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Dec 18, 12:29pm - #354270 
2" drop and lop sided tires!?

I just installed lowering springs on my car and they dropped it about or around 2". Now my back tires have a mexican sag! Do I need to get new rear upper control arms to fix this problem? I really dont want my tires to wear crooked. And this lop sided look is gay. Please help the newbie! I mean please help me.

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Dec 18, 12:36pm - #354271 
hahaha, mexican sag.

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Dec 18, 1:46pm - #354272 
Originally Posted by kenshin811

hahaha, mexican sag.


wtf lmao!!!


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Dec 18, 1:53pm - #354273 
?


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Dec 18, 2:07pm - #354274 
my back tires lean. the tops lean in a bit making them wear on the inside. I want to make them level.


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Dec 18, 2:08pm - #354275 
get the camber adjusted, its a common problem with lowering the car

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Dec 18, 2:28pm - #354276 
get a camber adjustment or if they can't fix it with the stock cambers go and buy an eibach camber kit.. that should fix it..


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Dec 18, 2:28pm - #354277 
ok so all I need to do is adjust the camber and it should fix it? I wont have to buy anything else to fix it?


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Dec 18, 2:30pm - #354278 
mexican sag... you prejudice mofo rofl. its called negative camber.

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Dec 18, 2:42pm - #354279 
I must say I really appreciate all the help you guys give me. This site rocks.


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Dec 18, 2:44pm - #354280 
hehe mexican sag was best the term I could think of to describe my problem in less words as possible. And its what all the mexicans cars do around here anyhow.


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Dec 18, 2:52pm - #354281 
Here is what my car looks like.

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Dec 18, 3:01pm - #354282 
what drop did you use?

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Dec 18, 3:21pm - #354283 
eibach something. I got it from a friend who had them on his celica before he traded it in for a lexus is300


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Dec 18, 4:32pm - #354284 
eibach sportline?

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Dec 18, 5:22pm - #354285 
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!


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Dec 18, 7:53pm - #354286 
I think they are the sportline.


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Dec 18, 10:12pm - #354287 
i would have to agree with exactly what jetta said you need to be careful driving like that too...dangerous eek


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Dec 18, 10:34pm - #354288 
rofl

I give you props for deciding to fix it. You have no idea how many idiots drive around like that.

Get a camber kit... I know a couple of companies make them for our cars. You might get away without fixing the camber on a 1" drop, but not a 2". spineyes


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Dec 19, 1:28pm - #354289 
i just dropped my car w/ eibach sportlines. i took it into this reallly good place to get it aligned, and he said that i had BAD - camber, but was able to fix it without using a kit or links or whatever.

mexican sag.. omg. lol

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Dec 20, 9:04am - #354290 
Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!


Yeah, something like that! No seriously, fix it as soon as you can if you care about handling. It will gove you understeer like a mother! Yes, I mean understeer not oversteer. How do I know? Well, because I once dropped mine that low and damn. My handling sucked. thumbsdown

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Dec 20, 5:24pm - #354291 
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
get the hotchkis rear adjustable camber alingment links, or whatever, i have a brain block right now, thats the best thing to use to fix that prob!!


Yeah, something like that! No seriously, fix it as soon as you can if you care about handling. It will gove you understeer like a mother! Yes, I mean understeer not oversteer. How do I know? Well, because I once dropped mine that low and damn. My handling sucked. thumbsdown


http://www.bmw2002faq.com/suspension_steering/camber.html

"Of the many factors that can affect the handling of your '02, wheel camber is one of the most important. You can spend a large amount of money on tires, wheels, shocks and springs, and sit back and wonder why "lesser" cars continuously outpace you on the track. Chances are, they are just set up better, and part of this setup is getting the camber right.

Negative camber is when the top of the tire tips inward, and positive is when it tips outward. Negative camber is necessary for good cornering performance. The main question is how much. When turning a corner the body rolls and the outside tire is forced to tip outward in relation to the road. This causes the tire to ride on it's outside edge and lose grip rather than being flat on the road. I refer to this as body roll positive camber.

