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tempest Aug 8, 3:02pm - #34333 

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want a different engine

ok i want to change my GT (1zz) engine automatic and i to know what engine can i swap the 1zz for? i want to get more hp with the engine swap and mods. does anyone know what engine i can swap? thanks
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spaztikid Aug 8, 3:05pm - #34334 
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2zz but i'm not sure if you would need to do transmission work.

I've never seen a 7th gen w/ an engine swap
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PhatCellyGt Aug 8, 3:09pm - #34335 
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Any motor you swap out will need a tranny upgrade. If I was to do a swap it would a 3gts-e motor (celi all-trac) Turbo, awd and capable of over 400 hp!!
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trog2233 Aug 8, 3:11pm - #34336 

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Too much damn money...just get a different car thumbsup
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spaztikid Aug 8, 3:12pm - #34337 
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Originally Posted by trog2233
Too much damn money...just get a different car thumbsup


right on. thumbsup evo or sti anyone?
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tempest Aug 8, 3:13pm - #34338 

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what about the 2zz or 3zz which one can i put in and do i need to change the transmission on any of them or just minor stuff?
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trog2233 Aug 8, 3:18pm - #34339 

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Originally Posted by tempest
what about the 2zz or 3zz which one can i put in and do i need to change the transmission on any of them or just minor stuff?


Need a new tranny on either..
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Jandree22 Aug 8, 3:20pm - #34340 

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tempest Aug 8, 3:23pm - #34341 

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how much is it for a new tranny? do i have to get a modified one or just a stock one?
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Rizzard Aug 8, 3:33pm - #34342 
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Money is no worry, how much is the 3gts-e motor (celi all-trac) Turbo?? If I need a new tranny, no prob, i wanna convert it to a manual anyways...is it really gonna be 400hp??
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PhatCellyGt Aug 8, 5:27pm - #34343 
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Yup, it's the same set-up used in the Ultimate Celica that RMM did.
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Steven Aug 8, 6:21pm - #34345 
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Rod Millen Motorsports did an engine swap on the 7th gen celica and used a fully built, 3S-GTE.

Someone in Florida did the same thing.

Originally Posted by spaztikid
2zz but i'm not sure if you would need to do transmission work.

I've never seen a 7th gen w/ an engine swap
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trog2233 Aug 8, 6:43pm - #34346 

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Originally Posted by Steven
Rod Millen Motorsports did an engine swap on the 7th gen celica and used a fully built, 3S-GTE.

Someone in Florida did the same thing.

Originally Posted by spaztikid
2zz but i'm not sure if you would need to do transmission work.

I've never seen a 7th gen w/ an engine swap


Yea there are pics floating around somewhere of that one in florida with the MR-2 motor thumbsup
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Da Mac Aug 8, 6:58pm - #34347 
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HMMMM ideas I was thinking the same thing but just going to the 2zz but maybe the 400hp 3s-gte is mos def the way 2 go...
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shadow_hawk3000 Aug 8, 9:33pm - #34348 

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Put in a rotary!!! j/k. But yeah, the engine from a GT4 all trac would be the way to go.

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Rave669 Aug 8, 9:56pm - #34349 

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to keep it emissions legal in most states, the motor has to be as old or newer than what you've got, so 3s-gte may be iffy.

I saw one for sale on e-bay, with tranny. keep in mind, you have a FWD car, most 3s-gte will be for RWD (MR-2) or all wheel drive (Celica all-trac)
an AWD celica would be cool, but you'd need the rear-end from the donor car, and you'd have to figure out how to mount it to your unibody (which means old rear suspension is gone). either that, or the rear-end from an AWD matrix may work easier.

MR-2 swap may be eaisier, but remember, the engine and tranny were mounted in the REAR of the MR2, which may open up a whole new host of problems. You may want to think about just building your current motor, or think up an alternate swap. look into Lexus models, the IS300 might be a suitable candidate, but You'll have to double-check clearance in the engine bay.
It's a LOT of work to get it to fit, but it's entirely possible. both sportshift transmissions from the is300 and celica GTS are almost identical, so it's entirely doable, just remember the IS300 is RWD, you'll probably have to do a rear end swap and some cutting of the firewall/fabrication to get the IS tranny to fit your car, the GTS sportshift is another story, since the inline 6 wont fit sideways under your Hood without custom work. may want to measure to be sure, though.

