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How do you downshift? #365583 Jan 4, 11:45pm Jan 4, 11:45pm
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How do you downshift?
when i downshift i press down the clutch.. rev the engine (rev matching) then shift to lower gear.. then release the cluth..

my friend said that its bad for my sycncros <-- what is that?
he said that the proper way to downshift is to
1.hold down cluth
2.move to nutural
3.release clutch
4.rev engine(revmatch)
5.press clutch
6.put in lower gear
7.release clutch

the difference is when i downshift i hold the clutch down the whole time and release when i moved in a lower gear with the rev matched..

what do yu do?

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: WaWaWAGTS] #365584 Jan 4, 11:51pm Jan 4, 11:51pm
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heel toe baby, heel toe.

this may help:
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/howto/articles/45792/article.html


syncros are the things that keep your gears from grinding when you shift. (basically)

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: FloydianSlip6] #365585 Jan 4, 11:54pm Jan 4, 11:54pm
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You really don't need to do revv-matching unless you are downshifting at high rpm, as you would in racing. Also heel-toe really doesnt need to be used outside of racing, especially if you are asking how to downshift, I wouldn't worry about it. spineyes

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^ not true. It's the most low impact on your powertrain. It's also good for any situation where you have to break then accelerate quickly. Oh well, not my car. wave

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: FloydianSlip6] #365587 Jan 5, 12:00am Jan 5, 12:00am
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Of course it's the best thing to do, I'm just saying it's not as necessary in a modern transmission like a celica, but then again it is a weak tranny so it would be good to learn I suppose. grin And I daily drive a car with no syncs, so I have to revv-match and use heel-toe constantly.

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: BReakinDrifTs] #365588 Jan 5, 12:17am Jan 5, 12:17am
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During normal day to day driving, rev matching or heel/toe downshifting isn't necessary, that's what syncro's are for. If your racing, or an emergency stop comes up, then it's understandable. My problem is being 6'4" with size 12 feet and driving a celica. When I heel/toe downshift, I have to use my heel on the brake, and blip the gas with my toes. It's a little awkward, but it works.

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: WaWaWAGTS] #365589 Jan 5, 12:49am Jan 5, 12:49am
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Originally Posted by WaWaWAGTS
when i downshift i press down the clutch.. rev the engine (rev matching) then shift to lower gear.. then release the cluth..

my friend said that its bad for my sycncros <-- what is that?
he said that the proper way to downshift is to
1.hold down cluth
2.move to nutural
3.release clutch
4.rev engine(revmatch)
5.press clutch
6.put in lower gear
7.release clutch

the difference is when i downshift i hold the clutch down the whole time and release when i moved in a lower gear with the rev matched..

what do yu do?


I do the same thing that you do. I have tried using the method that your friend describe but with the GTS the RPM drops pretty damn fast for me to rev match properly or catch the RPM at the right spot.

I myself am not too sure which one is the better method.

Can anyone here tell us which out of these two method is better?


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Chelica815] #365590 Jan 5, 1:06am Jan 5, 1:06am
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rofl


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: QTRMLR_1] #365591 Jan 5, 1:19am Jan 5, 1:19am
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lol guys all i do is push clutch drop to lower gear release clutch


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: QTRMLR_1] #365592 Jan 5, 1:19am Jan 5, 1:19am
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
rofl


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Chelica815] #365593 Jan 5, 1:27am Jan 5, 1:27am
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^^ He has a point, pretty funny some people drive 6 spds then ask how to downshift. rofl

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: BReakinDrifTs] #365594 Jan 5, 1:38am Jan 5, 1:38am
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Hmmm...I guess. But there are diff. methods of driving in my opinions. And it is not like everyone is an expert when it comes down to driving or even shifting for that matter, that is why some people get into accidents and some does not...That is why some people mis-shift and some does not...that is why some people drive auto and some drive standard.

If you are one of the few who actually have skills, then why not share and teach?


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Chelica815] #365595 Jan 5, 2:05am Jan 5, 2:05am
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push in clutch
downshift
as you are about to release the clutch blip throttel don't have to rev match the car will do it by its self as long as you tap the gas and jump the rpms they will move easyer (then just downshifting and dropping the clutch)

what as stated above is double clutching and pretty much useless you do not have to put it in netrual and then push in and out the clutch syncros solved it for us

hha maybe i'll do an intial d style video
and heal/toe braking is pretty much useless on the street does not help with emergency braking if your slamming the brakes you better be pushing that clutch in too


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: drkramm] #365596 Jan 5, 4:25am Jan 5, 4:25am
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You only double clutch in (OLD) cars without syncros in the gearbox.

But if you are really good at maching the rmps when shifting gear, you don't have to use your clutch in your Celica - and when your skills improve you can shift gears really quick without using the clutch.


