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Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! #305848 Oct 21, 9:25am Oct 21, 9:25am
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Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold!
Ok, here is the deal. There is a company called TWM Induction. They make a custom Intake manifold for our cars that looks alittle something like the one below. I am basically trying to find interest so we could get a better price (normally $6,000!!!!) The Honda b18 Intake manifold retails for only $1800. For the people going N/A (Lucky, TPR, etc...) you can obviously see the difference something like this would make! This would definately help us N/A guys hit the 250 mark! Maybe even higher! If you have any Q's I will try to reply to this thread a quick as possible.

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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305849 Oct 21, 9:33am Oct 21, 9:33am
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SHIT!!!!!!...that looks hella sweet...ill b intersted...y soo much of the diff. from the honda(booooooooo) one though???? get more details and us n!!!! lets sick though smile


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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: celicajonz] #305850 Oct 21, 10:29am Oct 21, 10:29am
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yeah, get some more info, i.e..gts or gt, hp estimate, price, pics, etc...


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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: qbanprepster21] #305851 Oct 21, 10:39am Oct 21, 10:39am
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Originally Posted by qbanprepster21
yeah, get some more info, i.e..gts or gt, hp estimate, price, pics, etc...


They only offer one for the GTS. As far as a HP estimate goes...prolly about 10-15 whp on untuned stock engine, and about 20-30whp on fully tuned rebuilt engine. I am not quite sure on price yet. It is all contingent on how many people area interested. I am shooting for the $1800 mark. Keep in mind, it is required that Hood modifications are made to accomidate this manifold. However, think about the Ram Air capabilities that are possible with our engine design!

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305852 Oct 21, 11:12am Oct 21, 11:12am
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Get some more information about it and I might be interested.

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hahaha... 6k...

i know someone who's getting it done for about 300 bucks

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: spaztikid] #305854 Oct 21, 11:21am Oct 21, 11:21am
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They do not fit onto the Celica. They work with the 2zz but are not compatible with the way the Celica is.

"Toyota 2ZZ 1800cc DOHC
Owing to extreme installation difficulties, and the complex nature of this design, we have decided to remove this from our future products. It is possible to make throttles for the ENGINE but the installation in a Celica GTS is impractical. Follow this link to our Custom Applications page for availability of throttles for the 2ZZ ENGINE."

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody-FR.html

You can make a custom ITB setup with GSX-R throttle bodies and a lot of ingenuity. Go to Honda-Tech.com and search for ITB. Tons of info. thumbsup Good luck getting them to work with the Celica MAF though.

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305855 Oct 21, 12:06pm Oct 21, 12:06pm
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[b][i]This would definately help us N/A guys hit the 250 mark! Maybe even higher! [/quote]


Sounds like ricer math to me.
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How could you hit 250 horsepower if you were N/A? wtf

In theory, that would mean that our engines put out that much or more at the crank.

Bolt on mods (other than F/I) do not create horsepower, but only free it up. Therefore, if this were your last N/A mod, you'd be lucky to get 5 hp from it.

No engine in the world can be 100% efficient, therefore, you could never exceed the horsepower at the crank without F/I.


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for $6K on any mod, i rather use that as a downpayment on a faster car...

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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: slidr] #305858 Oct 21, 1:02pm Oct 21, 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by slidr
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[b][i]This would definately help us N/A guys hit the 250 mark! Maybe even higher!



Sounds like ricer math to me.
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How could you hit 250 horsepower if you were N/A? wtf

In theory, that would mean that our engines put out that much or more at the crank.

Bolt on mods (other than F/I) do not create horsepower, but only free it up. Therefore, if this were your last N/A mod, you'd be lucky to get 5 hp from it.

No engine in the world can be 100% efficient, therefore, you could never exceed the horsepower at the crank without F/I. [/quote]

Slidr...before you open your mouth and poop out nonsense do some research. It is not ricer math. For instance, a stroker kit alone on our cars takes the engine to 220whp.

