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FloydianSlip6 Dec 16, 9:42pm - #353057 

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When did this trend start?

no offense to anyone, but since when has the trend been to avoid buying good quality tested products. It was always a goal to save money, but I don't think I've ever seen SO many people trying to avoid buying real products. Everyone seems to want an eBay Intake, or wants to add a leafblower to their stock airbox or some other crazy idea. I remember it used to be Short Ram or CAI, and what kind. Now it's become... what if I get a 1/4" drill bit and drill 4 holes here here and here, will THAT give me more HP? no. Ok, well I was talking to this guy from eBay and he said...

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spectraGTS Dec 16, 9:48pm - #353058 

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Yeah I got into with some people about ebay CAIs and Injen or AEM quality the other night. Everyone seems to be out of money or something. I don't know.
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sbocaj55 Dec 16, 10:00pm - #353059 

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Well pretty much since "The Fast and the Furious" came out...the growth of interest in import (and some domestic) sport compacts has grown exponentially. Now almost every younger adult guy who owns a compact car wants to do SOMETHING to it so he can be like the type of guys in those movies. Because the percentage of people that can actually afford a decent sport compact AND add into it it's retail value worth of performance, cosmetic, I.C.E mods etc is very very small...you see most people trying to do as much as possible with as little as possible. Not many guys can afford the top of the line original parts...but too many guys DON'T realize that it isn't impressive to have a bunch of no-name 'performance parts' on your car which aren't even dyno proven...and probably decrease the performance from stock to be honest. I dunno probably too many people trying to be someone they aren't.

...at least that's my opinion

I'm sorta guilty of this...i mean i wouldn't have ever seen a 'ricer' if it wasn't for those movies...i mean...we're mostly hicks around here...but once i saw it i got obsessed and well i try to do what i can with what i can...but i would never put a leafblower in my car.. spineyes
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:16pm - #353060 

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now i know this angry thread is kidna pointed toward me for somewhat advocating the purchasing of cheap products. In my defense, I promote it, but do not practice it. I know there are people who either cannot afford, are impaitent, or belive that lables are evil smile For these poor sad individuals, there are alternatives such as the blue bomber mod. I like to give poeple the opportunity to do these without persecution. You have to be open minded to waht people do to their cars. Its their car, if they want to make a 2x4 into a wing, and like it, then by god let them. hey it atleast gives the rest of us something to laugh at smile There are jsut to many judgemental people who need to let those who liek things the cheap way be themselves. if they liek it, thats all that shoudl matter. Thats prettymuch all i have to say on this subject and i appologiese for making you so angry tha tu had to make this forum smile

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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:19pm - #353061 

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and yes i did poast the leafblower comment on another forum becsaue i saw a video o some guy who did it and i thought it was halarious. so as a joke i said you coudl jsut put a piece of pvc pipe on your engine, with ac filter as your Intake. then have an adapter for leafblower smile some peopel need ot jsut sit back and enjoy life instead of being so criticle.

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sickcelica696 Dec 16, 10:22pm - #353062 
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then there is just the less fortunate, who can't save enough to do real things. If the type of modifaction is in their budget and a ripoff then so what, for those people they give their heart and soul out there everyday working a 9-5 to support themselves and get by, so the only thing that can help them achieve their dreams while not bankrupting them is "no-name" or lesser quality parts. So before you start laying into some guy about his ebay body kit which is taking money from the real companys (like taking music on napster), maybe try and see it from his walk of life. thumbsup
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:23pm - #353063 

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sickcelica696 Dec 16, 10:27pm - #353064 
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plus,one of the recent articles i read in one of those tuner mags(super street,import scene...one of them) had a top 10 list of tips for making a modded ride. On the list was ebay and its great variety of stuff and prices
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combatc87 Dec 16, 10:29pm - #353065 

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the only fake part i've even considered buying is a wing. i was gonna buy a wings west v-line, but then when i saw the comparison thread between it and the TRD one, it made me change my mind, but i don't have the money to buy a reaql TRD wing, and i would rather spend less on one without the 3rd brake light (fake or otherwise) because i really don't need it.

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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:30pm - #353066 

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if an avg joe feels good with his cheap mods, then dont ruin it by smashing down his pride. I agree that it started with F&F, but so what, if people have fun cheap modding their car let them be.

