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Nov 26, 11:09am - #336058 
Custom Short Throw!

Where I work at there are some machinest, so I took them my B&M Short Throw, asked em if they could cut off about an inch and half. Well they did, and it is short as shit!
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Nov 26, 11:09am - #336059 
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Nov 26, 11:10am - #336060 
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Nov 26, 11:13am - #336061 
how's the stiffness going? that's really short are you comfortable with it?

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Nov 26, 11:53am - #336062 
Stiffness is perfect with new bushings that came with the shifter. As far as being comfortable with it, it is better then ever, I love being able to shift so quickly. I think if it got any shorter, it would be a little to much though.

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Nov 26, 11:57am - #336063 
whats the point? just to make it shorter? cause cutting it wont make the throw any shorter


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Nov 26, 12:36pm - #336064 
I think it looks great that short. Good job. Wonder how hard it would be to make the shift boot shorter so it's not so folded up?

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Nov 26, 12:39pm - #336065 
Hehehe...The shorter you go the more stiff you're gonna feel. Oh well...good job on your SS. It looks good.

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Nov 26, 12:49pm - #336066 
Cutting it does make the throw shorter. Come drive my car, and then a car with a orginal B&M short throw. You will notice the difference, a a lot shorter throw. When I first put the B&M in I didnt put the new bushing in, and it was loose. I put the bushings in when i got it shortned again and it is stiffer. Thought it was because of the bushings.

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Nov 26, 1:43pm - #336067 
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


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Nov 26, 2:05pm - #336068 
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


It's obvious he did SOMETHING to make it that short bro...Take a look eek

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Nov 26, 2:45pm - #336069 
it looks like my twm now

btw what did you have to do to get xm installed? i went and checked and it would be like 160 dollars in parts just to madapt it to my xm ready head unit confused

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Nov 26, 2:56pm - #336070 
looks great... i wish i had stick. frown

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Nov 26, 2:56pm - #336071 
was it hard to shorten it like that? I was thinking about doing that on my 86 gts because no one makes a short shifter for it, but i was nervous about screwing it up.

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Nov 26, 2:58pm - #336072 
Originally Posted by Virgilson
looks great... i wish i had stick. frown


untill you get into the mountains... around here


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Nov 26, 3:05pm - #336073 
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


Wrong. Think about it. If you had a shifter that was a 3 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, which do you think you could shift faster? Which would you think wouldn't have to travel as far to shift? Do I need to draw a picture? Would that help? OK I WILL!

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Nov 26, 3:13pm - #336074 
nice illistration, makes common sence visable to those less fortunate that don't have it. My only question is what is there to a short shifter other than it being shorter? I mean is it bent more towards the driver or is it exactly the same (except for hight)?

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Nov 26, 3:23pm - #336075 
I took it to a professional machienest who done it in like 2 hours. It looks professional...
And as far as the shift not being shorter, as Rocketman explained, it is much shorter bro. Im not saying your stupid, Im just saying what I know. Shifting now is basically a flick of the wrist.

dansgts, nothings different, shifting and everything is the same just a shorter distance between gears, and ofcourse hight.

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Nov 26, 3:27pm - #336076 
Oh yuh, the XM Radio, Thats just a regular XM reciever, and I got an XM FM Mogulater, cost about 50 bucks and plugs into the antenna part.

Looks crapy right now because I dont have my new CD Player yet, ordered the Kenwood Double Din touch screen the other day, should be in soon. Gonna be sweet, got the Kenwood 811D amp, I can control fan speed, look at temperature, and control the amp completely from the CD player...cant wait!

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Nov 26, 3:29pm - #336077 
so just cutting down the stock shifter would be the same right? I'd rather not fuck with it before i know for sure.

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Nov 26, 3:35pm - #336078 
Yuh thats exactly what it is. A shorter shifter than stock. Mines probably 4, 4 1/2 inches shorter than stock.

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Nov 26, 3:43pm - #336079 
cool, thanks for the help, I'll have to shorten mine soon.

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Nov 26, 3:46pm - #336080 
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Nov 26, 4:49pm - #336081 
i knwo this was kinda answered and probably in other forms, but might as well ask now. so if i have a shop chop 4" of my stock shifter, woudl it work? and woudl it work smoothly?

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Nov 26, 6:24pm - #336082 
^^^i'm curious too..but you would need new bushing since stock is too loose..too much play..


