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roxyracer Nov 21, 5:29am - #331947 

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Horses needed, SUPERCHARGER? Which one? HELP!

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Ok I love my Celi but I'm ready for some more horses. I'm thinking the way to really get them would be to go with a supercharger. I'm looking at the Blitz supercharger. Does anyone have this or have any info? Is there one you think is better? Please let me know, I would really like to do it right and soon. Thanks for the help.

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your FI options:

Nitrous-Zex, NOS, Venom, Nx

Turbo-stafford fabrications, xs, c2gas

supercharger-blitz, trial

to be honest, not a lot of people have the blitz. i think jules (who owns the GT300) has one and he says he loves it. i think he put down 212whp @ 6psi.

i would have reccomended stafford but some people have had trouble with customer service lately. but i hear their working turbos do wonders for our cars.

sorry to say but the FI options are rather slim for our cars.

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i know someone with blitz too, and unless you have over 7000 to spend in parts and labor for it then erase it out of your mind...

turbo is cheaper and gives better power... and at this moment, c2gas is the only company i would feel comfortable handing 3000 bucks too...
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You bought an auto GTS... you're just going to have to accept that it isn't a fast car. A supercharger will run you $5000+ and you still won't be as fast as a stock 6-speed. Plus, I don't really trust our auto trannies to handle that much more power.

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roxyracer Nov 21, 5:35pm - #331951 

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
You bought an auto GTS... you're just going to have to accept that it isn't a fast car. A supercharger will run you $5000+ and you still won't be as fast as a stock 6-speed. Plus, I don't really trust our auto trannies to handle that much more power.


Look I don't want a supercharger to win races. I want it so that it's more responsive off the line. The car has plenty power for me at higher RPM's I just want to feel it at the lower RPM's as well. Not looking to shave off seconds just want to feel more response when I start from nothing.

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Johnsgt Nov 21, 6:04pm - #331952 
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You cant use the Blitz/Trial supercharger, because you have an 04 gts with dbw. The Blitz/Trial supercharger uses the pfc which does not work with dbw. Your best best as far as f/i is Stafford turbo. He has already done several cars with dbw. The downside is it may take you a while to get your kit as he is extremely busy and backed up.
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SLVCELI Nov 21, 6:34pm - #331953 
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Originally Posted by Johnsgt
You cant use the Blitz/Trial supercharger, because you have an 04 gts with dbw. The Blitz/Trial supercharger uses the pfc which does not work with dbw. Your best best as far as f/i is Stafford turbo. He has already done several cars with dbw. The downside is it may take you a while to get your kit as he is extremely busy and backed up.


I wouldnt suggest a turbo unless you have an extra car or know exactly what you are doing. Turbos dont go along with our car all that great because of reliability. People are going to tell you that it will work fine but a lot of the people that I have seen get turbos have had problems after a while. Dont get me wrong, turbo is the way to go for power, it just doesnt seem like you want power THAT bad seeing you bought an auto.

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celimangts17 Nov 21, 6:42pm - #331954 

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Originally Posted by roxyracer
Originally Posted by RevMonster
You bought an auto GTS... you're just going to have to accept that it isn't a fast car. A supercharger will run you $5000+ and you still won't be as fast as a stock 6-speed. Plus, I don't really trust our auto trannies to handle that much more power.


Look I don't want a supercharger to win races. I want it so that it's more responsive off the line. The car has plenty power for me at higher RPM's I just want to feel it at the lower RPM's as well. Not looking to shave off seconds just want to feel more response when I start from nothing.

i think if you S/C ur car you would actually lose some low end power since the S/C is driven by the belts on the motor. so ur motor would have to work harder to initialy turn the S/C and then once it gets turning you will get more power, there really isnt anything for our cars to help out on the low end, i have the same dellima as u, auto GTS, i would look at a turbo if you were u, i had been looking at the stafford Fabrications turbo and i contacted them a few times and got responses back very quickly from stafford himself. if you want FI go turbo, its more power for the money, the blitz S/C is entirely too much money, for the same power you can get with a turbo. hope this helps thumbsup

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SLVCELI Nov 21, 6:53pm - #331955 
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Originally Posted by celimangts17
Originally Posted by roxyracer
Originally Posted by RevMonster
You bought an auto GTS... you're just going to have to accept that it isn't a fast car. A supercharger will run you $5000+ and you still won't be as fast as a stock 6-speed. Plus, I don't really trust our auto trannies to handle that much more power.


