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Jan 14, 12:47pm - #374416 
1zz cams FINALLY!

THANK YOU BRIAN CROWER!!!!! they even have titanium retainers...

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Jan 14, 12:56pm - #374417 
I'm trying to get the picture clear... its basically like this...

To: "Steven Black" <sblack82@mail.com>
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Subject: Re: 1zz camshafts???
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:49:24 -0800

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See attached pdf file.

Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit.

Cams are new blanks (Intake and exhaust), fully tested.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

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Jan 14, 12:57pm - #374418 
thumbsup


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I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
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Jan 14, 12:57pm - #374419 
AWESOME!! It is about time, i love it!


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Jan 14, 1:02pm - #374420 
What about the 2ZZ??? frown frown

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Jan 14, 1:03pm - #374421 
...^^^^ tpr


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I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
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Jan 14, 1:06pm - #374422 
stage 1: Street use with emphasis on bottom to mid-range power...can be used with stock retainers and stock rev-limiter. RPM range idle to 7000+ rpm. Lobe Center 114 DEG. Duration is 268 / 260... even though stock is 274 / 260...however, duration at .050" of lift stock is 204 / 195... and stage 1 is 220 / 209

Stage 2: Designed specifically for supercharger / turbo, and their Titanium retainers must be used with the cams...duration is 262 / 262, and 211/211 at .050" of lift

Stage 3: Spring / Retainer kit required...Designed for street/Strip NA engines...rev range 1000 rpm to 7800 plus...duration is 272 / 272!!! and at .050" of lift they are at 224 / 224...lobe duration is 112 DEG.

STAGE 4, FULL RACE::: Spring / retainer kit required...RADICAL track use, requires ECU upgrade...rough idle...a gigantic 280 / 280duration at .010" of lift...and 232 / 232 at .050" of lift... FINALLY...THANK GOD...and Crower

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Jan 14, 1:07pm - #374423 
no information on the 2zz...as they claim it is hard to reproduce...I'm currently arguing with them on this one right now...

the only real difference in the 2zz lift cam and a vtec cam is that the vtec cams have 3 lobes and the lift cams have 2...and they are producing the 3 lobe vtec cams right and left!!!!!..I don't see why they are having such trouble

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Jan 14, 1:29pm - #374424 
awesome! maybe they mentioned this but a lot of that i didnt understand. but what are the estimated gains?

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Jan 14, 1:36pm - #374425 
we need some for 2zz


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Jan 14, 1:55pm - #374426 
I want to order some, is there a link to the website

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Jan 14, 1:58pm - #374427 
cant wait to see a dyno on those puppies grin cheers


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Jan 14, 2:01pm - #374428 
Are they even taking orders for that yet? link for more info would be nice. thumbsup

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Jan 14, 2:09pm - #374429 
just when i think i'm startin to actually becoming half-way knowledgeable about my car... can someone please explain cams to me? i know i've heard of them many times before, bit i dont really know how they work, what they do exactly, where they go, what gains they give, etc... any help guys?


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Jan 14, 2:09pm - #374430 
they will not do 2zz cams they are too expensive to make.

this is an email response I got on 12/17/04

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Nothing for the 2ZZ, only the 1ZZ.

The 2ZZ cam core is very difficult to reproduce.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

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Jan 14, 2:11pm - #374431 
another email I got said the cost/benefit was not good enough so it wont happen.

better hope TPR or ForcedFed is sucessful in their attempts.


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Jan 14, 2:21pm - #374432 
ahhhh...sorry to hear that mike...any yes the 1zz are available for purchase...go to www.crower.com...they aren't listed under the toyota menu...but if you email info@crower.com they will send you the same information...I'd say the easiest thing would be to get the number and call them and place the order...these are gonna rock...JUST gotta get the money together...and the $1,000 for the install

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Jan 14, 2:22pm - #374433 
good for the 1zz people but us 2zz people are screwed so you gt s will probably end up faster than us if they keep making the parts for you and even if they do make the parts for us they are way more expensive


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Jan 14, 2:31pm - #374434 
ehhhh...maybe only with forced induction...I've been talking to a company that is running numbers on a 1zz stroker kit for me too... hehehehehehehehe

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Jan 14, 2:36pm - #374435 
if celica gts owners were interested in modding their cars as much as rsx-s owners...we'd have cams thumbsup

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Jan 14, 2:43pm - #374436 
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
better hope TPR or ForcedFed is sucessful in their attempts.


Yeah Forcedfed is siad they should be out soon, but with a price tag of 1200-1400 bucks.

