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1zz cams FINALLY! #374416 Jan 14, 11:47am Jan 14, 11:47am
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1zz cams FINALLY!
THANK YOU BRIAN CROWER!!!!! they even have titanium retainers...

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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374417 Jan 14, 11:56am Jan 14, 11:56am
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I'm trying to get the picture clear... its basically like this...

To: "Steven Black" <sblack82@mail.com>
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Subject: Re: 1zz camshafts???
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:49:24 -0800

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See attached pdf file.

Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit.

Cams are new blanks (Intake and exhaust), fully tested.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

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6180 Business Center Court
San Diego CA 92154-5604 USA
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Fax: 619-661-6466
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374418 Jan 14, 11:57am Jan 14, 11:57am
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374419 Jan 14, 11:57am Jan 14, 11:57am
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AWESOME!! It is about time, i love it!


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: blackcel] #374420 Jan 14, 12:02pm Jan 14, 12:02pm
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What about the 2ZZ??? frown frown

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: speed_celica] #374421 Jan 14, 12:03pm Jan 14, 12:03pm
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...^^^^ tpr


Originally posted by A_Bathing_Ape:
I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374422 Jan 14, 12:06pm Jan 14, 12:06pm
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stage 1: Street use with emphasis on bottom to mid-range power...can be used with stock retainers and stock rev-limiter. RPM range idle to 7000+ rpm. Lobe Center 114 DEG. Duration is 268 / 260... even though stock is 274 / 260...however, duration at .050" of lift stock is 204 / 195... and stage 1 is 220 / 209

Stage 2: Designed specifically for supercharger / turbo, and their Titanium retainers must be used with the cams...duration is 262 / 262, and 211/211 at .050" of lift

Stage 3: Spring / Retainer kit required...Designed for street/Strip NA engines...rev range 1000 rpm to 7800 plus...duration is 272 / 272!!! and at .050" of lift they are at 224 / 224...lobe duration is 112 DEG.

STAGE 4, FULL RACE::: Spring / retainer kit required...RADICAL track use, requires ECU upgrade...rough idle...a gigantic 280 / 280duration at .010" of lift...and 232 / 232 at .050" of lift... FINALLY...THANK GOD...and Crower

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374423 Jan 14, 12:07pm Jan 14, 12:07pm
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no information on the 2zz...as they claim it is hard to reproduce...I'm currently arguing with them on this one right now...

the only real difference in the 2zz lift cam and a vtec cam is that the vtec cams have 3 lobes and the lift cams have 2...and they are producing the 3 lobe vtec cams right and left!!!!!..I don't see why they are having such trouble

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374424 Jan 14, 12:29pm Jan 14, 12:29pm
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awesome! maybe they mentioned this but a lot of that i didnt understand. but what are the estimated gains?

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BadSeed] #374425 Jan 14, 12:36pm Jan 14, 12:36pm
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: VSGTS14] #374426 Jan 14, 12:55pm Jan 14, 12:55pm
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I want to order some, is there a link to the website

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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: JSPITZ] #374427 Jan 14, 12:58pm Jan 14, 12:58pm
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: JSPITZ] #374428 Jan 14, 1:01pm Jan 14, 1:01pm
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Are they even taking orders for that yet? link for more info would be nice. thumbsup

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Pnoy] #374429 Jan 14, 1:09pm Jan 14, 1:09pm
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just when i think i'm startin to actually becoming half-way knowledgeable about my car... can someone please explain cams to me? i know i've heard of them many times before, bit i dont really know how they work, what they do exactly, where they go, what gains they give, etc... any help guys?


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Pnoy] #374430 Jan 14, 1:09pm Jan 14, 1:09pm
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they will not do 2zz cams they are too expensive to make.

this is an email response I got on 12/17/04

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Nothing for the 2ZZ, only the 1ZZ.

The 2ZZ cam core is very difficult to reproduce.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

Crower Cams & Equipment Co, Inc
6180 Business Center Court
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374431 Jan 14, 1:11pm Jan 14, 1:11pm
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another email I got said the cost/benefit was not good enough so it wont happen.

better hope TPR or ForcedFed is sucessful in their attempts.


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374432 Jan 14, 1:21pm Jan 14, 1:21pm
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ahhhh...sorry to hear that mike...any yes the 1zz are available for purchase...go to www.crower.com...they aren't listed under the toyota menu...but if you email info@crower.com they will send you the same information...I'd say the easiest thing would be to get the number and call them and place the order...these are gonna rock...JUST gotta get the money together...and the $1,000 for the install

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: JSPITZ] #374433 Jan 14, 1:22pm Jan 14, 1:22pm
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good for the 1zz people but us 2zz people are screwed so you gt s will probably end up faster than us if they keep making the parts for you and even if they do make the parts for us they are way more expensive


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: celicadragon] #374434 Jan 14, 1:31pm Jan 14, 1:31pm
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ehhhh...maybe only with forced induction...I've been talking to a company that is running numbers on a 1zz stroker kit for me too... hehehehehehehehe

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374435 Jan 14, 1:36pm Jan 14, 1:36pm
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if celica gts owners were interested in modding their cars as much as rsx-s owners...we'd have cams thumbsup

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374436 Jan 14, 1:43pm Jan 14, 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
better hope TPR or ForcedFed is sucessful in their attempts.


Yeah Forcedfed is siad they should be out soon, but with a price tag of 1200-1400 bucks.

