunetly it seems doubtful that Toyota will ever pull it's head out of it's colective ass and offer something like this to the public again.

Toyota has given up on the sports car market in favor of grocery getters, and the current Scion line just dosn't do it for me.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS2003BLK] #377326 Jan 18, 1:58pm Jan 18, 1:58pm
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i wouldn't get it cause its mitsu and you know the only reason it has that stuff is so they can get their sales up, doesn't mean it's better

but i think it looks better than previous ones.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: VSGTS14] #377327 Jan 18, 2:05pm Jan 18, 2:05pm
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I dunno... I don't really like it. I still think the 95-99 Eclipses were the best body style ever...

I'd rather keep my Celica then buy one of those...


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: CelicaGTizzle] #377328 Jan 18, 2:07pm Jan 18, 2:07pm
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if you feel that's the best move than do it when the time comes thumbsup

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: RicePowered] #377329 Jan 18, 2:22pm Jan 18, 2:22pm
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i agree with everyone here plus...the ass end looks huge...kinda reminds me of older people's cars...if you know what i mean..freckin boats they are! eek I'll stay with my Celica!

PS i don't agree with "this is what the next celica should have been like" Toyota made our body and it looks really awesome...the thing they SHOULD have done was had a more powerful engine!

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: TRDOTC] #377330 Jan 18, 2:39pm Jan 18, 2:39pm
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Mitsubishi isnt that bad i had an 00 galant and i never had problems if you do all the maintainence and stuff they last. Just dont drive them off road and a down a hill like my wife, and they will last forever thumbsup


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: TRDOTC] #377331 Jan 18, 2:50pm Jan 18, 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by TRDOTC
i agree with everyone here plus...the ass end looks huge...kinda reminds me of older people's cars...if you know what i mean..freckin boats they are! eek I'll stay with my Celica!

PS i don't agree with "this is what the next celica should have been like" Toyota made our body and it looks really awesome...the thing they SHOULD have done was had a more powerful engine!


I prefaced that statement with "when I look at the specs", what I was trying to say the next Celica should have been in that power range, not body style.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS2003BLK] #377332 Jan 18, 3:25pm Jan 18, 3:25pm
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rofl rofl rofl rofl thumbsdown thumbsdown

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Clos] #377333 Jan 18, 3:39pm Jan 18, 3:39pm
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anyone can say what they want but when it comes to styling i can already tell that there are going to be some nice body kits availiable for the new eclipse thumbsup

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: hector] #377334 Jan 18, 4:25pm Jan 18, 4:25pm
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do it, if you got the money, i think it looks 10 times better then the concept


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: eric_h] #377335 Jan 18, 4:28pm Jan 18, 4:28pm
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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: ExNihilo] #377336 Jan 18, 5:08pm Jan 18, 5:08pm
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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: SLVCELI] #377337 Jan 18, 5:14pm Jan 18, 5:14pm
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Go for it. thumbsup

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: xmangt1] #377338 Jan 18, 5:18pm Jan 18, 5:18pm
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it's a mitsubishi. nuff said. I wouldnt buy it. but it's up to you.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Lucky_317] #377339 Jan 18, 5:47pm Jan 18, 5:47pm
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Although its got 260hp, it does also weight 3500lbs (1000lbs more then the Celica)! So I think its going to be fairly average in performance and definately not faster then a GTS.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS_Rosh] #377340 Jan 18, 8:57pm Jan 18, 8:57pm
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If you like it, then go for it. Test drive highly recommended. Read up more about it too.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: jyboygenius] #377341 Jan 18, 9:30pm Jan 18, 9:30pm
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looks pretty good, but its what you want, not us

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: SnowFire] #377342 Jan 18, 10:43pm Jan 18, 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by TRDOTC
PS i don't agree with "this is what the next celica should have been like" Toyota made our body and it looks really awesome...the thing they SHOULD have done was had a more powerful engine!


He was talking about the specs, not the looks.