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Nov 26, 6:28pm - #336083 
caleb is getting one of his friends to cut down the rod on his B&M shifter too...looks good really short like that thumbsup


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Nov 26, 6:31pm - #336084 
Originally Posted by celicafourotwo
^^^i'm curious too..but you would need new bushing since stock is too loose..too much play..

Not necessarily...

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Nov 26, 6:32pm - #336085 
Originally Posted by JBing
whats the point? just to make it shorter? cause cutting it wont make the throw any shorter

that is not the point, it will be a bittlelittle faster to shift any way, and it will feel faster and stiffer

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Nov 26, 8:33pm - #336086 
if you chop 4 inches off your stock shifter your a retard. it would be super stiff when shifting you would loosen the assembly. A real short shifter replaces the bar and makes the pivot point higher up and replaces the rubber bushings with aluminum ones that raise the assembly (twm at least from what i have). theres tons of old threads about this proving it would make it shorter and slightly decrease difference between gears on the top half and make it very stiff and hard to move but in the end its just rice and that picture above^^ we dont have frickin 3 foot long shifters going to 4 inch long ones its not gonna make that dramatic of a difference at all just chopping it.

Think of it as an uneven teeter totter with the pivot point closer to one end and imagine lifting the longer end by pushing on the shorter end, its gonna be harder to do unless you move the pivot point along with shortening it.


theres my take on this. im not dissing you for chopping an aftermarket one, just saying a stock one would just be not worth it IN MY OPINION.


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Nov 26, 8:39pm - #336087 
ok, than what would you say i do when there is no aftermarket short shifter for the 4th generation celica?

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Nov 26, 9:19pm - #336088 
alittle harsh but informative. i didnt say i was going to do it, i was just curious what it would do. That is the reason for a ? form. Thanks again for the info. goodluck dangts for finding something. hopefully someone can help out

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Nov 26, 9:22pm - #336089 
Well I really didnt chop my shifter lol. Where the threads are on the shifter it is like a .015 of an inch thicker then the rest of the shifter. So we put it on a laid and laid it down to make like a little shaft/rod type thing. Then we drilled a whole in the bottom portion of the shifter, a little smaller then the shaft. Froze the shaft with nitrogen and heated the bottom portion, put the frozen shaft in the hole and heated it back, so it is press fitted. Then welded it up, and laided it back down again.

As far as it being stiff, its perfect, I dont know what yall are talkin about it being stiff...Its kinda tough, but nothing bad. I like it alot, Hell it dont need to be loose with the gears right beside each other.

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Nov 26, 9:32pm - #336090 
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


Wrong. Think about it. If you had a shifter that was a 3 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, which do you think you could shift faster? Which would you think wouldn't have to travel as far to shift? Do I need to draw a picture? Would that help? OK I WILL!


HAHA nice rocketman...I was just opening up the paint program to draw it as soon as i read it...then i'm like well lemme check to make sure someone else didn't cover it and make me create a double post. Yeah it should be slightly harder to actually shift...but i'm sure it isn't much..and if you muscle through it you can shift shorter...faster...awesome mod thumbsup

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Nov 26, 10:19pm - #336091 
Originally Posted by dansgts
ok, than what would you say i do when there is no aftermarket short shifter for the 4th generation celica?


in your situation i would say cutting it may be the only accesable option. it will shorten it a bit and look better, but will take more muscle to shift. and if you can find anywhere that makes aftermarket bushings for it it would be worth it to stiffen the asselmbly up then it still isnt mushy when shifting


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Nov 26, 10:45pm - #336092 
^^^yah. shortening your stock rod is only one part. have some shop fabricate some bushings.

or just have a shop fabricate a short shifter kit for your 4th gen, Dan. thumbsup


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Nov 27, 8:11am - #336093 
Yuh any machine shop should be able to do it easily, and quickly. Probably wouldnt cost much at all either. Good luck bro!

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Nov 27, 9:22am - #336094 
Originally Posted by eric_h
if you chop 4 inches off your stock shifter your a retard. it would be super stiff when shifting you would loosen the assembly. A real short shifter replaces the bar and makes the pivot point higher up and replaces the rubber bushings with aluminum ones that raise the assembly (twm at least from what i have). theres tons of old threads about this proving it would make it shorter and slightly decrease difference between gears on the top half and make it very stiff and hard to move but in the end its just rice and that picture above^^ we dont have frickin 3 foot long shifters going to 4 inch long ones its not gonna make that dramatic of a difference at all just chopping it.