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Jamey] #374437 Jan 14, 2:02pm Jan 14, 2:02pm
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same with tpr

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #374438 Jan 14, 2:08pm Jan 14, 2:08pm
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yup same with tpr lol although he's lookin at 1100 - 1200

I can't believe you're gonna pay $1000 for the install of the cams spineyes


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374439 Jan 14, 2:28pm Jan 14, 2:28pm
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^^^^^ I don't know...it was a guess...I've never done headwork before, and when I had it built I had everything done all at once...most places around here charge $450 for a simple swap of fully assembled heads... and I was thinking about the stage 3 setup...they'd have to pretty much build it again

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #374440 Jan 14, 2:42pm Jan 14, 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
if celica gts owners were interested in modding their cars as much as rsx-s owners...we'd have cams thumbsup


...IM interested!!!!! shoot...

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: AZZKIKR] #374441 Jan 14, 2:45pm Jan 14, 2:45pm
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: eric_h] #374442 Jan 14, 3:07pm Jan 14, 3:07pm
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OHHH Sooo sweeet!!!! I am going to order a st2 turbo cam set asap and let you guys know!

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: c2gas] #374443 Jan 14, 3:15pm Jan 14, 3:15pm
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^^^sweet. thumbsup

sweet, and I thought the GT's werent special grin w00t cool


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Zero] #374444 Jan 14, 6:18pm Jan 14, 6:18pm
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dang 1100-1300 bux for cams! just because they know we'll pay that much for them doesnt mean they have to charge it...

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: CelicaGuy13] #374445 Jan 14, 6:33pm Jan 14, 6:33pm
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yes im going to save up for them grin grin grin grin grin go 1zz engines thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: CelicaGuy13] #374446 Jan 14, 6:33pm Jan 14, 6:33pm
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When are they comin out? Last I heard, not for a while.

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: gtspaul2zzge] #374447 Jan 14, 7:08pm Jan 14, 7:08pm
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what are the usual gains on cams...
i heard something for gts that it could make it 240 whp


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: VSGTS14] #374448 Jan 14, 7:33pm Jan 14, 7:33pm
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240hp of just cams i highly doubt that usually its 5-15hp


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: EuRoBoYGT] #374449 Jan 14, 9:29pm Jan 14, 9:29pm
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I don't understand this. They can build new and better internals for 1ZZ but not 2ZZ. Companies have lost their damn minds to not develop parts for a car thats been around since '72.


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: EuRoBoYGT] #374450 Jan 14, 9:38pm Jan 14, 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by EuRoBoYGT
240hp of just cams i highly doubt that usually its 5-15hp


that's what i thought
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Polykarb] #374451 Jan 14, 9:43pm Jan 14, 9:43pm
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Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit

what do they mean pairs? and would you need to get the spring and titanium retainer kit? pretty much am i going to be saving closer to 900 bucks for the cams or just 438?

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BadSeed] #374452 Jan 14, 9:55pm Jan 14, 9:55pm
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Who did you hear 240whp from? If it was me, then i really dont know what HP figure was made. My shop at the time was a fraud so lord knows if they told the truth about that frown


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Easy_C] #374453 Jan 14, 10:02pm Jan 14, 10:02pm
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: VSGTS14] #374454 Jan 14, 10:15pm Jan 14, 10:15pm
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so only 5-15 hp would be an expected gain?? freakin xpensive for that little gain


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BigTony] #374455 Jan 14, 11:05pm Jan 14, 11:05pm
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yes it is...if its only that little i dont think it would be worth it.

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BigTony] #374456 Jan 14, 11:10pm Jan 14, 11:10pm
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^^ nobody knows the gains yet cause they arent out. peopl eare speculating.

also if you think they are charging $1100 - $1400 cause they think you'll pay it youre nuts.

crower stated their reasoning is difficulty. they obviously have an unlimited time and budget.

believe me when I say these ARE NOT CHEAP to make. especially in the measly 10 - 20 per order quantities. you're lucky they are coming out at all.

basically every company's opinion is that the juice is not worth the squeeze.

the 2zz cam is NOT a bad cam. it's also a very well developed cam so it's gonna be very difficult to make a better one du to the materials and setup of the stock system.


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374457 Jan 14, 11:20pm Jan 14, 11:20pm
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kinda off topic, but can the rev limiter be changed on the GT?


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BigTony] #374458 Jan 14, 11:25pm Jan 14, 11:25pm
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this will creat a reason for the GT owners to invest in the power fc. with tha tyour answer is yes. thumbsup


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Lucky_317] #374459 Jan 14, 11:28pm Jan 14, 11:28pm
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how much more hp gain do you think you could get if you hit 8krpm in GT?


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damn. why get a turbo when i can just do that crazy


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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: BigTony] #374462 Jan 15, 1:36am Jan 15, 1:36am
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I think 438 is a good price for 5-15whp. Look at how much gains you get from an Intake, exhaust, header, pullies, etc. NA cars are expensive to mod, but more safe...in my opinion. I think that the cams will provide more benefits than an I/H/E setup. Plus, I am sure that there will be a bit of a torque/acceleration gain much better than i/h/e. I'm just defending the price.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Grand-Touring-Dan] #374463 Jan 15, 8:48am Jan 15, 8:48am
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Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: VSGTS14] #374464 Jan 15, 11:20am Jan 15, 11:20am
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yea, its been a while. I'm back though.

Re: 1zz cams FINALLY! [Re: Grand-Touring-Dan] #374465 Jan 15, 11:59am Jan 15, 11:59am
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this makes me wish I had a GT frown

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