Look I don't want a supercharger to win races. I want it so that it's more responsive off the line. The car has plenty power for me at higher RPM's I just want to feel it at the lower RPM's as well. Not looking to shave off seconds just want to feel more response when I start from nothing.

i think if you S/C ur car you would actually lose some low end power since the S/C is driven by the belts on the motor. so ur motor would have to work harder to initialy turn the S/C and then once it gets turning you will get more power, there really isnt anything for our cars to help out on the low end, i have the same dellima as u, auto GTS, i would look at a turbo if you were u, i had been looking at the stafford Fabrications turbo and i contacted them a few times and got responses back very quickly from stafford himself. if you want FI go turbo, its more power for the money, the blitz S/C is entirely too much money, for the same power you can get with a turbo. hope this helps thumbsup


The supercharger will give low end torque. The turbo will not since it is driven by exhaust gases and wont spool up until around, say 2-2500 rpm (just a guess, depnds on turbo). But like everyone said, for the GTS supercharger the money is crazy and it doesnt work with DBW.

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Originally Posted by SLVCELI
Originally Posted by celimangts17
Originally Posted by roxyracer
Originally Posted by RevMonster
You bought an auto GTS... you're just going to have to accept that it isn't a fast car. A supercharger will run you $5000+ and you still won't be as fast as a stock 6-speed. Plus, I don't really trust our auto trannies to handle that much more power.


Look I don't want a supercharger to win races. I want it so that it's more responsive off the line. The car has plenty power for me at higher RPM's I just want to feel it at the lower RPM's as well. Not looking to shave off seconds just want to feel more response when I start from nothing.

i think if you S/C ur car you would actually lose some low end power since the S/C is driven by the belts on the motor. so ur motor would have to work harder to initialy turn the S/C and then once it gets turning you will get more power, there really isnt anything for our cars to help out on the low end, i have the same dellima as u, auto GTS, i would look at a turbo if you were u, i had been looking at the stafford Fabrications turbo and i contacted them a few times and got responses back very quickly from stafford himself. if you want FI go turbo, its more power for the money, the blitz S/C is entirely too much money, for the same power you can get with a turbo. hope this helps thumbsup


The supercharger will give low end torque. The turbo will not since it is driven by exhaust gases and wont spool up until around, say 2-2500 rpm (just a guess, depnds on turbo). But like everyone said, for the GTS supercharger the money is crazy and it doesnt work with DBW.


Sorry rookie question but what's DBW, are you sure it doesn't work on the 04'? I'll call Monday.

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SLVCELI Nov 21, 8:27pm - #331957 
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drive by wire. Not exactly sure but I think its when you push the pedal it sends a signal to the computer or something. Okay maybe someone else should answer that lol. All I know is it doesnt work with the powerfc. Does anyone know if it will work with emanage?

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i think the c2power turbo is your best bet

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04silvergts Nov 21, 10:44pm - #331959 
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DBW? so I cant get a pfc with my 04gts? (its a stick if that matters)
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Tru_gts Nov 21, 10:53pm - #331960 
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Is Nitrous really considered F/I? Just woundering.

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DBW means you have an electronically controlled throttle...there is no cable.

DBW is in both autos and sticks on GTS.

But I think its only from '03 on.

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And yes, NO2 is considered F/I.

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If you have DBW you can't use a pfc.
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Hell, go nitrous. Wet kits are safe, and the WOT switch can be mounted on the gas pedal.

You won't lose power with a supercharger like the Blitz or Trial units; they are clutched superchargers.

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xs turbo i think is the best for the money comes with the fc

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i don't t think she wants nitrous (nawwwzzzzzz) every time she takes off from a dead stop at every single traffic light...
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Originally Posted by celicadragon
xs turbo i think is the best for the money comes with the fc


Your an idiot. Quit adding nonsense to the post. For one we already established she can't use the pfc, therefore she cant use the xs turbo. Second of all, the xs turbo is a piece, so even if she could get it, i wouldnt recommend it.
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If you dont have anything more intelligent or beneficial to her post, dont post anything, your just confusing her more.
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Facts:

- You want better response off the line

- You can't use the Blitz / Trial supercharger because you have an 03+ with drive by wire

- You COULD get a C2 turbo.. which will actually do the opposite of what you want. You're looking for a more linear power curve... and a turbo is NOT the way to get this.

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Originally Posted by Johnsgt
If you dont have anything more intelligent or beneficial to her post, dont post anything, your just confusing her more.


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I'll try to add something here that could actually help...

I forget which company makes it, but someone produces a stroker kit, which increases displacement to 2.0 liters. I'm not aware of anyone on the boards who actually has the kit, but I know it would certainly add some low-end.

You can either run a search, or you can hope someone who knows of the manufacturer reads this...

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Damn, I thought they made a bore kit for the 2zz also.

