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02celicagts Nov 2, 5:27pm - #315950 
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Staying in lift?

I have a 2003 celica GTS with a 6-speed, and my friend has an 04 acura RSX-S. Now i dont have a problem, but he always says that celica's cant stay in lift when shifting from 1st to 2nd or any gear for the matter. Whats the deal with that, are some models not able to stay in lift like the 02'cause of the 7800 redline??
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Oli Nov 2, 5:56pm - #315951 
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You can stay in lift in any gear when shifting up. 1st - 2nd can be hard at first. Personally on hills when the 1st - 2nd shift is harder as i engage the clutch in 2nd i almost slip it a little. That will do the trick. Just be careful in the wet as you'll just break into a unwanted wheel spin.

It's not good for your car (be warned) but say your going 40mph in 2nd and you want to overtake a car. Just drop the clutch down as you put down some power rip the clutch up and with the little bit of wheel spin you'll stay in lift all the way to redline. Again this won't work in the wet.
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02celicagts Nov 2, 8:37pm - #315952 
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thanks man, anyone else have any problems staying in lift?
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Rocketman Nov 2, 8:52pm - #315953 

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Originally Posted by 02celicagts
thanks man, anyone else have any problems staying in lift?


If you have a 02' ANYONE will have a serious problem staying in lift (Lower rev limiter). Furthermore, I belive that half teh people on this forum that say they land in lift are lying.
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Oli Nov 2, 9:18pm - #315954 
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by 02celicagts
thanks man, anyone else have any problems staying in lift?


If you have a 02' ANYONE will have a serious problem staying in lift (Lower rev limiter). Furthermore, I belive that half teh people on this forum that say they land in lift are lying.


Maybe but I promise you I can do it 95% of the time.
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unsceenTRD Nov 2, 9:27pm - #315955 
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i have an 02 and i can lad lift only if i have wheel spinn but i hate doing that to my clutch but i love lift and me wanting to stay in lift wins everytime.
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RookieGTS Nov 2, 9:41pm - #315956 

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i can too stay in lift while i shift and i have the vid to prove it damnit! Now after i perfected my 1-2 shift, I can honestly say I can do the 1-2 lift shift with no problem... But then again I have a 00' celica GTS 6-spd
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Saikou_Serika Nov 2, 10:26pm - #315957 
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how can you tell if ur in lift? what does the sound sound like? (dont say "it sounds loud" because our cars sound louder than most cars stock)

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Rocketman Nov 2, 11:04pm - #315958 

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Originally Posted by Saikou_Serika
how can you tell if ur in lift? what does the sound sound like? (dont say "it sounds loud" because our cars sound louder than most cars stock)


Well, it does sound really loud compared to being under 6k rpms... IT SOUNDS LOUD!!!"
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02celicagts Nov 2, 11:53pm - #315959 
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can you post the video?
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iggy Nov 2, 11:57pm - #315960 
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You feel it hit and the engine seems to go to the next level, you can tell. It would be hard not to. thumbsup

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rodstarrr Nov 3, 1:11am - #315961 

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my 02 can never stay in lift...
i hate it
it's redline is at 7800 but the fuel cut off starts at 7500
toyota bastards aren't doing anything about it either

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TRDCelicaGTS6 Nov 3, 1:39am - #315962 
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i never have a problem staying in lift on 1st to 2nd just gotta be easy with it if you shift too hard tranny will go up soon i should know i've been through 2 of them

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Nov 3, 1:54am - #315963 

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

Originally Posted by Saikou_Serika

how can you tell if ur in lift? what does the sound sound like? (dont say "it sounds loud" because our cars sound louder than most cars stock)


Well, it does sound really loud compared to being under 6k rpms... IT SOUNDS LOUD!!!"

just for sound rference heres an old vid i took a while back on my auto gts on first gear lift i have I/E so the sound is way noticable past 6k
and yeah i cant stay in lift since the auto cuts off at 8k as you can see on the vid frown
https://www.celicahobby.com/ubbthreads/attach/1870181928-MOV00503.MPG
*on the vid iam not pushing the gas all the way since i was trying to be safe holding a camera with 1 hand while keeping it straight since i was in a resedential street*
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02celicagts Nov 3, 2:02am - #315964 
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what exhaust did you have on it??
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tru_Asiatik_Pride Nov 3, 2:05am - #315965 

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Originally Posted by 02celicagts
what exhaust did you have on it??