How hard do you think it would be to get to 250whp? Maybe with a header, Intake (Or Intake manifold), Power FC, Exhaust...etc...

It is you who is the ricer my friend. Don't knock it if you don't know anything about it. happywink

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Originally Posted by xXMaGNuSXx
Why did Toyota make our engines so damn hard to play with?


...that what im talking bout man...praech on!!!!! spineyes

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: ragingpaseo] #305860 Oct 21, 1:04pm Oct 21, 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
for $6K on any mod, i rather use that as a downpayment on a faster car...


Price might not be 6k. If enough are interested, it could be closer to 2k maybe... As the guy from TWM said, "It is simple economics. We can sell 10 b18 models for each 2zz model."

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: silver] #305861 Oct 21, 1:07pm Oct 21, 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by silver
They do not fit onto the Celica. They work with the 2zz but are not compatible with the way the Celica is.

"Toyota 2ZZ 1800cc DOHC
Owing to extreme installation difficulties, and the complex nature of this design, we have decided to remove this from our future products. It is possible to make throttles for the ENGINE but the installation in a Celica GTS is impractical. Follow this link to our Custom Applications page for availability of throttles for the 2ZZ ENGINE."

http://www.twminduction.com/ThrottleBody/ThrottleBody-FR.html

You can make a custom ITB setup with GSX-R throttle bodies and a lot of ingenuity. Go to Honda-Tech.com and search for ITB. Tons of info. thumbsup Good luck getting them to work with the Celica MAF though.


They come with an aftermarket ECU that fixes the MAF problem. Furthermore, I belive a Power FC would take care of that problem as well if it was properly tuned.

IT DOES FIT THE CELICA. The only reason they were not going to keep producing it is because of the low demand. Frankly, no one knew about it.

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we checked into it with twm a while back it was 3K to make a custom set out the door. waaay too much for 10-15whp max!

You also need a standalone engine management with the itb set up so tack on another 1K for the pfc and another 500 or so in parts to convert to map sensor, and then another 1500 or so in dyno tuning

it just starts to get more and more expensive.


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Originally Posted by Illusive
we checked into it with twm a while back it was 3K to make a custom set out the door. waaay too much for 10-15whp max!

You also need a standalone engine management with the itb set up so tack on another 1K for the pfc and another 500 or so in parts to convert to map sensor, and then another 1500 or so in dyno tuning

it just starts to get more and more expensive.


Every N/A celica should have a Power FC anyway. All I am saying is...If your not hardcore... stay home. thumbsup

I personally am going to do it no matter what it takes. I will whore myself out to old women and such. I WILL do whatever it takes to build the fastest N/A Celica EVER! BuaHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHHA! laughsilly

Oh I just need TPR to start MOVING THERE ASSES AND BUILD ME A RACE HEADER! BAH! thumbsup

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305864 Oct 21, 4:28pm Oct 21, 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by slidr
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[b][i]This would definately help us N/A guys hit the 250 mark! Maybe even higher!



Sounds like ricer math to me.
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How could you hit 250 horsepower if you were N/A? wtf

In theory, that would mean that our engines put out that much or more at the crank.

Bolt on mods (other than F/I) do not create horsepower, but only free it up. Therefore, if this were your last N/A mod, you'd be lucky to get 5 hp from it.

No engine in the world can be 100% efficient, therefore, you could never exceed the horsepower at the crank without F/I.


Slidr...before you open your mouth and poop out nonsense do some research. It is not ricer math. For instance, a stroker kit alone on our cars takes the engine to 220whp.

How hard do you think it would be to get to 250whp? Maybe with a header, Intake (Or Intake manifold), Power FC, Exhaust...etc...

It is you who is the ricer my friend. Don't knock it if you don't know anything about it. happywink [/quote]I wrote a big response to this and tried to post it, but I got script errors, so I'm not gonna try and type it out again.


Bottom line is, you are wrong. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Open a physics book and read a little about energy.

How in the hell will adding simple bolt-ons create horsepower?

