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TPR exhaust vs Catback #347587 Dec 9, 2:39pm Dec 9, 2:39pm
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TPR exhaust vs Catback
Everyone always talks about the TPR exhaust and im agreeing that it is the best out there from the axle backs but i wanted to know how much more hp a catback exhuast would give you . thnx

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Vlad] #347588 Dec 9, 5:33pm Dec 9, 5:33pm
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do you mean axle back vs. catback?
they are the same thing for celicas...unless you do custom catback piping


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: skym] #347589 Dec 9, 5:36pm Dec 9, 5:36pm
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no such thing as catback for celica...


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347590 Dec 9, 5:44pm Dec 9, 5:44pm
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so greedy evo2 is not a catback? i tought it was? idunnoTPR who? I still haven't seen anyone with the actual exhaust installed on the car. But there are a LOT of RUMORS going on around the forums that they have the "best gains" amongst axle back exhaust.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Pnoy] #347591 Dec 9, 5:46pm Dec 9, 5:46pm
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no, we can't have a catback unless you make it custom and with that, it won't do anything anyway.


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347592 Dec 9, 8:15pm Dec 9, 8:15pm
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ahh ok ic thnx for straitening me out i guess im going with TPR

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Vlad] #347593 Dec 10, 8:48am Dec 10, 8:48am
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Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics?


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347594 Dec 10, 8:51am Dec 10, 8:51am
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
no such thing as catback for celica...


kazuma grin

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: celicajonz] #347595 Dec 10, 11:06am Dec 10, 11:06am
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yeah, kazuma no?

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: ragingpaseo] #347596 Dec 10, 1:52pm Dec 10, 1:52pm
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kazuma is catback isn't it? well...kazuma are badass exhaust but it sucks having them in the US streets grin

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Pnoy] #347597 Dec 10, 1:55pm Dec 10, 1:55pm
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whats this TPR business...im must of not beein paying attentin in class...anyone want to summerize.


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Pnoy] #347598 Dec 10, 1:57pm Dec 10, 1:57pm
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Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops. thumbsup

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347599 Dec 10, 1:58pm Dec 10, 1:58pm
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post the link BlkCelicaGT07 I heard about those valve from a friend where you can actually lower the noice from the exhaust but I just can't find 1 for celica. frown

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http://www.arospeed.com/default.php?cPath=22_43_45&osCsid=b6eb516e4978e79b5e0693e035a9157a

the car make is no different they are all made to fit two and a half inch piping.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347601 Dec 10, 2:01pm Dec 10, 2:01pm
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yeah...but those are not for Celica... post some pics of it installed in your car.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Pnoy] #347602 Dec 10, 2:05pm Dec 10, 2:05pm
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The car model makes NO DIFFERENCE, like i said its made to fit 2 1/2" piping. They are all the same exact thing. it doesnt matter which one you buy it will still work.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347603 Dec 10, 2:15pm Dec 10, 2:15pm
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kazuma is not a catback...kazuma eliminates the cat, therefore, its not right after the cat (catback).

you can't have a catback made unless you weld, its just the way the piping was made on the celica.


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347604 Dec 10, 2:19pm Dec 10, 2:19pm
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so then what would you call the kazuma? just straight pipe?

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347605 Dec 10, 2:20pm Dec 10, 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops. thumbsup


i'm so interested...post some sound clips of your kazuma exhaust if you have any... thumbsup

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i dont have any personal clips of my kazuma, but heres one from a site. . .

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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347607 Dec 10, 2:25pm Dec 10, 2:25pm
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keep in mind that this clip doesnt do this exhaust any justice. . .it is insanly loud. thumbsup

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here is the site i bought it off of. . .
http://www.wctoyotasport.com/TRD/index.htm

and pics of it when i had to take it off.

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I'm pretty sure the kazuma doesn't remove the cat.

to have a cat back on a celica you have to have the pipe cut and welded in place. it's not a simple bolt on like an axle back setup.

IMO there's really nothing you'll gain from having a cat back system.


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kazuma gains 20hp at the drive wheels.

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last i read, the kazuma elimates the cat, so from who i read if from, they are either right or wrong.
why do you think it's illegal and for race? race cars have no cats.
otherwise, anyone could make a kazuma exhaust from a TRD by takin the resonator off since the rest of the piping is the essentially the same.
kazuma does not gain 20hp at the wheels, all it does is free up more flow and gain a little more than an axle back.


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347613 Dec 10, 10:57pm Dec 10, 10:57pm
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wats hp gain to the wheels on tpr just wondering

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: Vlad] #347614 Dec 11, 12:16am Dec 11, 12:16am
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i got 10.5 whp. someone in cali got like 19whp with the TPR i/e combo...


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uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.

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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07

uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno...

I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less...

Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp wink


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Originally Posted by Easy_C
Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics?

I think its still rumors when theres no real pics

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Originally Posted by Easy_C
Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno...

I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less...

Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp wink


I would definately expect a loss at low end due to the fact of less back pressure. However, I would also expect the top end of the kazuma to be higher than the TPR. It just would make sense.

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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.


you're trying to tell me to listen to you? rolleyes


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347620 Dec 11, 12:15pm Dec 11, 12:15pm
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i will admit that kazuma causes a loss of low end, but not to much to the point where its noticable. Not to me at least. but when kazuma hits high end the damn thing just fucking kicks sooooo hard. and i do know this from experience. I can honestly say that when i had the kazuma on i noticed major power increase, and the slight loss of low end was worth it.

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maybe but not 20whp difference. Its about 12 like easy-c said

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here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with Injen CAI.. no muffler.. no acessory belt..

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here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with JUST Injen CAI..

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not even sure how to read a dyno, and the first one is just no muffler but i figured id post these anyways.

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you lose low end cause there's no cat and nothing else to back it up


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: VSGTS14] #347626 Dec 11, 4:10pm Dec 11, 4:10pm
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yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347627 Dec 11, 4:25pm Dec 11, 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07
yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.


Try city driving with no low end wink


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Originally Posted by Easy_C

Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07

yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.


Try city driving with no low end wink


i did...not really a problem because the loss of low end isnt a very big loss at all.

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having good low and high end beats having a good high end.


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your right, thats why it doesnt bother me to have the kazuma, because the loss is so minimal its like there is no loss. grin

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yeah on that Injen CAI+no muffler dyno.. there's so much low end power loss i would never get that. Again, daily driving with be insane. I have problems with the STOCK low end power with daily driving and i find myself going all the way up to 4-5k rpm cause the low end power is so bad. the top end would be great to have but i think equal is better.

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id sacrifice 2 whp up high to get 15 whp down low smile

but to each his own


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Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback [Re: BlkCelicaGT07] #347634 Dec 12, 7:48pm Dec 12, 7:48pm
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so wat would be good for down low

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