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Duh spineyes I forgot she had a GTS for a second

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Facts:

- You want better response off the line

- You can't use the Blitz / Trial supercharger because you have an 03+ with drive by wire

- You COULD get a C2 turbo.. which will actually do the opposite of what you want. You're looking for a more linear power curve... and a turbo is NOT the way to get this.


Solution:

-Use the Blitz / Trial supercharger and have a professional shop (with a dyno) tune it to work with the GReddy e-manage. roxyracer, you would also have the possibility to pass smog with the e-manage since it is a piggyback ecu which supplements the stock ecu, and not a replacement for the stock ecu like the Apexi PowerFC (which is not OBD-II compatible).

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actually that won't stroke the 2zz to 1.93 liters like RevMonster was referring to. He was thinking of the Trial stroker kit that basically uses beefy internals with the 1zz crank. Again Trial recommends PowerFC to tune for max performance, so roxyracer, you would have to use the e-manage. And you would have to order the low compression pistons and that means lower than the 13.7:1 the kit comes with, since you probably would not want to use anything higher than 91 octane.

I have a highly modified GTS 6spd, but I was given the opportunity to drive an '04 GTS auto at Toyota's Put it in Play down here in Pasadena at the Rose Bowl. It had more low-end response than I thought it would have, and I had fun racing through the untimed course auto-x style to the dismay of the course counselor grin. When you say low-end I don't think you mean off-the-line since you say you are not into racing (although you are roxyracer tongue). So if you don't do this already by habit, practice applying the gas smoothly but quickly for maximum acceleration. There is also skill in driving an auto.

Maybe I'm wrong, but you may end up like me who wasn't interested in racing first, but got insanely addicted. There's never enough power.

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Trial Stroker Kit (what they call 3zz)

http://www.trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm

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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1


actually that won't stroke the 2zz to 1.93 liters like RevMonster was referring to. He was thinking of the Trial stroker kit that basically uses beefy internals with the 1zz crank. Again Trial recommends PowerFC to tune for max performance, so roxyracer, you would have to use the e-manage. And you would have to order the low compression pistons and that means lower than the 13.7:1 the kit comes with, since you probably would not want to use anything higher than 91 octane.

I have a highly modified GTS 6spd, but I was given the opportunity to drive an '04 GTS auto at Toyota's Put it in Play down here in Pasadena at the Rose Bowl. It had more low-end response than I thought it would have, and I had fun racing through the untimed course auto-x style to the dismay of the course counselor grin. When you say low-end I don't think you mean off-the-line since you say you are not into racing (although you are roxyracer tongue). So if you don't do this already by habit, practice applying the gas smoothly but quickly for maximum acceleration. There is also skill in driving an auto.

Maybe I'm wrong, but you may end up like me who wasn't interested in racing first, but got insanely addicted. There's never enough power.


Thank you for all the good info. I will refer to it if they have problems making it work. I should know by the end of the week.

I have no doubt you are right about "never enough power" but I really think the SC would satisfy that urge the best I can. This all started when I drove my boyfriends Mercedes AMG55. Loved the power, if only I could swap engines...lol Oh well I love my Celica it just needs a boost. I think the money will be well spent, nothing compares faster or not.

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i see you live in san fran...have you considered what to do in the event that you get pulled over? the police officer will most likely give you a fix-it ticket (with a fine)...and the fix it ticket will not get signed off untill the s/c is out. do you plan in uninstalling and re-installing?

no FI products for the celica at the moment is CARB approved. and as you kow in california they are cracking down on automobile modifications.

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yeah that's always something to consider, but a lot of guys don't care, meaning they will take it out and put it in or pay someone to do it.

it will take some work but you can always get a sticker from a CARB approved S/C for another vehicle. I know there is a Jackson Racing supercharger kit for the RSX-S that is CARB approved. If someone doesn't live in a state that is strict about smog, you can just buy the CARB sticker off of them. And it shouldn't be hard to find a seller on the dozens of car sites on the internet.

then again, there's always such a thing as breaking your Hood release under your dash on purpose. I've done it by accident by getting the cable disconnected. thumbsup

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a couple more notes:

if you go the broken Hood release route:
you have to know how to pop the Hood with the cable unattached to the lever (it's tricky) in the event your engine catches fire and you need to put it out. I always have a fire extinguisher in my car.

you only need to worry about a CARB S/C # if somehow the cop goes and does some research to find out the # is really for a S/C and not for example an Intake. If you think you will most likely get away with the cop seeing an Intake CARB sticker on your S/C and then letting you go, then that's all you need. And buying a CARB apporved Intake FOR THE STICKER is a fraction of the cost of a S/C.

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