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Dec 31, 2:52pm - #362701 
Another Hydro lock victim :(

well it's official. I'm a dumbass.

Luckily I only got a lil water in the engine and got it shu down before anything bad happened. but I DID get water inside cry

Looks like I'll most likely be tearing the engine down.

I'll post an update when I know more.


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Dec 31, 2:55pm - #362702 
that sucks... you wanna trade engines?

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Dec 31, 2:58pm - #362703 
Sorry to hear about that.
If you don't mind me asking, how did it happen?

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Dec 31, 3:06pm - #362704 
jesus man, you're just having all sorts of bad luck. At least a new year is comming up!

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Dec 31, 3:08pm - #362705 
well, I'm gonna start on it right now. I'll take my time and do a whole write up for anyone else who has this happen in the future.

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It happened cause it's been raining all day and evertyhing is flooded. I was at the mall when the rain started and I still had my CAI on. ( I usually remove it on rainy days but got lazy this morning)

I made it all the way home before it happened which was lucky for me. turning into my culva sac, there was a lil waterthat I had to cross. I didnt think anything of it cause there wasnt much there at all. but the second I hit the water the engine started chuggin so I shut it down and pushed it to my driveway. let it sit for a sec and tried to start it. It didnt want to idle so I shut it down. Talk about a stupid way to screw up your engine.

now I'm gonna go pull the plugs and the Intake manifold and hope I didnt get enough in to get in in the cylinders. cause that will suck big ones. but we'll see.


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Dec 31, 3:11pm - #362706 
did you remove your under car plastics?

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Dec 31, 3:20pm - #362707 
...dam sor-ee dude... frown


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Dec 31, 3:31pm - #362708 
Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
jesus man, you're just having all sorts of bad luck. At least a new year is comming up!


heh...him...bad luck...his name is LUCKY rofl rofl rofl



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Dec 31, 3:56pm - #362709 
holy shit mike!!! eek

okay...now i'm scared... eek eek eek eek eek


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Dec 31, 4:13pm - #362710 
when I took off the Intake, at least 10-15 oz. of water came pouring out. (not a good sign)

pulled out the spark plugs and they were ok (thank god)

pulled off the Throttle body and it's soakin wet (very not good)

next I'll be pulling off the Intake manifold. Hopefully theres not too much water resting inside of it. also the oil doesnt look like its got any water in it yet so I may get off with a bad scare so far **crosses fingers**


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Dec 31, 4:19pm - #362711 
shit man, that sucks...rain gets bad in San antonio at times too, i think I'm gunna go with a Short Ram for that reason...


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Dec 31, 4:23pm - #362712 
d000de Lucky geese! how big was the puddle when you hit? and how fast were you going? and you have the car in gear?

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Dec 31, 4:39pm - #362713 
whats hyrolock, and whats CAI?

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Dec 31, 4:40pm - #362714 
Yea, it doesn't sound like you hydrolocked it. Just let it sit open for a few days. If you don't have grey oil, you should be fine. If you have a compressor, try shooting air in the parts that you have apart. I'd bet most of the water was just sittin in the CAI itself, and not in the engine.

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Dec 31, 5:11pm - #362715 
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Dec 31, 5:17pm - #362716 
sorry bro frown

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Dec 31, 5:44pm - #362717 
well bad news. I dumped maybe 1/4 gallon of water outa the Intake manifold.

gonna crank it to see how much is sitting inside the engine. hopefully nothing comes out.

so far looked pretty dry around the valves and stuff so I'm not super worried just yet. prolly post again in a lil bit.

hehe at least now we'll have a write up on how to try and home remedy getitng water in the engine rofl


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Dec 31, 5:46pm - #362718 
dude.. you must of sucked up quite a bit of water cry

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Dec 31, 6:20pm - #362719 
mike...how deep was this puddle and how fast were you going??? it seems you sucked up quite a bit of water...


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Dec 31, 7:26pm - #362720 
https://www.celicahobby.com/ubbthrea...&PHPSESSID=


for pics of what I've pulled apart so far.

I'm gonna do the write up next year cool


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Dec 31, 7:34pm - #362721 
that would be hydrolock.. it sounded like it and the pictures are worth millions of words


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Dec 31, 8:17pm - #362722 
aww damn. sorry to hear mike. sounds like a ton of water was sucked up. hopefully your engine is fine.


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Dec 31, 8:29pm - #362723 
damn mikey... I'm sry frown that sux hun cry


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Jan 1, 6:16am - #362724 
awww man, sorry bout the bad news


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Jan 1, 1:29pm - #362725 
well so far no water came outa the head and no water came out in the oil pan so I think I got lucky this time thumbsup


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Jan 1, 1:33pm - #362726 
damnn...that sucks Mike frown

it rains like CRAZY over here...so i'm going with a SRI


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Jan 1, 1:43pm - #362727 
Sorry to hear what happened dude frown

Man that's why I'm never going to get a CAI. I live in wet-belt of North America where it rains all the time and I'm not going to chance this ever happening. That's why I'm going to get a Rod Millen style SRI /w the heat shield, its the best most safest way to go. I saw it tested an Intake temps were about 5 degrees cooler then stock, which is good enough for me.

