Previous Thread
Next Thread
New Reply
Print Thread
Rate Thread

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
I just installed lowering springs on my car and they dropped it about or around 2". Now my back tires have a mexican sag! Do I need to get new rear upper control arms to fix this problem? I really dont want my tires to wear crooked. And this lop sided look is gay. Please help the newbie! I mean please help me.

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 75
Member
2001 Toyota Celica
Member
2001 Toyota Celica
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 75
hahaha, mexican sag.

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 188
Member
Member
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 188
Originally Posted by kenshin811
hahaha, mexican sag.

wtf lmao!!!

Last edited by sleepy celica; Dec 18, 2004 1:46pm.

[Linked Image]

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
?


respect the gt-s

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
my back tires lean. the tops lean in a bit making them wear on the inside. I want to make them level.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,408
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,408
get the camber adjusted, its a common problem with lowering the car

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 304
Member
2002 Volkswagon Jetta GLS
Member
2002 Volkswagon Jetta GLS
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 304
get a camber adjustment or if they can't fix it with the stock cambers go and buy an eibach camber kit.. that should fix it..

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
ok so all I need to do is adjust the camber and it should fix it? I wont have to buy anything else to fix it?


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
rem
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
mexican sag... you prejudice mofo rofl. its called negative camber.

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
I must say I really appreciate all the help you guys give me. This site rocks.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
hehe mexican sag was best the term I could think of to describe my problem in less words as possible. And its what all the mexicans cars do around here anyhow.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Here is what my car looks like.
1953391784-Picture 005.jpg


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
rem
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
what drop did you use?

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
eibach something. I got it from a friend who had them on his celica before he traded it in for a lexus is300


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
rem
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,259
eibach sportline?

Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,320
Specialist
2003 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2003 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,320
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!


Fudge The World!
Die Hard, Die Fast, Die Strong & Live Life to its Fullest

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
I think they are the sportline.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 14
Member
2001 Toyota Celica
Member
2001 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 14
i would have to agree with exactly what jetta said you need to be careful driving like that too...dangerous eek


Life begins at 120 mph...

Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,029
Likes: 1
Masta OC
2003 Toyota Celica
Masta OC
2003 Toyota Celica
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,029
Likes: 1
rofl

I give you props for deciding to fix it. You have no idea how many idiots drive around like that.

Get a camber kit... I know a couple of companies make them for our cars. You might get away without fixing the camber on a 1" drop, but not a 2". spineyes


I'm just a crosshair
I'm just a shot away from you

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 52
Member
2005 Toyota Celica GT
Member
2005 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 52
i just dropped my car w/ eibach sportlines. i took it into this reallly good place to get it aligned, and he said that i had BAD - camber, but was able to fix it without using a kit or links or whatever.

mexican sag.. omg. lol

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!

Yeah, something like that! No seriously, fix it as soon as you can if you care about handling. It will gove you understeer like a mother! Yes, I mean understeer not oversteer. How do I know? Well, because I once dropped mine that low and damn. My handling sucked. thumbsdown

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,249
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,249
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!

Yeah, something like that! No seriously, fix it as soon as you can if you care about handling. It will gove you understeer like a mother! Yes, I mean understeer not oversteer. How do I know? Well, because I once dropped mine that low and damn. My handling sucked. thumbsdown

http://www.bmw2002faq.com/suspension_steering/camber.html

"Of the many factors that can affect the handling of your '02, wheel camber is one of the most important. You can spend a large amount of money on tires, wheels, shocks and springs, and sit back and wonder why "lesser" cars continuously outpace you on the track. Chances are, they are just set up better, and part of this setup is getting the camber right.

Negative camber is when the top of the tire tips inward, and positive is when it tips outward. Negative camber is necessary for good cornering performance. The main question is how much. When turning a corner the body rolls and the outside tire is forced to tip outward in relation to the road. This causes the tire to ride on it's outside edge and lose grip rather than being flat on the road. I refer to this as body roll positive camber.

To maintain the best grip we would like the tire tread to remain flat on the road. To compensate for body roll camber change auto manufacturers design in some negative camber. Again the question is how much is the right amount. To improve cornering performance and reduce body roll camber change most tuners (us included) increase roll stiffness via stiffer springs, sway bars and lowering the body (lower center of gravity).

Increasing negative camber is one of the most effective and inexpensive ways to improve handling but is often overlooked on street cars. Negative camber in the 2 degree range will have little effect on tire wear but can have a dramatic affect on reducing understeer. Insufficient negative camber is the reason many driver school students destroy the outside edges of their front tires. For perspective, the front suspension of race cars are usually set up with 3 to 4 degrees (or more) of negative camber. However, this much negative camber would quickly wear out the tires of a street driven car that spends most of it's time going straight."

wtf

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,070
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,070
Originally Posted by RevMonster
rofl

I give you props for deciding to fix it. You have no idea how many idiots drive around like that.