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: marajade] #365597 Jan 5, 5:48am Jan 5, 5:48am
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I wouldn't suggest not using the clutch unless you are very good.

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Teknikal] #365598 Jan 5, 5:51am Jan 5, 5:51am
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Originally Posted by Teknikal
I wouldn't suggest not using the clutch unless you are very good.


yea in cars that gets hairy on my bike i do it all the time its 10x smoother and saves a lot of time clutchless up/down shifts

but man in my car eek i would never try it


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: drkramm] #365599 Jan 5, 7:52am Jan 5, 7:52am
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i jsut push throw it in neurtral whenever i go to stop

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I just jam it into first from like 50mph ... no prob rofl rofl rofl

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: marajade] #365601 Jan 5, 10:11am Jan 5, 10:11am
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Originally Posted by marajade

You only double clutch in (OLD) cars without syncros in the gearbox.

But if you are really good at maching the rmps when shifting gear, you don't have to use your clutch in your Celica - and when your skills improve you can shift gears really quick without using the clutch.


Hmm I heard about truckers doing that, but I never heard how you can upshift/downshift without pressing the clutch in regular cars.

Anyone wants to tell me how to do it?
Very interesting topic in my opinion.


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Refer to Haulin_A_Doo's "How to drive a standard without a clutch" thread.

https://www.celicahobby.com/ubbthrea...#Post1870115291

He got so slammed, but I supported him.
Do any of you guys remember this thread? rofl


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Chelica815] #365603 Jan 5, 12:24pm Jan 5, 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
rofl


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: BReakinDrifTs] #365604 Jan 5, 12:25pm Jan 5, 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by BReakinDrifTs
^^ He has a point, pretty funny some people drive 6 spds then ask how to downshift. rofl


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^^^^ I remember that thread. thumbsup

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Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
lol guys all i do is push clutch drop to lower gear release clutch

exactly thats wut i do to, but in my friends' rides because my GT is auto rofl

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when i downshift i clutch in, shift to lower gear, give a little gas, and let out the clutch. rev-matching is a good idea to keep the shift smooth.


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^^^yup, same here..most of the time i don't even know i did it..i'm used to doing it without thinking about..automated action..


Originally Posted by pesho01
Question:
Whenever my car is at a full stop or even in park the RPM never sits on 0. what does this mean?
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what i actually do is when i shift, i hit the throttle for a split second right after i push the clutch in and shift gears, and it shifts nice and smooth.

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i didnt read the rest of the thread...

but your freind is a complete moron...

your freind is telling you to double clutch... wich is stupid and pointless because you have synchro's...


revmatching is a good idea, the way you do it now is fine and will save your synchro's...


its bad to just jam it into gear without rev matching... over time it will kill your synchro's.

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revmatching when downshift make thing smoother..rather then getting the jerk of power when you push on the gas after you downshifted.


Originally Posted by pesho01
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Whenever my car is at a full stop or even in park the RPM never sits on 0. what does this mean?
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wtf... some of yu really dont know how to drive or yu proabably have auto..

one of yu said that you jam your clutch in to 1st?! wtf.. yu never down shift to 1st unless in the parkinglot..

and about not having to revmatch.. if you dont yur car is going to jerk really hard...
which isint good..
im talking about going 40-50mph in 6th gear and then pick up speed by shifting from 6th to 2nd..

im not saying all of you dont know how to drive.. but some of you who talk as if you know everything..

someone said that what my friend is doing is doubld clutching.. your right.. so is it true that for our cars (which are newer) you dont have to double clutch? he drives a 91 240sx

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^^ rofl

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Originally Posted by WaWaWAGTS
wtf... some of yu really dont know how to drive or yu proabably have auto..

one of yu said that you jam your clutch in to 1st?! wtf.. yu never down shift to 1st unless in the parkinglot..

and about not having to revmatch.. if you dont yur car is going to jerk really hard...
which isint good..
im talking about going 40-50mph in 6th gear and then pick up speed by shifting from 6th to 2nd..

im not saying all of you dont know how to drive.. but some of you who talk as if you know everything..

someone said that what my friend is doing is doubld clutching.. your right.. so is it true that for our cars (which are newer) you dont have to double clutch? he drives a 91 240sx



The comment about jamming the car in first was a joke. slap
No shit the car is going to jerk when you downshift without a revv-match. eek
Yes.. It is true that it's not necessary to double clutch in your car, and his too. tongue

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: BReakinDrifTs] #365616 Jan 5, 10:39pm Jan 5, 10:39pm
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it wont jerk if you let off the clutch slowly, it'll just slow you down which is what downshifting is for


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a 91 240sx is new enough to have synchros. i believe synchros came about in the mid 60's? (someone know?) double clutching i don't believe will hurt anything, but it's pointless, slower, and not helping anything either.


