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Vlad Dec 9, 10:39pm - #347587 
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TPR exhaust vs Catback

Everyone always talks about the TPR exhaust and im agreeing that it is the best out there from the axle backs but i wanted to know how much more hp a catback exhuast would give you . thnx
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skym Dec 10, 1:33am - #347588 
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do you mean axle back vs. catback?
they are the same thing for celicas...unless you do custom catback piping

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no such thing as catback for celica...

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Pnoy Dec 10, 1:44am - #347590 
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so greedy evo2 is not a catback? i tought it was? idunnoTPR who? I still haven't seen anyone with the actual exhaust installed on the car. But there are a LOT of RUMORS going on around the forums that they have the "best gains" amongst axle back exhaust.
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no, we can't have a catback unless you make it custom and with that, it won't do anything anyway.

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Vlad Dec 10, 4:15am - #347592 
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ahh ok ic thnx for straitening me out i guess im going with TPR
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Easy_C Dec 10, 4:48pm - #347593 
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Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics?

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celicajonz Dec 10, 4:51pm - #347594 
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
no such thing as catback for celica...


kazuma grin
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ragingpaseo Dec 10, 7:06pm - #347595 
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yeah, kazuma no?
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Pnoy Dec 10, 9:52pm - #347596 
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kazuma is catback isn't it? well...kazuma are badass exhaust but it sucks having them in the US streets grin
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Eman Dec 10, 9:55pm - #347597 

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whats this TPR business...im must of not beein paying attentin in class...anyone want to summerize.

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BlkCelicaGT07 Dec 10, 9:57pm - #347598 

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Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops. thumbsup
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Pnoy Dec 10, 9:58pm - #347599 
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post the link BlkCelicaGT07 I heard about those valve from a friend where you can actually lower the noice from the exhaust but I just can't find 1 for celica. frown
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http://www.arospeed.com/default.php?cPath=22_43_45&osCsid=b6eb516e4978e79b5e0693e035a9157a

the car make is no different they are all made to fit two and a half inch piping.
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Pnoy Dec 10, 10:01pm - #347601 
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yeah...but those are not for Celica... post some pics of it installed in your car.
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BlkCelicaGT07 Dec 10, 10:05pm - #347602 

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The car model makes NO DIFFERENCE, like i said its made to fit 2 1/2" piping. They are all the same exact thing. it doesnt matter which one you buy it will still work.
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kazuma is not a catback...kazuma eliminates the cat, therefore, its not right after the cat (catback).

you can't have a catback made unless you weld, its just the way the piping was made on the celica.

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so then what would you call the kazuma? just straight pipe?
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Pnoy Dec 10, 10:20pm - #347605 
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops. thumbsup


i'm so interested...post some sound clips of your kazuma exhaust if you have any... thumbsup
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i dont have any personal clips of my kazuma, but heres one from a site. . .
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keep in mind that this clip doesnt do this exhaust any justice. . .it is insanly loud. thumbsup
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BlkCelicaGT07 Dec 10, 10:28pm - #347608 

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here is the site i bought it off of. . .
http://www.wctoyotasport.com/TRD/index.htm

and pics of it when i had to take it off.
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Lucky_317 Dec 10, 10:34pm - #347610 

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I'm pretty sure the kazuma doesn't remove the cat.

to have a cat back on a celica you have to have the pipe cut and welded in place. it's not a simple bolt on like an axle back setup.

IMO there's really nothing you'll gain from having a cat back system.

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kazuma gains 20hp at the drive wheels.
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last i read, the kazuma elimates the cat, so from who i read if from, they are either right or wrong.
why do you think it's illegal and for race? race cars have no cats.
otherwise, anyone could make a kazuma exhaust from a TRD by takin the resonator off since the rest of the piping is the essentially the same.
kazuma does not gain 20hp at the wheels, all it does is free up more flow and gain a little more than an axle back.

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Vlad Dec 11, 6:57am - #347613 
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wats hp gain to the wheels on tpr just wondering
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Easy_C Dec 11, 8:16am - #347614 
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i got 10.5 whp. someone in cali got like 19whp with the TPR i/e combo...

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BlkCelicaGT07 Dec 11, 8:30am - #347615 

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uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.
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Easy_C Dec 11, 2:47pm - #347616 
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07

uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno...

I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less...

Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp wink

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sickcelica696 Dec 11, 2:51pm - #347617 
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Originally Posted by Easy_C
Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics?

I think its still rumors when theres no real pics
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Originally Posted by Easy_C
Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno...

I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less...

Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp wink


I would definately expect a loss at low end due to the fact of less back pressure. However, I would also expect the top end of the kazuma to be higher than the TPR. It just would make sense.
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


you're trying to tell me to listen to you? rolleyes

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i will admit that kazuma causes a loss of low end, but not to much to the point where its noticable. Not to me at least. but when kazuma hits high end the damn thing just fucking kicks sooooo hard. and i do know this from experience. I can honestly say that when i had the kazuma on i noticed major power increase, and the slight loss of low end was worth it.
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RaptorGTS Dec 11, 9:26pm - #347621 
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maybe but not 20whp difference. Its about 12 like easy-c said
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here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with Injen CAI.. no muffler.. no acessory belt..
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here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with JUST Injen CAI..
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not even sure how to read a dyno, and the first one is just no muffler but i figured id post these anyways.
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you lose low end cause there's no cat and nothing else to back it up

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yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.
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Easy_C Dec 12, 12:25am - #347627 
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.


Try city driving with no low end wink

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Originally Posted by Easy_C

Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07

yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.


Try city driving with no low end wink


i did...not really a problem because the loss of low end isnt a very big loss at all.
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having good low and high end beats having a good high end.

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your right, thats why it doesnt bother me to have the kazuma, because the loss is so minimal its like there is no loss. grin
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yeah on that Injen CAI+no muffler dyno.. there's so much low end power loss i would never get that. Again, daily driving with be insane. I have problems with the STOCK low end power with daily driving and i find myself going all the way up to 4-5k rpm cause the low end power is so bad. the top end would be great to have but i think equal is better.
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Easy_C Dec 12, 6:59pm - #347632 
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id sacrifice 2 whp up high to get 15 whp down low smile

but to each his own

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so wat would be good for down low
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