This thing looks like a friggen cavalier... gay rolleyes To me it doesnt look sporty AT ALL

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: TimO] #377343 Jan 18, 10:51pm Jan 18, 10:51pm
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hmmmm... fuck no!!! id take my celi over that hogshit anyday thumbsup

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: 2003cbgts] #377344 Jan 18, 11:21pm Jan 18, 11:21pm
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yeah its still early and not much is know but its between this and a EVO VIII... I watched a show on the EVO and it kept up with a marcielago (sp) on a race track! Infact the marci spun out before it did... the guy was drifting around the turns with one finger on the wheel eek eek eek eek eek I was blown away by that!!! so yeah.. I will deff test drive both and by the end of this year I think I will know my decision... Im pretty sure though that when I test drive the EVO Ill be hooked on boost for life grin

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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377345 Jan 19, 3:07am Jan 19, 3:07am
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^^^ that picture of that evo looks ugly for some reason lol

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: RookieGTS] #377346 Jan 19, 9:33am Jan 19, 9:33am
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imo i like it alot, glad to see they took some pointers off the older ones thumbsup


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: celicadragon] #377347 Jan 19, 9:37am Jan 19, 9:37am
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lol buy one, and race my car after my products come out wink


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Easy_C] #377348 Jan 19, 10:44am Jan 19, 10:44am
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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377349 Jan 19, 10:49am Jan 19, 10:49am
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Originally Posted by DJ_Curtiz
yeah its still early and not much is know but its between this and a EVO VIII... I watched a show on the EVO and it kept up with a marcielago (sp) on a race track! Infact the marci spun out before it did... the guy was drifting around the turns with one finger on the wheel eek eek eek eek eek I was blown away by that!!! so yeah.. I will deff test drive both and by the end of this year I think I will know my decision... Im pretty sure though that when I test drive the EVO Ill be hooked on boost for life grin

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the evo that they showed on that video isnt available in the US and it had horrible gas mileage and the guy said maintanence was a bitch.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: RookieGTS] #377350 Jan 19, 11:15am Jan 19, 11:15am
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Originally Posted by RookieGTS
^^^ that picture of that evo looks ugly for some reason lol



its the MR.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Eman] #377351 Jan 19, 11:43am Jan 19, 11:43am
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Id like to see the interior. The outside looks good and the specs seem nice but I didnt like the current eclipse interior. If it haas a nice interior id say go for it. They give 10 years 100000 mile power train. If anything major goes youre covered.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: AdamVIP] #377352 Jan 19, 11:56am Jan 19, 11:56am
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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: jonnyess] #377353 Jan 19, 12:00pm Jan 19, 12:00pm
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DJ_Curtis if you can afford the EVO, get that instead! That is a well reputable, fast n powerful car. I'd pick that over the Eclipse anyday.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: Lasherccl] #377354 Jan 19, 12:43pm Jan 19, 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Lasherccl
Originally Posted by DJ_Curtiz
yeah its still early and not much is know but its between this and a EVO VIII... I watched a show on the EVO and it kept up with a marcielago (sp) on a race track! Infact the marci spun out before it did... the guy was drifting around the turns with one finger on the wheel eek eek eek eek eek I was blown away by that!!! so yeah.. I will deff test drive both and by the end of this year I think I will know my decision... Im pretty sure though that when I test drive the EVO Ill be hooked on boost for life grin

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the evo that they showed on that video isnt available in the US and it had horrible gas mileage and the guy said maintanence was a bitch.


yeah I know, thats why our version is sort of a more balanced version... U failed to mention on how he ragged on the turbo lag tongue


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS_Rosh] #377355 Jan 19, 12:44pm Jan 19, 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by GTS_Rosh

DJ_Curtis if you can afford the EVO, get that instead! That is a well reputable, fast n powerful car. I'd pick that over the Eclipse anyday.


yeah man, the more and more I look and the front of the new eclipse the more its grows off of me its all that friggen movies fault that I saw... now im drool over that evo...


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377356 Jan 19, 12:47pm Jan 19, 12:47pm
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It's still going to handle like trash, just like the current Eclipse. Probably worse, since it seems to have grown in size. thumbsdown


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: RevMonster] #377357 Jan 19, 1:08pm Jan 19, 1:08pm
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that warrenty dont mean shit if you do any mods at all to your cars engine, they will drop that warrenty once they see it, its happened to my friend, he put a Cold Air Intake on his eclipse, took it for an oil change and they told him that if they can take it out right then and there his warrenty would still be good, but of course he didnt lol

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: AdamVIP] #377358 Jan 19, 1:17pm Jan 19, 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by AdamVIP
Id like to see the interior. The outside looks good and the specs seem nice but I didnt like the current eclipse interior. If it haas a nice interior id say go for it. They give 10 years 100000 mile power train. If anything major goes youre covered.


