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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:01am - #305197 

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How to incease Torque and HP

Hey, Im new to the site, I got a 1991 Celica GT, unfortunantly automatic, i wish i could change that. anyways i just got a ram air Intake on it and that helps a bit, i was wondering how i could increase Torque and HP relativly cheap for starters. and how can i steam clean an engine?
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combatc87 Oct 21, 12:12am - #305198 

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you can get a better clutch/flywheel set, so that more of your BHP becomes WHP. also try an exhaust system and some headers. this is all assuming you want to stay n/a, and not f/i.

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:14am - #305199 

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um..thats for that advice, but is there a way you can kinda explaine all that, im trying to learn as I go.
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Zero Oct 21, 12:17am - #305200 

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i will help explain.

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Zero Oct 21, 12:19am - #305201 

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You cannot get a new clutch or flywheel (its located on the transmission for a stick-shift.)

You're best bet it to buy an exhaust system and a header to improve your air circulation.

so far you've got an air Intake, which is good, but get an exhaust and a header to complete the air circulation process that your car goes through.

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Zero Oct 21, 12:20am - #305202 

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N/A = naturally aspirated; meaning you dont have a turbo or supercharger in your engine.

F/I = forced induction; meaning you have a turbo or supercharger in your engine.

F/I modifications are expensive, very expensive.

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:22am - #305203 

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Ok, i understood the clutch thing, thats why i thought it was weird to get new ones. and as for the exhuast. what kind of muffler should i get, everyone around here talks of TRD but they dont make that for my model, what are my options in exauhst area. also i have only been able to find one supplier for my model for headers and they are like 570.00 dollers, is that reasonable?
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Zero Oct 21, 12:23am - #305204 

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also you can buy a new ECU from companies such as GReddy, HKS, Apexi, ETC. you can program this to tune your car and gain more HP and torque.

Do not buy anything from eBay that has a word "chip" in the title, IE, Super Chip that will give you an added 30hp. these are fake.

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Zero Oct 21, 12:24am - #305205 

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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
Ok, i understood the clutch thing, thats why i thought it was weird to get new ones. and as for the exhuast. what kind of muffler should i get, everyone around here talks of TRD but they dont make that for my model, what are my options in exauhst area. also i have only been able to find one supplier for my model for headers and they are like 570.00 dollers, is that reasonable?


i'll look at some sites and see what they have for your car. BRB thumbsup

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:31am - #305206 

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K thanks, any help would be awsome.
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Zero Oct 21, 12:32am - #305207 

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here is my suggestion for your exhaust:
I think you should do a custom exhaust setup meaning that you buy a universal-fitting muffler, have a muffler shop creating a custom piping that can be welded onto your car.

this is more cheaper and plus there arent that many selections out there for your celica.

here are two types of mufflers you should get:
Stinger Carbon Fiber muffler http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_large_pic.cfm?vpic=L2553857.jpg

or the Apexi-N1 muffler http://www.apexi-usa.com/graphics/pImgLeft_exhausts_universal3.jpg

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Zero Oct 21, 12:36am - #305208 

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i only put the Apexi-N1 muffler only becuase i thought that you would want a "name-brand" muffler.

but it doesnt matter. For me, I'd go with the Carbon Fiber exhaust muffler.

here is the store link for the Carbon Fiber muffler: http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_...20%20%20Stinger

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Zero Oct 21, 12:37am - #305209 

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here's the store link of the Apexi-N1 muffler: http://www.apexi-usa.com/exhausts_universal.asp

(they also come in different colors grin )

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:38am - #305210 

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Ok, thanks for that advice. this is my first car. i know its an older model, it has a 2.2L so why does the newer models have 180 HP at 1.8L? do you personally think my vehicle is worth modifying?
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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:40am - #305211 

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crap, that carbon fibert muffler is about 160.00 what is so different from the cheap 50 doller ones, performance wise?
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Zero Oct 21, 12:42am - #305212 

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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
crap, that carbon fibert muffler is about 160.00 what is so different from the cheap 50 doller ones, performance wise?


i think the $50 dollar ones will rust, there really isnt a performance gain with just a muffler maybe just like 3HP, you'll need better piping for it to gain more HP.

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Zero Oct 21, 12:43am - #305213 

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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
Ok, thanks for that advice. this is my first car. i know its an older model, it has a 2.2L so why does the newer models have 180 HP at 1.8L? do you personally think my vehicle is worth modifying?


The new Celica's engine is better tuned.

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combatc87 Oct 21, 12:44am - #305214 

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i don't know why i posted about the clutch and flywheel. i read that you have an auto, but i was just thinking about what i plan on doing on my car when i was typing. you could get a new torque converter, though.

as for the muffler, i doubt there is an difference in performance. it's just more expensive because carbon fiber is an expensive material.

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Zero Oct 21, 12:44am - #305215 

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how does your car look?

is it beat up?

do you plan on fixing up its appearance as well?

it all depends on you bro. thumbsup

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Zero Oct 21, 12:45am - #305216 

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i dont know if there is a torque converter out for his car, but he prolly can get one made (but its gonna cost a lot of money)

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Zero Oct 21, 12:47am - #305217 

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Have you tought of swapping your engine for the All-Trac (3SGTE) engine? that alone if around 220-ish HP.

plus you wont have to worry about cops harassing your, because there is no law prohibiting you from upgrading your engine to follow the strict laws of Smog and Emission happywink

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Zero Oct 21, 12:48am - #305218 

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I couldnt find any Header for your car.

you're prolly gonna have to get a custom one done.

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 12:48am - #305219 

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K one last thing, sorry im posting so much. So basically the best step is exhuast right now. I plan on eventually getting headers, piping and muffler. what order should i do this in? and how much relativly is it for a muffler shop to put in new piping?
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Zero Oct 21, 12:49am - #305220 

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Hmm, that's the best I could do for you, bro.

if you need any help, PM or something.

plus, there are still more people here that know more than I do that will eventually help you out. thumbsup

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Zero Oct 21, 12:51am - #305221 

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Originally Posted by bladed_metal
K one last thing, sorry im posting so much. So basically the best step is exhuast right now. I plan on eventually getting headers, piping and muffler. what order should i do this in? and how much relativly is it for a muffler shop to put in new piping?


shouldnt be that much, I'd say its around like $230ish. its a lot more cheaper than buying a "brand-name" exhaust. plus you can have the piping with less curves on it to give out more power. smile

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Zero Oct 21, 12:52am - #305222 

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oh yah, PM Easy_C or BlueBomber if they have a TPR exhaust that can fit your celica. thumbsup

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bladed_metal Oct 21, 1:00am - #305223 

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where would i go to even buy a All-Trac (3SGTE) engine for my car?
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combatc87 Oct 21, 1:22am - #305224 

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Zero Oct 21, 1:32am - #305225 

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Originally Posted by bladed_metal

where would i go to even buy a All-Trac (3SGTE) engine for my car?


i didnt know ARD was also for toyotas. the one next to my area sells a lot of honda stuff. spineyes

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