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Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
lol guys all i do is push clutch drop to lower gear release clutch


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: ASheva10] #365619 Jan 6, 1:09am Jan 6, 1:09am
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Originally Posted by ASheva10
[quote=marajade]
Hmm I heard about truckers doing that, but I never heard how you can upshift/downshift without pressing the clutch in regular cars.

Anyone wants to tell me how to do it?
Very interesting topic in my opinion.


It's easy to upshift/downshift without a clutch. To shift up, accelerate to a reasonable RPM, pull the shifter out of gear and pull/push toward next gear using light pressure. Once the engine and tranny match revolutions, the shifter will continue into the next gear. Down shifting is done the same way, but after you pull the shifter out of gear, rev the engine then pull/push shifter with light pressure toward next gear until the revolutions match and it drops into gear. It can be done with cars, but it's not recommended because it will mess up the syncros. I drive dump trucks and tractor trailers everyday, so I use this method all the time, otherwise my left foot gets quite tired after a day of work, up and down the gears.

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Originally Posted by WaWaWAGTS
wtf... some of yu really dont know how to drive or yu proabably have auto..

one of yu said that you jam your clutch in to 1st?! wtf.. yu never down shift to 1st unless in the parkinglot..

and about not having to revmatch.. if you dont yur car is going to jerk really hard...
which isint good..
im talking about going 40-50mph in 6th gear and then pick up speed by shifting from 6th to 2nd..

im not saying all of you dont know how to drive.. but some of you who talk as if you know everything..

someone said that what my friend is doing is doubld clutching.. your right.. so is it true that for our cars (which are newer) you dont have to double clutch? he drives a 91 240sx


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so is it ok that when i got to stop or corner is jsut put it in neutral the either in the corner or after i revmatch and put it in a lower gear. is it better to downshift or jsut put it in neutral when you stop. i remeber someone saying that its easier to replace clutch so downshifting is better. I am very new at driving stick so deff woudl like pointers. Thanks everyone for your help.

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i press the clutch in, go to the gear i want, let the clutch out and take it from there


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When I'm trying to accelerate and pass I just turn on my auxillary booster rockets spineyes rofl...and when I'm trying to slow down I just ... wait... what is this "Shifting" and "slowing down" that you earthlings speak of...

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: AZZKIKR] #365624 Jan 6, 12:02pm Jan 6, 12:02pm
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Double declutching is the smoothiest way to downshift.

For example, you drive in the 4th gear and you want to turn.
Go 4 -> 2 with the double declutching, your car will slow down automatically without any breaking (or break a little to show the lights), and you feel very comfortable while turning.

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: Barabaika] #365625 Jan 6, 12:11pm Jan 6, 12:11pm
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If you need to slow down -
1. Push in the clutch.
2. Shift to neutral.
3. Hit the 'chutes and come to a complete stop
4. Get out and reload your 'brakes'
5. Continue driving! =)


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: ArumnDark] #365626 Jan 6, 3:21pm Jan 6, 3:21pm
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i dont know about you guys but when i downshift and accelerate i just throw it into the gear and push the gas. when im trying to slow down i put it in neutral and use the brakes most of the time. on rare occasions like before making a turn i will downshift into second right before or after the turn but by that time im going slow enough to where it kicks in smoothly anywayz...i dont understand revmatching and downshifting because your rpms are going to shoot up when you downshift anywayz..if im driving incorrectly then lemmi know because no one showed me how to drive a stick shift i just go in the car and learned on my own. thumbsup

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: hector] #365627 Jan 6, 3:24pm Jan 6, 3:24pm
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yea hector i do exactly what you do and i was only given a short lesson by my dad before i headed up to college and we really didnt go over that wink btw hector how much did it cost to have the west wings cut for the 2nd exhaust and molded together?

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: hombredelassrtas] #365628 Jan 6, 3:36pm Jan 6, 3:36pm
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You don't need to double clutch on our cars, nor do you need to rev match if you don't want to.

That's what synchros are for, but rev matching will put less wear on them.


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Re: How do you downshift? [Re: slidr] #365629 Jan 10, 12:08am Jan 10, 12:08am
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OMG... yu guys really need to learn how to drive yur cars!!

okay.. one guy said that he goes around corners in neutral.. this is very bad unless yur a grandma driver.. I never leave a car in neutral while driving.. you lose all control of the car..

another person said that he dosent understand why you have to do rev matching.. well.. first if i raced yu and you didnt rev match i would own you.. second.. your fucking up your transmission, your motor mounts, and shocking the engine..

when driving you want to feel a smooth ride.. anytime you do something that jerks.. your not driving correctly and damaging your car..

oh and... please dont try to redline your car when its cold..
i always let my car warm up about 3 min at the least before driving.. if im in a rush i drive slowww

Re: How do you downshift? [Re: WaWaWAGTS] #365630 Jan 10, 1:26pm Jan 10, 1:26pm
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Looks at my avatar. Thats how ya do it thumbsup

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