Although its not exactly my style this is a quote and pics about the interior from this site:

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/eclipse_gt.asp

"Step into the new Eclipse and enter into the future of cockpit form and function. High back sport seats with aggressive bolsters and integrated headrests position the driver in front of a four-spoke steering wheel and stylized instrument panel akin to a floating wave. Its soft-touch feel gives the instrument panel an even more upscale appearance. Motorcycle-inspired gauges backlit in Ice Blue complement the instrument panel, providing an aggressive edge."

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS2003BLK] #377359 Jan 19, 1:20pm Jan 19, 1:20pm
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Doh! forgot the picture.

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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS2003BLK] #377360 Jan 19, 1:22pm Jan 19, 1:22pm
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and this one,

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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377361 Jan 19, 1:24pm Jan 19, 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by DJ_Curtiz
Originally Posted by GTS_Rosh
DJ_Curtis if you can afford the EVO, get that instead! That is a well reputable, fast n powerful car. I'd pick that over the Eclipse anyday.


yeah man, the more and more I look and the front of the new eclipse the more its grows off of me its all that friggen movies fault that I saw... now im drool over that evo...


I know. Now that I saw that top gear movie, I'm an EVOholic. drool drool

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: KickScrew] #377362 Jan 19, 1:44pm Jan 19, 1:44pm
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Im iffy on the interior. Not digging the seat colors but im sure you can pick other colors. I like the dash coloring and the doors. Not digging the steering wheel. Gauges look like they would be hard to see. Id test drive one. Maybe if you can get blue instead of red in the interior and no white on the seats i might get it

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: AdamVIP] #377363 Jan 19, 3:46pm Jan 19, 3:46pm
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The one that he said was a better purchase (FQ 320) is the MR here. The one he tested was the FQ 400. BTW FQ stands for Fuckin Quick at least they know how to name there cars.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: calidrifter] #377364 Jan 19, 4:05pm Jan 19, 4:05pm
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i think the new eclipses are sorta ugly to be honest. I would save your money and mod your celica...WAY better looking thumbsup

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: sbocaj55] #377365 Jan 19, 4:16pm Jan 19, 4:16pm
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Only 260 hp?

Probably weighs 3000 lbs, AGAIN, and will be slow as shit.

Should have been 400HP and 400 ftlbs


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: sbocaj55] #377366 Jan 19, 4:20pm Jan 19, 4:20pm
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It looks merely ok on the outside, but I really like the interior. And you can't go wrong with that many ponies.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: TrojanUSMC] #377367 Jan 19, 4:42pm Jan 19, 4:42pm
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holy shit after seeing them pics of the eclipse in the real world in real lighting im like wtf wtf wtf wtf dont look good at all ... DAMM U COSMETICALLY ENHANCED PICTURES!!!!!!!!!! banghead banghead


ps : EVO mmmmmmmmmmmmm drool


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: DJ_Curtiz] #377368 Jan 19, 5:44pm Jan 19, 5:44pm
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The more pics your posting, the more I wished I had one too! EVO with its power, rally racer look got major drool factor attached to it. cool

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTS_Rosh] #377369 Jan 19, 6:31pm Jan 19, 6:31pm
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all i can say about the new Eclipse is puke puke I like ones out now better. I am assuming its going to be around 25k or more for the best package. the highest package for the 05's are like 25k. Imagine how much these things are going to be. might have more power than us but its pretty damn ugly. Its like driving a Maxima, but worse. It looks like it should be used for offroading or something.


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Re: Im seriously considering [Re: 00celica00gt] #377370 Jan 19, 10:36pm Jan 19, 10:36pm
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at the end of the day, its a Galant thats been factory tuned. It'll be just like the existing one, kinda looks like a sports car, kinda perfomes like one, and is much too expencive.

Re: Im seriously considering [Re: GTaintsobad] #377371 Jan 19, 11:04pm Jan 19, 11:04pm
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anyone else think that the side view Mirrors are put in a funny spot? It's too heavy for my taste, but look at this:

GTS:
2500 lbs / 180 hp = 13.89 lbs per hp

Eclipse:
3500 lbs / 260 hp = 13.46 lbs per hp

(3500 lbs based on post above)

I'm not going to analyze launching, torque, and all that other stuff, but it doesn't seem as bad...still 3500 lbs is a lot to get moving from a dead stop.

Also I've heard that Mitsu has come up with their own type of VVT (forgot the name of it). Anyone know if that's going to be included on this Eclipse?

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