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AzNRaCeR Nov 3, 2:05am - #315966 
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i thought you coulnt stay in lift unless you rev near 9k?

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Nov 3, 2:07am - #315967 

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Originally Posted by AzNRaCeR
i thought you coulnt stay in lift unless you rev near 9k?

yeah you need to be perfect on you shifts to do it
~8.5k . i kno lucky posted a vid staying in lift
ill try to look for it thumbsup
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RookieGTS Nov 3, 2:09am - #315968 

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Nov 3, 2:22am - #315969 

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i found luckys 10-100
as you can see he never went below 6k keeping him atlift all the time hes the fastest N/A celica in the boards the best driver ive seen thumbsup thumbsup
http://www.ksbservices.com/vids/10-100.wmv
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Sorta looks like my vid spineyes
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ChiNeyBwoy Nov 3, 2:31am - #315971 

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what a lift?
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tru_Asiatik_Pride Nov 3, 2:32am - #315972 

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found some more old old vids
as these vids show you can stay at lift at 1-2 shift
again he never went below 6k and this is when he was still stock on stock shifter so preety impressive to me thumbsup

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ChiNeyBwoy Nov 3, 2:32am - #315973 

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j/k hehehhehheeehhehehhee
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RookieGTS Nov 3, 2:38am - #315974 

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Hmmm.. interesting, in his 1-2 shifts lift shifts he stays above 6000 rpms, but when I do it my rpms stay up at 6700 rpms and the needle jumps for a split second to 7000 rpms then continues through 2nd gear lift into third...
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AzNRaCeR Nov 3, 5:11am - #315975 
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Originally Posted by ChiNeyBwoy
what a lift?


lol kyle...

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AzNRaCeR Nov 3, 5:21am - #315976 
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you have to override the fuel cut to do this right?

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stefanoc Nov 3, 6:51am - #315977 

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ok i gotta speak for the 02 gts owners cz i got one.
the fuel cut off is at 7500rpm for sure. it might be just a little more than that, but when you see ur eyes the needle going on 7500rpm, you better shift cz you got no time after that. gts is my first manual car, and i find the shift from 1-2 the hardest of them all, and even more challenging for me cz i got an 02. the best 1-2 shift i did is i shifted on 7500rpm and landed on 5200rpm. im not the quickest shifter, especially not the best 1-2 shifter cz im always worried i hit the gate, but thats the best ive ever done. im sure i can improve my shifts to 5200rpm all the time at least. from 2-3 and 3-4 i shift at 7500rpm also and actually land on lift. i land exactly on lift.
the only solution to fix the 02 rev limiter is to buy an older model ecu, change the knock sensor. i bought the ecu for 120$ used that was a good deal. the knock sensor costs about 150$, and add 2-4 hours of labor on it. so regular price is gonna hit you like 500$. im gonna have this done by the end of this week, ill let you know how it works out.
and damn man, everytime i mess up shifting i feel like the shifter getting weird. like if i hit the gate while going on 2, inserting in 2nd gear kinda feels awkward for a while. is that common? and it seems like the more you drive it, that feelings going away
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unsceenTRD Nov 3, 7:28am - #315978 
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you can land lift with an 02 you just have to let something slip weather its your clutch or your tires but you can
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Blue_Bomber Nov 3, 8:34am - #315979 
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The only way to land in lift on the 1-2 is to slip the clutch or spin the wheels. Slipping the clutch is much easier to do, and a lot less stressful on the engine/tranny.
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unsceenTRD Nov 3, 8:55am - #315981 
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Originally Posted by unsceenTRD
you can land lift with an 02 you just have to let something slip weather its your clutch or your tires but you can
hey i said this first cry cry just joking rofl rofl
PS listen to me too tongue
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Blue_Bomber Nov 3, 9:04am - #315982 
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Yeah, but I meant on every year. tongue If you do a clean shift on any year except 02, you're gonna land at 5800, no matter how fast you shift. If you do a clean shift on 02, you'll land even lower.
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sincere2883 Nov 3, 12:34pm - #315983 
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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
i found luckys 10-100
as you can see he never went below 6k keeping him atlift all the time hes the fastest N/A celica in the boards the best driver ive seen thumbsup thumbsup
http://www.ksbservices.com/vids/10-100.wmv


wait you thought lift was exacly at 6100rpm? so that mean hitting it like about 8500 so it can drop at 6100? or is lift just staying above 6k?

