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How to incease Torque and HP #305197 Oct 20, 4:01pm Oct 20, 4:01pm
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How to incease Torque and HP
Hey, Im new to the site, I got a 1991 Celica GT, unfortunantly automatic, i wish i could change that. anyways i just got a ram air Intake on it and that helps a bit, i was wondering how i could increase Torque and HP relativly cheap for starters. and how can i steam clean an engine?

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305198 Oct 20, 4:12pm Oct 20, 4:12pm
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you can get a better clutch/flywheel set, so that more of your BHP becomes WHP. also try an exhaust system and some headers. this is all assuming you want to stay n/a, and not f/i.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: combatc87] #305199 Oct 20, 4:14pm Oct 20, 4:14pm
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um..thats for that advice, but is there a way you can kinda explaine all that, im trying to learn as I go.

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305200 Oct 20, 4:17pm Oct 20, 4:17pm
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i will help explain.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305201 Oct 20, 4:19pm Oct 20, 4:19pm
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You cannot get a new clutch or flywheel (its located on the transmission for a stick-shift.)

You're best bet it to buy an exhaust system and a header to improve your air circulation.

so far you've got an air Intake, which is good, but get an exhaust and a header to complete the air circulation process that your car goes through.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305202 Oct 20, 4:20pm Oct 20, 4:20pm
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N/A = naturally aspirated; meaning you dont have a turbo or supercharger in your engine.

F/I = forced induction; meaning you have a turbo or supercharger in your engine.

F/I modifications are expensive, very expensive.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305203 Oct 20, 4:22pm Oct 20, 4:22pm
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Ok, i understood the clutch thing, thats why i thought it was weird to get new ones. and as for the exhuast. what kind of muffler should i get, everyone around here talks of TRD but they dont make that for my model, what are my options in exauhst area. also i have only been able to find one supplier for my model for headers and they are like 570.00 dollers, is that reasonable?

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305204 Oct 20, 4:23pm Oct 20, 4:23pm
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also you can buy a new ECU from companies such as GReddy, HKS, Apexi, ETC. you can program this to tune your car and gain more HP and torque.

Do not buy anything from eBay that has a word "chip" in the title, IE, Super Chip that will give you an added 30hp. these are fake.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305205 Oct 20, 4:24pm Oct 20, 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
Ok, i understood the clutch thing, thats why i thought it was weird to get new ones. and as for the exhuast. what kind of muffler should i get, everyone around here talks of TRD but they dont make that for my model, what are my options in exauhst area. also i have only been able to find one supplier for my model for headers and they are like 570.00 dollers, is that reasonable?


i'll look at some sites and see what they have for your car. BRB thumbsup


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305206 Oct 20, 4:31pm Oct 20, 4:31pm
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K thanks, any help would be awsome.

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305207 Oct 20, 4:32pm Oct 20, 4:32pm
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here is my suggestion for your exhaust:
I think you should do a custom exhaust setup meaning that you buy a universal-fitting muffler, have a muffler shop creating a custom piping that can be welded onto your car.

this is more cheaper and plus there arent that many selections out there for your celica.

here are two types of mufflers you should get:
Stinger Carbon Fiber muffler http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_large_pic.cfm?vpic=L2553857.jpg

or the Apexi-N1 muffler http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/pImgLeft_exhausts_universal3.jpg


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305208 Oct 20, 4:36pm Oct 20, 4:36pm
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i only put the Apexi-N1 muffler only becuase i thought that you would want a "name-brand" muffler.

but it doesnt matter. For me, I'd go with the Carbon Fiber exhaust muffler.

here is the store link for the Carbon Fiber muffler: http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_...20%20%20Stinger


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305209 Oct 20, 4:37pm Oct 20, 4:37pm
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here's the store link of the Apexi-N1 muffler: http://www.apexi-usa.com/exhausts_universal.asp

(they also come in different colors grin )


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305210 Oct 20, 4:38pm Oct 20, 4:38pm
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Ok, thanks for that advice. this is my first car. i know its an older model, it has a 2.2L so why does the newer models have 180 HP at 1.8L? do you personally think my vehicle is worth modifying?

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305211 Oct 20, 4:40pm Oct 20, 4:40pm
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crap, that carbon fibert muffler is about 160.00 what is so different from the cheap 50 doller ones, performance wise?

Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305212 Oct 20, 4:42pm Oct 20, 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
crap, that carbon fibert muffler is about 160.00 what is so different from the cheap 50 doller ones, performance wise?


i think the $50 dollar ones will rust, there really isnt a performance gain with just a muffler maybe just like 3HP, you'll need better piping for it to gain more HP.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305213 Oct 20, 4:43pm Oct 20, 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
Ok, thanks for that advice. this is my first car. i know its an older model, it has a 2.2L so why does the newer models have 180 HP at 1.8L? do you personally think my vehicle is worth modifying?


The new Celica's engine is better tuned.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305214 Oct 20, 4:44pm Oct 20, 4:44pm
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i don't know why i posted about the clutch and flywheel. i read that you have an auto, but i was just thinking about what i plan on doing on my car when i was typing. you could get a new torque converter, though.

as for the muffler, i doubt there is an difference in performance. it's just more expensive because carbon fiber is an expensive material.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305215 Oct 20, 4:44pm Oct 20, 4:44pm
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how does your car look?

is it beat up?

do you plan on fixing up its appearance as well?

it all depends on you bro. thumbsup


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305216 Oct 20, 4:45pm Oct 20, 4:45pm
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i dont know if there is a torque converter out for his car, but he prolly can get one made (but its gonna cost a lot of money)


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305217 Oct 20, 4:47pm Oct 20, 4:47pm
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Have you tought of swapping your engine for the All-Trac (3SGTE) engine? that alone if around 220-ish HP.

plus you wont have to worry about cops harassing your, because there is no law prohibiting you from upgrading your engine to follow the strict laws of Smog and Emission happywink


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305218 Oct 20, 4:48pm Oct 20, 4:48pm
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I couldnt find any Header for your car.

you're prolly gonna have to get a custom one done.


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305219 Oct 20, 4:48pm Oct 20, 4:48pm
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K one last thing, sorry im posting so much. So basically the best step is exhuast right now. I plan on eventually getting headers, piping and muffler. what order should i do this in? and how much relativly is it for a muffler shop to put in new piping?

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Hmm, that's the best I could do for you, bro.

if you need any help, PM or something.

plus, there are still more people here that know more than I do that will eventually help you out. thumbsup

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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305221 Oct 20, 4:51pm Oct 20, 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
K one last thing, sorry im posting so much. So basically the best step is exhuast right now. I plan on eventually getting headers, piping and muffler. what order should i do this in? and how much relativly is it for a muffler shop to put in new piping?


shouldnt be that much, I'd say its around like $230ish. its a lot more cheaper than buying a "brand-name" exhaust. plus you can have the piping with less curves on it to give out more power. smile


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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: Zero] #305222 Oct 20, 4:52pm Oct 20, 4:52pm
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oh yah, PM Easy_C or BlueBomber if they have a TPR exhaust that can fit your celica. thumbsup


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where would i go to even buy a All-Trac (3SGTE) engine for my car?

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Re: How to incease Torque and HP [Re: bladed_metal] #305225 Oct 20, 5:32pm Oct 20, 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by bladed_metal

where would i go to even buy a All-Trac (3SGTE) engine for my car?


i didnt know ARD was also for toyotas. the one next to my area sells a lot of honda stuff. spineyes


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