It won't. It will free it up by allowing the engine to operate more efficiently. That's how it works. So even if you were to make the GTS engine 99.99999999% efficient, you would be putting down nothing close to 250 horsepower.

Unless there is a little motor, or some kind of mechanical device inside of your exhaust or Intake that compresses air, or shoots some kind of jesus juice into your engine, there is no way on this fucking earth that you can make an engine more than 100% efficient, without modifying the internal aspects of the engine itself.

Yes, a stroker kit would allow you to do that, and the engine would actually create more power, but 250 is a ridiculous number that you arrived at with absoultely no calculations or regard for any scientific law in this universe.


So before you correct me, know what YOU are talking about.


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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305865 Oct 21, 4:37pm Oct 21, 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by Illusive
we checked into it with twm a while back it was 3K to make a custom set out the door. waaay too much for 10-15whp max!

You also need a standalone engine management with the itb set up so tack on another 1K for the pfc and another 500 or so in parts to convert to map sensor, and then another 1500 or so in dyno tuning

it just starts to get more and more expensive.


Every N/A celica should have a Power FC anyway. All I am saying is...If your not hardcore... stay home. thumbsup

Gee, that doesn't sound ricer at all.

Did you know that the Celica is not a drag car?! eek

Besides, I think Lucky and Illusive have you beat in every aspect of the N/A Celica.


BTW, how old are you anyways?


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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: slidr] #305866 Oct 21, 5:14pm Oct 21, 5:14pm
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everyone be nice. haha. at least your tryin rocketman, but those numbers seem high.. eek if you do get one give us some feedback thumbsup

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: slidr] #305867 Oct 21, 6:31pm Oct 21, 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by slidr
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by Illusive
we checked into it with twm a while back it was 3K to make a custom set out the door. waaay too much for 10-15whp max!

You also need a standalone engine management with the itb set up so tack on another 1K for the pfc and another 500 or so in parts to convert to map sensor, and then another 1500 or so in dyno tuning

it just starts to get more and more expensive.


Every N/A celica should have a Power FC anyway. All I am saying is...If your not hardcore... stay home. thumbsup

Gee, that doesn't sound ricer at all.

Did you know that the Celica is not a drag car?! eek

Besides, I think Lucky and Illusive have you beat in every aspect of the N/A Celica.


BTW, how old are you anyways?


Wow, I apologize. You are right. I have no time slips or anything to prove that I am as fast as Illusive or Lucky. Did I ever say I was? Maybe you could point that out to me? You have some serious anger issues. Obviously I can't type something over the internet without it being taken seriously... As fot WHP. I can't believe that you think the Celica can't make 250 WHP N/A! Of course I can't prove it because no one has tried it! All I have are the #'s off of Trials Website. If they are correct (That the 2zz reached 220whp with the stroker kit WITHOUT any boltons) Then I can't see why the Celica couldn't hit more than 250WHP. I read somewhere that TPR was shooting for 270whp with there N/A celica. Personally I think that 270whp is out of the celicas reach. However, if they can do it..GREAT! I am not here to bash peoples ideas with no warrant to do so.

Man I must have really pissed you off. By the way, I am 22.

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screw the manifold, we need a bigger throttle body that is totally separate.


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You will NEVER make more than 200whp NA with the stock cams. N-E-V-E-R.

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305870 Oct 21, 8:17pm Oct 21, 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
Originally Posted by slidr
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[b][i]This would definately help us N/A guys hit the 250 mark! Maybe even higher!



Sounds like ricer math to me.
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How could you hit 250 horsepower if you were N/A? wtf

In theory, that would mean that our engines put out that much or more at the crank.

Bolt on mods (other than F/I) do not create horsepower, but only free it up. Therefore, if this were your last N/A mod, you'd be lucky to get 5 hp from it.

No engine in the world can be 100% efficient, therefore, you could never exceed the horsepower at the crank without F/I.


Slidr...before you open your mouth and poop out nonsense do some research. It is not ricer math. For instance, a stroker kit alone on our cars takes the engine to 220whp.