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Veilside_300 Nov 3, 5:45pm - #315984 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Bomber
The only way to land in lift on the 1-2 is to slip the clutch or spin the wheels. Slipping the clutch is much easier to do, and a lot less stressful on the engine/tranny.


NAA he doesn't know his shit. You don't need to slip the clutch at all to land lift from 1st to 2nd. Just make sure your gear change is very fast. I can easily land lift without bouncing off the limiter. You don't want to be hitting fuel cut off very often because its going to cause gearbox failure.

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Oli Nov 3, 6:23pm - #315985 
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Originally Posted by Veilside_300
Originally Posted by Blue_Bomber
The only way to land in lift on the 1-2 is to slip the clutch or spin the wheels. Slipping the clutch is much easier to do, and a lot less stressful on the engine/tranny.


NAA he doesn't know his shit. You don't need to slip the clutch at all to land lift from 1st to 2nd. Just make sure your gear change is very fast. I can easily land lift without bouncing off the limiter. You don't want to be hitting fuel cut off very often because its going to cause gearbox failure.


You don't have to slip the clutch but this method ensures you get lift everytime from 1st - 2nd.
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ArumnDark Nov 3, 7:16pm - #315986 
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Lift doesn't kick in until roughly 6300 RPM, stock.

Landing in lift stock is very difficult, but possible, and not exactly good for your car (like redlining it is laughsilly )

I can keep it at 6k RPM on the 1-2 shift, but that still drops me out of lift for a brief second.

The 2-3 shift I can land in lift or VERY near it, and every shift after that is cake (aside from 6th, which has no lift smile ).

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AzNRaCeR Nov 3, 7:31pm - #315987 
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just try not to blow your engines ppl

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QTRMLR_1 Nov 3, 9:15pm - #315988 

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Blue_Bomber is right. That's all that needs to be said.

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rodstarrr Nov 3, 9:40pm - #315990 

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fuel cut off should be 7800 for 02's
mine is just cutting off at 7500 cos it's terrible
and the tranny on these cars suck
so it makes it even harder to land lift...
damn yous guys and your non 02's

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Blue_Bomber Nov 3, 10:00pm - #315991 
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Originally Posted by Veilside_300
NAA he doesn't know his shit. You don't need to slip the clutch at all to land lift from 1st to 2nd. Just make sure your gear change is very fast. I can easily land lift without bouncing off the limiter. You don't want to be hitting fuel cut off very often because its going to cause gearbox failure.

Fast gear changes = worn synchros. You'll find out soon enough. wink You're probably slipping your tires if you can land at 6K or higher without consciously slipping the clutch. They don't always chirp. Plug in the GTS gear ratios and tire size into any calculator and you'll see that you can't land in lift on 1-2 on a clean shift.

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Blue_Bomber is right. That's all that needs to be said.

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Veilside_300 Nov 4, 10:13am - #315992 

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Into a calculator??? rofl rofl rofl

Get real. Practise is far better than theory my friend wave

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Rocketman Nov 4, 4:27pm - #315993 

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
found some more old old vids
as these vids show you can stay at lift at 1-2 shift
again he never went below 6k and this is when he was still stock on stock shifter so preety impressive to me thumbsup

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1-2-3-4 shift
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Ok, not to be an Ass...but it is easier for an 2000 celica to land lift because the lift in 2000 started at 5950 rpms. After that year they all start at 6200rpms. HUGE difference. If you can't land lift WITHOUT slipping the clutch in a 2000...you suck. thumbsup
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QTRMLR_1 Nov 5, 8:05am - #315994 

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Originally Posted by Veilside_300
Into a calculator??? rofl rofl rofl

Get real. Practise is far better than theory my friend wave


rolleyes
nevermind...I don't think your "calculator" would understand.

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ChiNeyBwoy Nov 5, 2:36pm - #315995 

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i have a 2000, i shift at about 8200 first gear and land riight bak into lift, any gear after the 1-2 is much easier to land
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
Originally Posted by Veilside_300
Into a calculator??? rofl rofl rofl

Get real. Practise is far better than theory my friend wave


rolleyes
nevermind...I don't think your "calculator" would understand.


rofl rofl rofl
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