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It has nothing to do with ebay, it is what they sell. Can you really get HP from a $35 exhaust? Nope. But when you go on ebay and buy a garrett turbo for 150 bucks cheaper then it is a good deal.
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:31pm - #353068 

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But if a man who can only afford a $35 exhaust makes him feel spiffy then thats good for him.

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sickcelica696 Dec 16, 10:33pm - #353069 
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can you find an exhaust for 35$ damn!!! I'd be all on that eek
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:36pm - #353070 

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first yes you can get a $35 exhaust. type in apexi or greddy; there are 1000's .Second, yeah I feel you about a man that cant afford mods, but dont come out and brag about how you have an exhaust that added 10-15 HP. Just complete ignorance. I guess ignorance is what annoys me more than anything.
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:43pm - #353072 

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in agree, if you buy cheap, dont expect to outprofrom something that is tested tuned and full of power. but i dont think people shoudl be alienated for not having the best. if someone is ignorant and claiming their $0.01 + $40 shipping exhaust will outdo a TRD/tpr then you smack them around a bit for the fun of it. grin slap

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tido Dec 16, 10:47pm - #353073 

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i have an ebay Intake and i know it doesnt give me a lot of power but its prolly more effective than a SRI...alot of people just inquiry about it bc they want to do the bluebomber mod, all i do is tell them about how my experience was and that i like it...IMO it makes more since to spend 30 dollars or less and do the bluebomber mod than doing it with the 100+ Intake...
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 10:51pm - #353074 

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i'd bet it woudl prob outdo a SRI. i like mine becsaue i think it looks and soudns spiffy smile that and rmm makes some good stuff. Also florida, esp where i am from is natorious for flooding. See now if ur like tido, ur happy with what you have and the money you have left over, then by gummit good for you.

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n8mulder Dec 16, 11:12pm - #353075 

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Hey if it looks good and fits right, I say do it. I don't think every person tries to save a penny, maybe some do, but I think the majority of people just have creative minds and want to design new things. Everybody wants to by the brand everybody else has or what the market is advertising. I know quite a few people that make there own stuff for there cars and it looks damn good. If you have the idea, well give it a shot, it doesn't hurt to try right.

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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 11:18pm - #353076 

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unless its putting a leaf blower on a car wink hey even that too. if it makes you feel spiffy then go ahead.

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n8mulder Dec 16, 11:29pm - #353077 

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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas

unless its putting a leaf blower on a car wink hey even that too. if it makes you feel spiffy then go ahead.



Yep, just paint that leaf blower and put a turbo sticker on it...lol

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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 11:31pm - #353078 

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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas
i'd bet it woudl prob outdo a SRI. i like mine becsaue i think it looks and soudns spiffy smile that and rmm makes some good stuff. Also florida, esp where i am from is natorious for flooding. See now if ur like tido, ur happy with what you have and the money you have left over, then by gummit good for you.


im not hatin on the SRI at all man! sorry if i came across like i do, i am happy with what i got and just bc someone says ebay Intakes suck and not worth it doesnt mean its always true..if someone with a AEM Intake wanted to race me with my ebay Intake, i bet he wont win..not sayin i would win either...point is...i hope you guys dont think that bc i got the cheap CAI that you can beat me...lol..bc thats ignorance...
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hombredelassrtas Dec 16, 11:42pm - #353080 

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lol no no bro it didnt come across that you were hating on SRI smile i was just stating my opinion aobut my own wink all is good smile i say good for u. "dman the man, save the empire" wink

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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas
"dman the man, save the empire" wink


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hombredelassrtas Dec 17, 12:05am - #353082 

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FloydianSlip6 Dec 17, 12:16am - #353083 

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Originally Posted by hombredelassrtas
now i know this angry thread is kidna pointed toward me for somewhat advocating the purchasing of cheap products. In my defense, I promote it, but do not practice it. I know there are people who either cannot afford, are impaitent, or belive that lables are evil smile For these poor sad individuals, there are alternatives such as the blue bomber mod. I like to give poeple the opportunity to do these without persecution. You have to be open minded to waht people do to their cars. Its their car, if they want to make a 2x4 into a wing, and like it, then by god let them. hey it atleast gives the rest of us something to laugh at smile There are jsut to many judgemental people who need to let those who liek things the cheap way be themselves. if they liek it, thats all that shoudl matter. Thats prettymuch all i have to say on this subject and i appologiese for making you so angry tha tu had to make this forum smile