How hard do you think it would be to get to 250whp? Maybe with a header, Intake (Or Intake manifold), Power FC, Exhaust...etc...

It is you who is the ricer my friend. Don't knock it if you don't know anything about it. happywink [/quote]

dang Rocketman you think I'm over the hill and going blind and need big print to read???

slidr, Rocketman's right on this one. though I think he's mistaken on the 220whp I believe he got from Trial's website. I think it's 220 at the crank.

slidr, who said anything about bolt-ons being all the N/A guys plan to do? I think that just came out of your head. No, I'm not hating on you, just saying. BTW, go with the Glock 22.


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Rocketman, you'll need a lot of cash to get the Celica GTS to 250 whp N/A, but I believe it can be done...if you move to Vegas and become a Chippendale's dancer or something. rofl thumbsup


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Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: QTRMLR_1] #305872 Oct 21, 8:40pm Oct 21, 8:40pm
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damn i wish it was for the gt and it was under 2k so my dreams of making a 200+hp all motor gt would be closer and closer to a reality


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Originally Posted by xXMaGNuSXx
Why did Toyota make our engines so damn hard to play with?


well i do enjoy my extended warrenty for one

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i think those thingy will make our little 4 cyclinder engine drink more oil than a viper...

imo, it is only the mod for racers that live at tracks. or racing teams. for us normal drivers, we dont need and will not want to have those thing. PERIOD.


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"damn that'll give a lot of room for a turbo! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup"


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you can't have Ram Air on the celica...The ECU will recalibrate itsself...

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recalibrate? ...oh recalculate? or I am just being too optimistic for you? grin


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Originally Posted by silver
You will NEVER make more than 200whp NA with the stock cams. N-E-V-E-R.

LOL, I can almost guarantee you that with just TPR I/H/M/E and a PFC, a GTS will make 200whp, if not more (with just TPR I/E, you can make about 180whp on a healthy engine). Then you can do other mods like flywheel, pullies, port and polish and valves, and even lightweight internals, and you'd have at least 10hp more. Cams would be the icing on the cake, but aren't necessary to get above 200whp.

Originally Posted by Larry_GTS
you can't have Ram Air on the celica...The ECU will recalibrate itsself...

Um, any car can have ram air, it's just that you'd have to do a ton of research and spend $$$$ to get a properly working setup if none was already available (like with the Celica). The ECU wouldn't do a thing to recalibrate itself if it was getting the proper MAFS readings.

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Originally Posted by Blue_Bomber
Originally Posted by silver
You will NEVER make more than 200whp NA with the stock cams. N-E-V-E-R.

LOL, I can almost guarantee you that with just TPR I/H/M/E and a PFC, a GTS will make 200whp, if not more (with just TPR I/E, you can make about 180whp on a healthy engine). Then you can do other mods like flywheel, pullies, port and polish and valves, and even lightweight internals, and you'd have at least 10hp more. Cams would be the icing on the cake, but aren't necessary to get above 200whp.

Originally Posted by Larry_GTS
you can't have Ram Air on the celica...The ECU will recalibrate itsself...

Um, any car can have ram air, it's just that you'd have to do a ton of research and spend $$$$ to get a properly working setup if none was already available (like with the Celica). The ECU wouldn't do a thing to recalibrate itself if it was getting the proper MAFS readings.


FINALLY! I was getting trashed so much... Look, if the 220 rating from the Trial web site was from the crank, then I apologize for the mis-quote. however, I STILL belive that one can reach 250 WHP on an N/A celica. It can be done, it will be done, and so help me God if I have to become a Chip N Dales dancer in Vegas I WILL make it happen! thumbsup

Oh and that big lettering... drives me nuts. It did it automatically when I quoted Slidr. Sorry! frown

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Rocketman] #305880 Oct 22, 10:52am Oct 22, 10:52am
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Maybe I should remind you all that we have 4 cylinders and if you really wanted serous hp then you should have gotten a different car with a bigger motor.