I would swap in the 2ZZ-GE, best option would be the JDM 2ZZ, as it's rated for more HP and tourque, and has a higher redline. The transmission you have should work, since they are based on the same block, but the sportshift would be better and more reliable (that, or just swap in a manual tranny).

Compression could be lowered a little, and you could add a turbo, you could make plenty of HP, just don't forget to swap in some better axles to handle the added stress. also, don't forget, you'll need the ECU and wiring harness, as well as all the required sensors. doing the harness will be the biggest pain in the ass, BTW.

I like the rotary idea, it'd require some effort, but wouldn't be all that difficult, since the rotary is smaller, but the engine has to be from same manufacurer with current cars to be street legal.

In closing, I have three words for you: 3ZZ Stroker Kit!!! thumbsup

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Steven Aug 8, 10:11pm - #34350 
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  • the lexus is300 2JZ-GE motor does not fit in the celica engine bay. even if you were to fit it in there, you still have to fit the transmission in there and doing that would seriously offset the balance of the car as well as the chassis and it will turn the car into a strictly drag car which is thumbsdown
  • Mind you the J spec 2zz has higher hp also because they have better gas. I also don't think the j spec 2zz uses an EGT which would fail you on SMOG
  • Have you actually seen the celica axles? We really don't need to replace them if decided to go f/i. They're sufficient.


Originally Posted by Rave669

I saw one for sale on e-bay, with tranny. keep in mind, you have a FWD car, most 3s-gte will be for RWD (MR-2) or all wheel drive (Celica all-trac)
an AWD celica would be cool, but you'd need the rear-end from the donor car, and you'd have to figure out how to mount it to your unibody (which means old rear suspension is gone). either that, or the rear-end from an AWD matrix may work easier.

MR-2 swap may be eaisier, but remember, the engine and tranny were mounted in the REAR of the MR2, which may open up a whole new host of problems. You may want to think about just building your current motor, or think up an alternate swap. look into Lexus models, the IS300 might be a suitable candidate, but You'll have to double-check clearance in the engine bay.
It's a LOT of work to get it to fit, but it's entirely possible. both sportshift transmissions from the is300 and celica GTS are almost identical, so it's entirely doable, just remember the IS300 is RWD, you'll probably have to do a rear end swap and some cutting of the firewall/fabrication to get the IS tranny to fit your car, the GTS sportshift is another story, since the inline 6 wont fit sideways under your Hood without custom work. may want to measure to be sure, though.

I would swap in the 2ZZ-GE, best option would be the JDM 2ZZ, as it's rated for more HP and tourque, and has a higher redline. The transmission you have should work, since they are based on the same block, but the sportshift would be better and more reliable (that, or just swap in a manual tranny).

Compression could be lowered a little, and you could add a turbo, you could make plenty of HP, just don't forget to swap in some better axles to handle the added stress. also, don't forget, you'll need the ECU and wiring harness, as well as all the required sensors. doing the harness will be the biggest pain in the ass, BTW.

I like the rotary idea, it'd require some effort, but wouldn't be all that difficult, since the rotary is smaller, but the engine has to be from same manufacurer with current cars to be street legal.
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ssgsky Aug 8, 10:16pm - #34351 

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well ya didnt see the celi with the 3.4l from the tundra, it made 1000 hp

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Snake03GT Aug 9, 4:16am - #34352 
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i heard the ultimate celi really wasnt that fast

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Originally Posted by Snake03GT
i heard the ultimate celi really wasnt that fast


it was pretty fast...AWD 500 hp...but it was just a show car wasn't it?
i thought it had a lot of problems?

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Steven Aug 9, 4:58am - #34354 
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it has transmission problems.
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Originally Posted by Steven
it has transmission problems.


yea that's it. wink

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tempest Aug 9, 5:26pm - #34356 

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so in other words i should just stay with the 1zz and get the dd turbo kit. i just wanted to know if i could swap my auto celica gt engine for a better one.
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Originally Posted by tempest
so in other words i should just stay with the 1zz and get the dd turbo kit. i just wanted to know if i could swap my auto celica gt engine for a better one.


turbo it.

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