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Jan 1, 7:16pm - #362728 
yeah this is why I really cant wait for the TPR CAI. this way in the rare times it rains here I just pop off the bottom tube and instant SRI.


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Jan 1, 7:24pm - #362729 
Damn dude, at least you know how to take your engine apart, that would cost me all kinds of money for someone else to do. spineyes

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Jan 1, 8:29pm - #362730 
I'm just curious how much is a little water that you had to cross?
I'm just wondering what would you estimate the depth of the river flowing in front of you while this happened and were you hauling ass?
All out of curiousity mind you.

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Jan 1, 9:01pm - #362731 
actually the best we can figure is that it is largely due to a design flaw in the AEM gen 2 CAI's. once any amount of water goes into your Intake, it gets caught in the Intake tube because the first bend is angled up. This creates a pool. so most likely the water had been building up the whole time and slowly being sucked into the Intake manifold. Now our Intake manifold runners curve up which means it pulls the air from the top. When I hit the small dip it wasnt the water but the fact that I hit the dip that caused my engine to choke. My guess is that the bump splashed the water in the Intake manifold and the engine then sucked some in. So far doesnt seem like enough to have caused any damage but enough to be annoying. also shutting the car down right away helped keep the water out.

I was going under 20 mph when it happened.


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Jan 1, 9:04pm - #362732 
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
actually the best we can figure is that it is largely due to a design flaw in the AEM gen 2 cai's.


i guess everytime it rains i'm gonna have to take the tubing out and drain out the water rofl


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Jan 1, 9:07pm - #362733 
eh soon as tpr releases theirs again I'm sooo gonna switch. I don't think I wanna go through this scare again lol thumbsup


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Jan 1, 9:10pm - #362734 
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
I don't think I wanna go through this scare again lol thumbsup


shut up...you liked it.. rofl


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Jan 1, 10:07pm - #362735 
Damn man sorry to hear. Thats great of you to make a write up on it. I hope it didnt cause too much damage. thumbsup


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Jan 1, 10:53pm - #362736 
You wrote the Intake was building up water because it pooled it up due to AEM's Intake flaw.
Is that correct?
The Intake manifold was building up water as well?
You didn't notice anything going wrong especially going as slow as you said you were in what was it?
An inch, foot, 3 feet of water? I missed that part. Or over time?
A bump in the road is that right? caused this pool of water in your Intake and manifold on the same car that you were driving before hand with no troubles to suddenly hydrolock?
A bump in the road made your engine do something more spectacular like induce more air or water or fuel? Is that correct?

Afterwards of you rexplaination you said, " yeah this is why I really cant wait for the TPR CAI. this way in the rare times it rains here I just pop off the bottom tube and instant SRI".
Is this correct?

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Jan 2, 4:57pm - #362737 
Originally Posted by hephaestus
You wrote the Intake was building up water because it pooled it up due to AEM's Intake flaw.
Is that correct?
Yes

The Intake manifold was building up water as well?

Yes refer to this quote... "once any amount of water goes into your intake, it gets caught in the intake tube because the first bend is angled up."

You didn't notice anything going wrong especially going as slow as you said you were in what was it?
An inch, foot, 3 feet of water? I missed that part. Or over time?

The water I crossed at that moment was not a large amount. From taking apart everything I found it was most likely building up over time.
refer to this quote... "so most likely the water had been building up the whole time and slowly being sucked into the intake manifold"

A bump in the road is that right? caused this pool of water in your Intake and manifold on the same car that you were driving before hand with no troubles to suddenly hydrolock?

Yes refer to this quote... "Now our Intake manifold runners curve up which means it pulls the air from the top. When I hit the small dip it wasnt the water but the fact that I hit the dip that caused my engine to choke. My guess is that the bump splashed the water in the intake manifold and the engine then sucked some in."

A bump in the road made your engine do something more spectacular like induce more air or water or fuel? Is that correct?

Nope. refer to above comment

Afterwards of you rexplaination you said, " yeah this is why I really cant wait for the TPR CAI. this way in the rare times it rains here I just pop off the bottom tube and instant SRI".
Is this correct?

Yes, I did write that as you can clearly see in my last post.


Now, I'm not sure if you're trying to mock me or find fault in something I said or what. Might wanna clarify your intentions before you receive some potentially undeserved comments thumbsup


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Jan 2, 11:28pm - #362738 
Shitty deal man, that is exactly why I have kept away from CAI and the fact I live in a area that rains a lot. Blitz short-ram is the way to go!


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Jan 3, 7:48pm - #362739 
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
Originally Posted by hephaestus
You wrote the Intake was building up water because it pooled it up due to AEM's Intake flaw.
Is that correct?
Yes

The Intake manifold was building up water as well?

Yes refer to this quote... "once any amount of water goes into your intake, it gets caught in the intake tube because the first bend is angled up."