sorry for the long quote. I promise this thread isn't pointed at you. I think you're a great guy and have no probs with you. I forget that it was you who posted the leaf blower thing, i remember watching it and laughing my ass off. The point I was making is for some reason it seems there are more and more people that don't see that as a joke, but as a decent idea. It's not so much the people that get the things that get me upset, but it's the people that propegate products that are bad for your car or give out false information because they think they know everything. I think that's what really gets me. Is when someone gets their head filled with shit because someone thinks they know everything about cars cause they watched the Fast and the Furious. This topic came more from a convo I was having with a Euro tuner friend of mine about one of his friends who thinks he's God's gift to cars. I promise it's not about you. I've just been trying to clear up a lot of misonceptions lately and felt the need to vent. The timing was bad and made it seem like it was your fault. I think you're a great guy. thumbsup
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awwwww grin. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside smileno problem bro. all a misunderstanding. i undertsand where your coming from. jsut bad timing with the other thread we were chatting on. We all need ot be able to express our feeling without persecution. thats the point of this whoel free speach thing. us friggin americans and our rights happywink . and we all need to vent every now and then

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Just cause it's expensive doesnt mean it works either smile look at trial.

even DC sports is more of a name brand and isnt worth it.

also if people werent willing to try new things the power fc NEVER wouda become popular, cams would not even be thought of still and other things.

sometimes its guys in their garage trying to make things better that in the end get the job done. thumbsup

granted people say some stupid things but hey ya just never know.

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FloydianSlip6 Dec 17, 12:45am - #353086 

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^ yeah that's definately true Lucky, it's all about research. It's kinda like Easy-C and what I was saying before. I really respect him for making it happen for him and his business. I think the timing of the whole situation just put a bad taste in my mouth with TPR. Once the thing really starts up I think it stands to make some real advancements. I just wish more new people did real research instead of just running their mouths with catch phrases and buzzwords and stuff.
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people buy ebay Intakes?? who the hell does that? i would hit you if you did that
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Chelica815 Dec 17, 8:32am - #353089 
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I understand where you are coming from but for me, I do not mind it at all. I just think of it as user pref. This goes for all things, not just modding the Celi. If a guy have a shitty job when compared to yours but he is satisfied with it, so be it. If a guy have an ugly looking girl in your point of view, so be it. If a guy has a cheap knock off Intake but he is satisfied with it, then be it.

I mean, most of us, well I am speaking on my behalf, do not have that much spending money when it comes down to modding my ride. I have tons of other crap to pay for. When I purchase something for my car that is like $15 bucks or something, like the S2K antenna, I feel real good about it. Does not matter how much it cost.

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drkramm Dec 17, 12:42pm - #353090 
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i have a ebay SRI despite shitty instructions it works perfectly fine came with a k&n in the box looks exatly like the Injen SRI

jsut because its cheap doesn't mean its shitty

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sickcelica696 Dec 17, 1:02pm - #353091 
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Originally Posted by drkramm
i have a ebay SRI despite shitty instructions it works perfectly fine came with a k&n in the box looks exatly like the Injen SRI

jsut because its cheap doesn't mean its shitty


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I would rather wait five months and buy a $200 TPR CAI than to go out and buy a $35 dollar peice of shit that somebody made in there garage. I believe in buying dyno proven, quality parts that have been tested. The reason Injen and AEM Intakes are expensive is because you are paying for not only the materials, but the time invested and designing and testing before the final product is released. Why do you think turbo kits cost so much? It costs a lot of time and money to do all that research and making parts from scratch. You get what you pay for and I am willing to spend a little extra money.
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Originally Posted by Poisoner
I would rather wait five months and buy a $200 TPR CAI than to go out and buy a $35 dollar peice of shit that somebody made in there garage. I believe in buying dyno proven, quality parts that have been tested. The reason Injen and AEM intakes are expensive is because you are paying for not only the materials, but the time invested and designing and testing before the final product is released. Why do you think turbo kits cost so much? It costs a lot of time and money to do all that research and making parts from scratch. You get what you pay for and I am willing to spend a little extra money.