Get a camber kit... I know a couple of companies make them for our cars. You might get away without fixing the camber on a 1" drop, but not a 2". spineyes
I adjusted my camber to meet factory specs without a camber kit, and with a Sportline drop.

I can scan and post the printout of the before and after readings if you want, and if I can find it.


Aqua Teen Hunger Force...number one in the hood, G

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
holy crap! thanks for all that sweet info guys. yeah if you can find those readings that would be sweet.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 647
Senior Member
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Senior Member
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 647
look at my thread in the custom mods forum about the eibach alignment kit. it might be a cheap fix to everyones problem with negative camber! thumbsup

Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 173
Member
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Member
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 173


"Of the many factors that can affect the handling of your '02, wheel camber is one of the most important. You can spend a large amount of money on tires, wheels, shocks and springs, and sit back and wonder why "lesser" cars continuously outpace you on the track. Chances are, they are just set up better, and part of this setup is getting the camber right.

Negative camber is when the top of the tire tips inward, and positive is when it tips outward. Negative camber is necessary for good cornering performance. The main question is how much. When turning a corner the body rolls and the outside tire is forced to tip outward in relation to the road. This causes the tire to ride on it's outside edge and lose grip rather than being flat on the road. I refer to this as body roll positive camber.

To maintain the best grip we would like the tire tread to remain flat on the road. To compensate for body roll camber change auto manufacturers design in some negative camber. Again the question is how much is the right amount. To improve cornering performance and reduce body roll camber change most tuners (us included) increase roll stiffness via stiffer springs, sway bars and lowering the body (lower center of gravity).

Increasing negative camber is one of the most effective and inexpensive ways to improve handling but is often overlooked on street cars. Negative camber in the 2 degree range will have little effect on tire wear but can have a dramatic affect on reducing understeer. Insufficient negative camber is the reason many driver school students destroy the outside edges of their front tires. For perspective, the front suspension of race cars are usually set up with 3 to 4 degrees (or more) of negative camber. However, this much negative camber would quickly wear out the tires of a street driven car that spends most of it's time going straight."

wtf [/quote]

When I lowered my car, the dude who did my camber set it at .9 degrees negative camber- my tires allowed for 1 degree. The wheels looked like they had "mexican sag" so I took it back and he adjusted it to .2 degrees. you can still tell by looking that they're not tottaly straight, but it won't hurt the tire and will help my handling a bit, so what the hey..

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 754
Senior Member
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Senior Member
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 754
I dropped my car with a 2.5 in the rear and 2.25 in the front and the car has a noticable camber in the rear, and i have been driving around with it like that for over a year and there are no signes of uneven wear. As far as handling is conserned your handling should have gotton tighter and better through turns. This is not a bad thing. If it bothers you sell your car and get an SUV or Family Sedan.

Hope the Info helps.


"If your not the lead Dog the View never Changes"

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 348
haha I traded my 00 4 runner lifted and all for my celica. My car does corner like a dream. HOLY CRAP tight turns. I love the way it handels now.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 282
Member
Member
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 282
anytime you change your suspention parts (and definitly after a drop) you will need to an alignment on your car.


Heaven is 8600 RPM's
Join the conversation - Register Now or Log In to add your comment


Link Copied to Clipboard
Member Spotlight
BLACKGHOST
BLACKGHOST
2003 Toyota Celica GT
IL

Posts: 35
Joined: January 2004
Thank you.: Mama thomas, michelle, mike, scooby,leeo,heavensknight crew westbury,ny
Random: Night time is my time come out and play see ya in the streets.
Show All Member Profiles 
Recent Topics
Spyder Headlight LEDs
by Dxnxld - Mar 25, 2024 6:51am
Anyone ever hear this noise?
by CeliacCelica - Mar 21, 2024 10:51am
Clunking sound (not sure where from)
by Juliansky - Mar 20, 2024 3:01am
Does anybody know where i can find a S53 trans rebuild kit?
by MoreRamenNoodles - Mar 19, 2024 8:57pm
Urgent
by SoloXKay - Mar 19, 2024 11:58am
OEM speedometer on aftermarket ecu
by Penaman99 - Mar 5, 2024 11:23am
Brake master cylinder
by Nigel100 - Mar 5, 2024 2:45am
newly purchased 2000 GTS
by CantShift - Feb 27, 2024 9:06pm
Customize Your Toyota Celica Privacy Policy · About · Contact
Privacy Policy · About · Contact
CelicaHobby.com is an independent Toyota Celica enthusiast website. CelicaHobby.com is not sponsored by or affiliated with Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. in any way. The Toyota and Celica names and logos are trademarks owned by Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc.
© CelicaHobby.com, 2001-2024
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0
(Preview build 20230331)