To maintain the best grip we would like the tire tread to remain flat on the road. To compensate for body roll camber change auto manufacturers design in some negative camber. Again the question is how much is the right amount. To improve cornering performance and reduce body roll camber change most tuners (us included) increase roll stiffness via stiffer springs, sway bars and lowering the body (lower center of gravity).

Increasing negative camber is one of the most effective and inexpensive ways to improve handling but is often overlooked on street cars. Negative camber in the 2 degree range will have little effect on tire wear but can have a dramatic affect on reducing understeer. Insufficient negative camber is the reason many driver school students destroy the outside edges of their front tires. For perspective, the front suspension of race cars are usually set up with 3 to 4 degrees (or more) of negative camber. However, this much negative camber would quickly wear out the tires of a street driven car that spends most of it's time going straight."

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Dec 20, 8:15pm - #354292 
Originally Posted by RevMonster
rofl

I give you props for deciding to fix it. You have no idea how many idiots drive around like that.

Get a camber kit... I know a couple of companies make them for our cars. You might get away without fixing the camber on a 1" drop, but not a 2". spineyes
I adjusted my camber to meet factory specs without a camber kit, and with a Sportline drop.

I can scan and post the printout of the before and after readings if you want, and if I can find it.


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Dec 20, 10:37pm - #354293 
holy crap! thanks for all that sweet info guys. yeah if you can find those readings that would be sweet.


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Dec 21, 3:26pm - #354294 
look at my thread in the custom mods forum about the eibach alignment kit. it might be a cheap fix to everyones problem with negative camber! thumbsup

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Dec 27, 8:57pm - #354295 


"Of the many factors that can affect the handling of your '02, wheel camber is one of the most important. You can spend a large amount of money on tires, wheels, shocks and springs, and sit back and wonder why "lesser" cars continuously outpace you on the track. Chances are, they are just set up better, and part of this setup is getting the camber right.

Negative camber is when the top of the tire tips inward, and positive is when it tips outward. Negative camber is necessary for good cornering performance. The main question is how much. When turning a corner the body rolls and the outside tire is forced to tip outward in relation to the road. This causes the tire to ride on it's outside edge and lose grip rather than being flat on the road. I refer to this as body roll positive camber.

To maintain the best grip we would like the tire tread to remain flat on the road. To compensate for body roll camber change auto manufacturers design in some negative camber. Again the question is how much is the right amount. To improve cornering performance and reduce body roll camber change most tuners (us included) increase roll stiffness via stiffer springs, sway bars and lowering the body (lower center of gravity).

Increasing negative camber is one of the most effective and inexpensive ways to improve handling but is often overlooked on street cars. Negative camber in the 2 degree range will have little effect on tire wear but can have a dramatic affect on reducing understeer. Insufficient negative camber is the reason many driver school students destroy the outside edges of their front tires. For perspective, the front suspension of race cars are usually set up with 3 to 4 degrees (or more) of negative camber. However, this much negative camber would quickly wear out the tires of a street driven car that spends most of it's time going straight."

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When I lowered my car, the dude who did my camber set it at .9 degrees negative camber- my tires allowed for 1 degree. The wheels looked like they had "mexican sag" so I took it back and he adjusted it to .2 degrees. you can still tell by looking that they're not tottaly straight, but it won't hurt the tire and will help my handling a bit, so what the hey..

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Jan 2, 8:04am - #354296 
I dropped my car with a 2.5 in the rear and 2.25 in the front and the car has a noticable camber in the rear, and i have been driving around with it like that for over a year and there are no signes of uneven wear. As far as handling is conserned your handling should have gotton tighter and better through turns. This is not a bad thing. If it bothers you sell your car and get an SUV or Family Sedan.

Hope the Info helps.


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Jan 2, 4:57pm - #354297 
haha I traded my 00 4 runner lifted and all for my celica. My car does corner like a dream. HOLY CRAP tight turns. I love the way it handels now.


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Jan 3, 5:29pm - #354298 
anytime you change your suspention parts (and definitly after a drop) you will need to an alignment on your car.


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