i don't remember who did it first or what but i do remember seeing blue bombers ebay Intake mod which is basically the excat same thing as the tpr jsut kinda thrown togeater they both get most there benifits from using the fins liek the stock air box to help get the air smooth and to hit maf correctly

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ok, while we are on the subject i am 20 and i own a house a truck and my celica i am married, and i have baby so that doesnt leave a lot of money left over for my passion of cars. granted i would never do anything to my car that i havent researched a lot so whoever puts a leafblower in their car is not helping their cause for more hp if they would do the research but if something is inexpensive and in my pricerange and is better than stock then why not get it but if you dont have a lot of money to spend then spend it wisely on a good product -for the record fast and furious cant be blamed for everything i for one have loved cars ever since i can remember but i am sure that back in the hot rod days people were doing stupid things and there was no fast and furious...

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Originally Posted by spectraGTS
Yeah I got into with some people about ebay CAIs and Injen or AEM quality the other night. Everyone seems to be out of money or something. I don't know.

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Originally Posted by celicadragon
ok, while we are on the subject i am 20 and i own a house a truck and my celica i am married, and i have baby so that doesnt leave a lot of money left over for my passion of cars. granted i would never do anything to my car that i havent researched a lot so whoever puts a leafblower in their car is not helping their cause for more hp if they would do the research but if something is inexpensive and in my pricerange and is better than stock then why not get it but if you dont have a lot of money to spend then spend it wisely on a good product -for the record fast and furious cant be blamed for everything i for one have loved cars ever since i can remember but i am sure that back in the hot rod days people were doing stupid things and there was no fast and furious...


That's def. true. The way I see it though, some things that are cheao can be BAD for your car, know what I mean. For me I paid for my car and I pay for all the stuff I do to it, like most people on here. It seems irresponsible to take a piece of machinery that you could have spent around $25,000 for, and then start throwing on $35 exhausts and Intakes just because. It's not so much that people do it, it's that this proliforates the idea that everything in autos is the same and it's not. There is a difference between a well designed Intake and just some random pipe that ends up in your wheel well. Will both SOUND the same sure, but SOUND doesn't mean performance, moreover, just cause your car feels better doesn't necessarily mean it is actually better. It's one thing to do something tacky that others don't believe in, it's another thing to compromise the mechanical integrity of your vehicle.
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Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
It's one thing to do something tacky that others don't believe in, it's another thing to compromise the mechanical integrity of your vehicle.


Amen brother! I think everyone wants QUALITY parts. Thats a good thing. We all just have to keep in mind that there are quality parts out there, but a leaf blower is quality when used on leafs, not engines. I know that there are some people who defend products that don't cost as much, but sometimes you gotta pay for the reseach that went into the products we buy. If it wasn't for Injen or AEM's engineers doing all the research, then we wouldn't have the ebay CAI. I know that everyone isn't rich. Thats why it took me 3 months since I've had my GTS to buy a CAI. I could have bought an ebay one for under $50, but I wanted performance. So I SAVED my money. What a concept? I'm sure we all work hard to make the payments for our cars, so why can't we save a little for the parts we put on? Thats the problem. We all want it now.
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tido Dec 17, 10:55pm - #353101 

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so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 Intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an Intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay Intake...
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tido Dec 17, 10:56pm - #353102 

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Originally Posted by g96818

^^ go hit tido slap laughsilly


do you even have a celica???? lookin at your profile...looks like you said you have a mazda... wtf


and since when did tuning your car become about pleasing other people?? so you have go ask someone if you can put parts in your car??? i always thought tuning was about being unique, and different...
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spectraGTS Dec 17, 11:01pm - #353103 

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If you were going to put a turbo in it, then why did you buy an Intake at all? Just put that money twards the turbo.
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tido Dec 17, 11:05pm - #353104 

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why do anything to your car if you plan on doing a turbo set up??? 50 dollars wont even cover shipping...im point is a lot of people try to go n/a and start buying headers, Intake, the works...then they go turbo...they just wasted all that money...thats what im getting at...
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spectraGTS Dec 17, 11:08pm - #353105 

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Originally Posted by tido
so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay intake...


I was just using your logic on this one. Why buy a $50 Intake then?
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tido Dec 17, 11:08pm - #353106 

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im not gonna put a leaf blower or anything on...i've never heard of that till this thread...how much hp is your AEM Intake getting over my ebay Intake? is it a 10+ gain???
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