Think of it as an uneven teeter totter with the pivot point closer to one end and imagine lifting the longer end by pushing on the shorter end, its gonna be harder to do unless you move the pivot point along with shortening it.


theres my take on this. im not dissing you for chopping an aftermarket one, just saying a stock one would just be not worth it IN MY OPINION.


Oh I totally agreed. Choping the stock one WOULD make the shifts shorter...however it would make it very hard to shift. Cuting an aftermarket one would make more sense where you are replacing all of the bushings.

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Nov 27, 11:29am - #336095 
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


hahaha all i have to say is "basic physics"...

^^^(wouldnt that explain everything jbing just said to be wrong???)


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Nov 27, 12:26pm - #336096 
Originally Posted by bmw52786
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


hahaha all i have to say is "basic physics"...

^^^(wouldnt that explain everything jbing just said to be wrong???)


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Nov 27, 12:52pm - #336097 
^^^ lollol ^^^ hope he doesnt have to take college physics like i am right now!


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Nov 27, 4:52pm - #336098 
let me explain. since the pivot point hasnt changed on the shifter that has been cut, the throw below the pivot hasnt changed meaning the gear doesnt engauge any faster un like a true short throw where the armature is lowered along with the shortening of the entire rod. heres a picture.

the first one is a stock shifter, the second one is a cut shifter and the third one is a true short throw shifter

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Nov 27, 8:27pm - #336099 
makes lots of sense. prettymuc if you chop the top, you are going to have a harder time moving hte shifter, less leverage but ur hand will technically not moving as far.

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Nov 27, 8:35pm - #336100 
thats awesome thumbsup

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Nov 27, 10:19pm - #336101 
yeah but for the 4th gen celi here, my friend has a b&m short throw on his neon but hasnt goe new bushings yet. its shorter and stuff but its still ishy when shifting cause it wiggles around easier when shifting cause you have to use more leverage


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Nov 28, 4:10pm - #336102 
I found out that the short shifter for the lancer and evo 8 works with the 4th gen with little modification, but would it come with the bushings, if not where would i get thoes?

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Nov 28, 8:16pm - #336103 
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


Wrong. Think about it. If you had a shifter that was a 3 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, which do you think you could shift faster? Which would you think wouldn't have to travel as far to shift? Do I need to draw a picture? Would that help? OK I WILL!


no you're a dumbass, first off, dont start talking shit about people and what there saying until you know that the f**k your talkking about. The illustration that Jbing put is the right one, your jsut an idiot! You can shorten the top part of the shifter to an inch and it will be jsut the same as the stock shifter, why, because short throws dont jsut shorten the top part, the change the pivot point of the shifter. making it longer from the pivot to the bottom, so that it pops in quicker. Also, if you have seen the B&M, its a straight metal piece, rather then the curved piece of the stock one, do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!
shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter.


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Nov 28, 8:37pm - #336104 
That's a nice Custom Mod. Should've just cut 1" instead of 1 1/2" but it's still sweet. thumbsup

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Nov 28, 9:11pm - #336105 
Does B&M SS come with a brushing? Is it the blue round rings that come in the box?

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Nov 28, 9:47pm - #336106 
Hey, I have a SS. The throws are a tad shorter, but I can't shift, if I'm drag racing, into gears any faster than stock. If I could I think I would do some damage over time to my transmission. The throw is shorter, stiffer, more precise, and more mechanical (which I love). Think about it.

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Nov 29, 8:54am - #336107 
Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by JBing
the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever rofl Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about


Wrong. Think about it. If you had a shifter that was a 3 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, which do you think you could shift faster? Which would you think wouldn't have to travel as far to shift? Do I need to draw a picture? Would that help? OK I WILL!


no you're a dumbass, first off, dont start talking shit about people and what there saying until you know that the f**k your talkking about. The illustration that Jbing put is the right one, your jsut an idiot! You can shorten the top part of the shifter to an inch and it will be jsut the same as the stock shifter, why, because short throws dont jsut shorten the top part, the change the pivot point of the shifter. making it longer from the pivot to the bottom, so that it pops in quicker. Also, if you have seen the B&M, its a straight metal piece, rather then the curved piece of the stock one, do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!
shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter.



Oh really? Someone should paste my drawing and his together...if you think for one moment that your hand has to move as far with a chopped shifter you are retarded. Have you ever felt the difference yourself? No, I bet not. Of course Jbings drawing makes sense. However, you guys keep saying that it isn't faster when you just chop one down. That is bullshit. There is a clear difference in length of throw whether you like it or not.

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