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Brian63] #305881 Oct 22, 11:09am Oct 22, 11:09am
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Making 250hp or 250whp is not out of the question, the really problem is do you have the money and time to spend. For many years there have been N/A 4-cylinder race engines making 250-300+hp, sure we may not be able to build a full blown race engine but its possible. Many N/A drag Hondas use 1.6 and 1.8 liter B-series engines (though some are stroked, not all of them are) that make 200-250hp so its deffinitely possible to make that kind of power out of small displacement engine.

Toyota made this engine to be a moderately tuned engine to begin with, thats why in order to make power you can't go with the usual cheap way you have to make big upgrades, because the stock is already good.

Also the whole import racing scene is all about taking small displacement 4-cylinder cars and taking them to power and performance levels that many people don't believe is possible. And about the physics thing, for many many years they said that Front wheel drive cars would never break the 9 second barrier on the 1/4 mile using the same "laws of physics" excuse, but today some FWD cars are able to go 7 sec., so please try not to use the same old physics excuse unless you happen to mechanical engineer that has actually tested out if something works or not.

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: Brian63] #305882 Oct 22, 11:10am Oct 22, 11:10am
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well if they can drop the price to about $1500 i'll get one but any more would be way too high for me.

Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: shonen] #305883 Oct 22, 11:58am Oct 22, 11:58am
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Originally Posted by shonen
Making 250hp or 250whp is not out of the question, the really problem is do you have the money and time to spend. For many years there have been N/A 4-cylinder race engines making 250-300+hp, sure we may not be able to build a full blown race engine but its possible. Many N/A drag Hondas use 1.6 and 1.8 liter B-series engines (though some are stroked, not all of them are) that make 200-250hp so its deffinitely possible to make that kind of power out of small displacement engine.

Toyota made this engine to be a moderately tuned engine to begin with, thats why in order to make power you can't go with the usual cheap way you have to make big upgrades, because the stock is already good.

Also the whole import racing scene is all about taking small displacement 4-cylinder cars and taking them to power and performance levels that many people don't believe is possible. And about the physics thing, for many many years they said that Front wheel drive cars would never break the 9 second barrier on the 1/4 mile using the same "laws of physics" excuse, but today some FWD cars are able to go 7 sec., so please try not to use the same old physics excuse unless you happen to mechanical engineer that has actually tested out if something works or not.


thumbsup thumbsup

I couldn't have said it better myself. Actually if you do a search I've said the same thing many times.

Though not all of us are that gifted to become Chippers so sponsors would be nice... Need a pimp, Rocketman? rofl rofl


I get my kicks on EC.
Re: Individual Throttle Body Intake Manifold! [Re: QTRMLR_1] #305884 Oct 22, 12:08pm Oct 22, 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
Originally Posted by shonen
Making 250hp or 250whp is not out of the question, the really problem is do you have the money and time to spend. For many years there have been N/A 4-cylinder race engines making 250-300+hp, sure we may not be able to build a full blown race engine but its possible. Many N/A drag Hondas use 1.6 and 1.8 liter B-series engines (though some are stroked, not all of them are) that make 200-250hp so its deffinitely possible to make that kind of power out of small displacement engine.

Toyota made this engine to be a moderately tuned engine to begin with, thats why in order to make power you can't go with the usual cheap way you have to make big upgrades, because the stock is already good.

Also the whole import racing scene is all about taking small displacement 4-cylinder cars and taking them to power and performance levels that many people don't believe is possible. And about the physics thing, for many many years they said that Front wheel drive cars would never break the 9 second barrier on the 1/4 mile using the same "laws of physics" excuse, but today some FWD cars are able to go 7 sec., so please try not to use the same old physics excuse unless you happen to mechanical engineer that has actually tested out if something works or not.


thumbsup thumbsup

I couldn't have said it better myself. Actually if you do a search I've said the same thing many times.

Though not all of us are that gifted to become Chippers so sponsors would be nice... Need a pimp, Rocketman? rofl rofl


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