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Jan 14, 3:02pm - #374437 
same with tpr

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Jan 14, 3:08pm - #374438 
yup same with tpr lol although he's lookin at 1100 - 1200

I can't believe you're gonna pay $1000 for the install of the cams spineyes


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Jan 14, 3:28pm - #374439 
^^^^^ I don't know...it was a guess...I've never done headwork before, and when I had it built I had everything done all at once...most places around here charge $450 for a simple swap of fully assembled heads... and I was thinking about the stage 3 setup...they'd have to pretty much build it again

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Jan 14, 3:42pm - #374440 
Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
if celica gts owners were interested in modding their cars as much as rsx-s owners...we'd have cams thumbsup


...IM interested!!!!! shoot...

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Jan 14, 3:45pm - #374441 
i wanna see some gains and dynos


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Jan 14, 4:07pm - #374442 
OHHH Sooo sweeet!!!! I am going to order a st2 turbo cam set asap and let you guys know!

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Jan 14, 4:15pm - #374443 
^^^sweet. thumbsup

sweet, and I thought the GT's werent special grin w00t cool


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Jan 14, 7:18pm - #374444 
dang 1100-1300 bux for cams! just because they know we'll pay that much for them doesnt mean they have to charge it...

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Jan 14, 7:33pm - #374445 
yes im going to save up for them grin grin grin grin grin go 1zz engines thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


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Jan 14, 7:33pm - #374446 
When are they comin out? Last I heard, not for a while.

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Jan 14, 8:08pm - #374447 
what are the usual gains on cams...
i heard something for gts that it could make it 240 whp


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Jan 14, 8:33pm - #374448 
240hp of just cams i highly doubt that usually its 5-15hp


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Jan 14, 10:29pm - #374449 
I don't understand this. They can build new and better internals for 1ZZ but not 2ZZ. Companies have lost their damn minds to not develop parts for a car thats been around since '72.


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Jan 14, 10:38pm - #374450 
Originally Posted by EuRoBoYGT
240hp of just cams i highly doubt that usually its 5-15hp


that's what i thought
guess who i heard it from... wink


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Jan 14, 10:43pm - #374451 
Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit

what do they mean pairs? and would you need to get the spring and titanium retainer kit? pretty much am i going to be saving closer to 900 bucks for the cams or just 438?

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Jan 14, 10:55pm - #374452 
Who did you hear 240whp from? If it was me, then i really dont know what HP figure was made. My shop at the time was a fraud so lord knows if they told the truth about that frown


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Jan 14, 11:02pm - #374453 
heard it from a friend from you, but its ok thumbsup


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Jan 14, 11:15pm - #374454 
so only 5-15 hp would be an expected gain?? freakin xpensive for that little gain


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Jan 15, 12:05am - #374455 
yes it is...if its only that little i dont think it would be worth it.

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Jan 15, 12:10am - #374456 
^^ nobody knows the gains yet cause they arent out. peopl eare speculating.

also if you think they are charging $1100 - $1400 cause they think you'll pay it youre nuts.

crower stated their reasoning is difficulty. they obviously have an unlimited time and budget.

believe me when I say these ARE NOT CHEAP to make. especially in the measly 10 - 20 per order quantities. you're lucky they are coming out at all.

basically every company's opinion is that the juice is not worth the squeeze.

the 2zz cam is NOT a bad cam. it's also a very well developed cam so it's gonna be very difficult to make a better one du to the materials and setup of the stock system.


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Jan 15, 12:20am - #374457 
kinda off topic, but can the rev limiter be changed on the GT?


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Jan 15, 12:25am - #374458 
this will creat a reason for the GT owners to invest in the power fc. with tha tyour answer is yes. thumbsup


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Jan 15, 12:28am - #374459 
how much more hp gain do you think you could get if you hit 8krpm in GT?


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Jan 15, 12:36am - #374460 
a bagillion


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Jan 15, 12:37am - #374461 
damn. why get a turbo when i can just do that crazy


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Jan 15, 2:36am - #374462 
I think 438 is a good price for 5-15whp. Look at how much gains you get from an Intake, exhaust, header, pullies, etc. NA cars are expensive to mod, but more safe...in my opinion. I think that the cams will provide more benefits than an I/H/E setup. Plus, I am sure that there will be a bit of a torque/acceleration gain much better than i/h/e. I'm just defending the price.

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Jan 15, 9:48am - #374463 
^wow, last time i saw you post was sooo long ago dude spineyes


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Jan 15, 12:20pm - #374464 
yea, its been a while. I'm back though.

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Jan 15, 12:59pm - #374465 
this makes me wish I had a GT frown

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