You didn't notice anything going wrong especially going as slow as you said you were in what was it?
An inch, foot, 3 feet of water? I missed that part. Or over time?

The water I crossed at that moment was not a large amount. From taking apart everything I found it was most likely building up over time.
refer to this quote... "so most likely the water had been building up the whole time and slowly being sucked into the intake manifold"

A bump in the road is that right? caused this pool of water in your Intake and manifold on the same car that you were driving before hand with no troubles to suddenly hydrolock?

Yes refer to this quote... "Now our Intake manifold runners curve up which means it pulls the air from the top. When I hit the small dip it wasnt the water but the fact that I hit the dip that caused my engine to choke. My guess is that the bump splashed the water in the intake manifold and the engine then sucked some in."

A bump in the road made your engine do something more spectacular like induce more air or water or fuel? Is that correct?

Nope. refer to above comment

Afterwards of you rexplaination you said, " yeah this is why I really cant wait for the TPR CAI. this way in the rare times it rains here I just pop off the bottom tube and instant SRI".
Is this correct?

Yes, I did write that as you can clearly see in my last post.


Now, I'm not sure if you're trying to mock me or find fault in something I said or what. Might wanna clarify your intentions before you receive some potentially undeserved comments thumbsup


No I'm not trying to mock you or find fault and the threat of "some potentially undeserved comment" doesn't persuade me. The answers you wrote were exactly what I expected. What you wrote in the beginning of this says it all. I know where the fault is and so do you. That's all.
I'm just trying to understand the whole situation from your perspective so I don't happen to find myself in that same situation. I'm sorry if I was being a bit elusive or confronting on my questions and once again I'm sorry for your misfortune. Good luck with everything.

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Jan 4, 3:55pm - #362740 
glad it's not bad, mike. that obviously could have turned into a very expensive misfortune.

i'm just going to stick with SRI..we get crazy floods down here...and i'm not interested in tpr's CAI. their exhaust & header does sound good though thumbsup

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Jan 4, 9:50pm - #362741 
eek FUCK...sorry to hear about that mike..i work in fontana..and i know you know as much as me how bad it floods when it rains...thats why i got the SRI..but like someone said up there...the only good thing is that you know how to do all the engine work yourself..if something like that happened to me id be shittn bricks because if have to pay to find out if my engine was fkked..not that you care anymore but my friend said 450 for a 7" screen and dvd player..installed, if you can find a jdm console. i hadnt stopped by until yesterday, so thats why im barely gettn back at you. and about where they would install the dvd player...its up to you..they could even make it work with your stock deck if you wanted. thumbsup

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Jan 5, 12:02am - #362742 
Hey Mike, reading this got me all scared and feelin paranoid, you wanna come down and take my CAI apart for me? wave I don't notice ne thing wrong with the engine at all but still you kinda have that feeling in the back of ur mind.

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Jan 5, 12:32am - #362743 
man this post has made decide to go with an SRI. good post and sorry about your misfortune.

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Jan 6, 7:26pm - #362744 
well compression test came out to 220 psi per cylinder YAY. I also drove it just now and its running beautiful. It's idling at 2k for some reason but I'll have that fixed in no time.


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Jan 6, 7:40pm - #362745 
Good luck Mike thumbsup

That still really sucks that it happened. frown


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Jan 6, 7:55pm - #362746 
YAYYYY can you still make the writhe up grin

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Jan 6, 8:08pm - #362747 
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
well compression test came out to 220 psi per cylinder YAY. I also drove it just now and its running beautiful. It's idling at 2k for some reason but I'll have that fixed in no time.


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Wow, way to go! thumbsup The pics were great, too! thumbsup

If I ever go from the stock Intake, it'll most likely be an SRI, but I might consider a TPR.

I used to live in Berdoo, too, and am pretty familiar with Fontana. When it rains, it pours!


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Jan 6, 11:58pm - #362748 
yeah the tpr is nice cause it is bot the CAI or an SRI. get the best of both worlds.

I'm still gonna do the write up smile jsut takin a lil bit of time cause I'm workin on some other projects right now too smile


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Jan 7, 2:05am - #362749 
hey lucky, or anyone else that might know. the shield that they sell with the AEM and Injen Intakes, doesnt that help keep the water form reaching ur Intake and getting sucked in? do you have that shield? or would a splash still end up getting water to the Intake?


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Jan 7, 2:32am - #362750 
Dont worry man i know how you feel. Just got my car back today with a new engine.


Was leaving the gym at around 12am about a week ago. street lights were out from all the rain. to make a long story short i turned my celi into a submarine in a 3 foot puddle. major hydrolock. Tried to cut the engine but it was too late. Threw a piston rod, cracked a piston and some other minor stuff. after all is said and done $500 deductible to my insurance company and i got a brand new engine straight from good ol' toyota.

on a side note there was about 7 other cars who went in to the puddle after me. 2 of which were celicas and a couple civics.

*edit*

forgot to mention I had no CAI or SRI installed. removed my CAI a couple weeks prior to avoid this. LOL well atleast now i know you can hydrolock with a stock airbox.

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