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Hmmm...wishful thinking #348160 Dec 10, 1:01am Dec 10, 1:01am
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Hmmm...wishful thinking
Ok, so I hope we all know that the Celica is FWD I-4. Now, put yourself in the lead engineers shoes. If you could have the celica designed differently, would you:

-give it RWD or AWD? Why?

Totally seperate issue: V6, I6 or t/c I4? Why?


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: jyboygenius] #348161 Dec 10, 1:49am Dec 10, 1:49am
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awd... i could get off the line better...

rwd would make all the fake drifters have a celica...

l6 t/c vvtli would be really cool... i would doubt that
by the way you think that 8th gen motor will fit the 7th gen easy- somewhat hard - hard- or never will work?

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: gts_drew] #348162 Dec 10, 9:10am Dec 10, 9:10am
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RWD. A reliable T/C I4 is fine. grin

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: BReakinDrifTs] #348163 Dec 10, 9:51am Dec 10, 9:51am
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Boy you sure are stuck on the RWD/FWD thing. Which Celica gens were FWD, and which RWD, I wonder:

Gens 1-3, RWD
Gens 4-7, FWD (AllTrac was a Gen 4)

The later gens also had more HP.

I dunno, I guess I'd still like to see FWD, but it would be nice to have an AWD option.

I do agree that a 500 HP FWD tC is insane, and that it should be RWD. But raw HP has never been the Celica trademark. That was reserved for the Supra. A combination of speed and handling has always been what the Celica is about, and FWD (or AWD) supports that concept best.

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: ExNihilo] #348164 Dec 10, 10:56am Dec 10, 10:56am
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True, but we're dreaming here. Celica is gonna be axed anyways...so...what the hell, have some fun.

Me, I'd prefer an AWD platform, coupled with the t/c 4. Then again, I don't know much about toyota's awd systems, they're untested.

Exnihlo, you just said that handling is the celica forte...FWD will never handle better than a RWD or AWD. Find me more than five examples where a FWD can school RWD/AWD on slalom numbers.

Speed. Put serious numbers on a fwd and all you'll get is excessive torque steer and loss of traction. Torque steer leads back to the issue of decreased handling.

Sounds like you're actually talking about RWD. happywink


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: ExNihilo] #348165 Dec 10, 10:57am Dec 10, 10:57am
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Assuming the weight could be balanced 50/50, then I'd want RWD. Better handling. You'd probably have to change engine placement though, and then you're competing with your own MR2.

It would be nice to have an I6 with a little more torque, but would you still be able to keep the engine all-aluminum and put up decent power numbers up? If not then it's increased weight, and I wouldn't want the car any heavier than it is.

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: gts_drew] #348166 Dec 11, 8:12am Dec 11, 8:12am
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I seen an AWD matrix and it pisses me off since it's similar to a celica powertrain-wise. The next logical step would have been to make the 7th gen AWD.

Damn matrix

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: robare99] #348167 Dec 11, 1:00pm Dec 11, 1:00pm
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damn...i say brign back the celica supra and make the 8th gen a celica inspired body with a supra inspired engine and rwd... inline 6 to make plenty of room for twin turbo!


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: CARBON_SYPHER] #348168 Dec 11, 2:53pm Dec 11, 2:53pm
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I'd say make a 7th gen all trac, that would be a great move tongue so...in that reguard...AWD


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: sakara] #348169 Dec 11, 4:41pm Dec 11, 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by sakara
I'd say make a 7th gen all trac, that would be a great move tongue so...in that reguard...AWD

i would like to have one tasty

Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: kmlgts] #348170 Dec 11, 9:36pm Dec 11, 9:36pm
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i say AWD with a T/C I-4 like those in the impressa or EVO.


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: Elec-FuYu] #348171 Dec 11, 9:58pm Dec 11, 9:58pm
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To keep with the I-4 and RWD celica heritage. It would be a 2.5 liter engine, ball bearing t3 turbo, intercooled, Boost controller. 5spd for GT, 6spd for TRD and GTS. Gauge suite (oil, amps, fule mix.)

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GT - 200hp - RWD, standard 2.5l i-4, limited slip, 16's, VVTL-i.
GTS - 256hp - RWD, turbo, limited slip, Electronic Torque Distribution, VVTL-i, lowered, 17's, Gauge suite.
TRD GTS- 270hp - RWD, turbo, limited slip, Electronic Torque Distribution, TRD body kit, HIDS, VVTL-i, 17's lightwieght, Gauge suite, TRD Suspension.


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Re: Hmmm...wishful thinking [Re: Polykarb] #348172 Dec 11, 10:18pm Dec 11, 10:18pm
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to keep it simple, all celica should be AWD I4, and charger would be more ideal...

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