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Oct 15, 8:28am - #300449 
Celica GTS 2zz vs. Lotus Elise 2zz dyno

from SCC...look at the smoother power curve of the LOtus..sweet thumbsup

1953276691-2Lotus-Elise-vs-Celica-Dyno.jpg

Originally posted by SKOOF:
yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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Oct 15, 9:29am - #300450 
It's a good comparison, seeing as the lotus has the same engine as the GTS smile But I'm pretty confident clarkson said lotus had changed the motor managment system to better suit their car, so I guess that'll have something to do with the lotus'es slightly different curve.

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Oct 15, 9:32am - #300451 
nice dyno chart; however, we're still slower because of the weight and RWD difference...

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Oct 15, 9:45am - #300452 
absolutely...i wanted to show what a good tuned ecu can do to a 2ZZ...with lotus being 190hp and ours being 180. the hp gain is negligible in my opinion. it's the smoother delivery of power that i want.

of course performance wise we are comparing a FWD car that weighs 2500lbs to a RWD car that weighs 1975lbs. no comparision..but same engine. i am really keeping a close eye at what new things lotus is doing with their elises...i hear a rots type blower is in the works @ 250hp.


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yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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Oct 15, 10:45am - #300453 
...hell yeah s/c 2zz...man!!!!!!! a legite one at that... thumbsup


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I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
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Oct 15, 10:53am - #300454 
how long until the Lotus modifications find their way onto celicas... happywink

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Oct 15, 10:54am - #300455 
what the 2ZZ needs are cams... cry


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Oct 15, 11:01am - #300456 
well from what i've heard, the lotus also has a modified computer that manages the engine well enough so that the engine doesn't break when you're constantly in the higher-RPM ranges.

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Oct 15, 11:04am - #300457 
a 2zz already has a high lift cam!!!! the duration when it engages lift is 292 degress with 11.2 mm of lift!!!!!! what the 2zz NEEDS IS A STROKE!!!!! an increase in the 2zz's stroke would drastically improve the bottom end of its power curve, especially the torque, and make it a crazy engine!!!!

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Oct 15, 11:32am - #300458 
The Elise isn't a just a RWD but also a mid-engine car, and if you have driven a MR2 you know theres a big advantage at the launching capabilites of that kind of car.

The 2ZZ doesn't need STROKE unless you are also going to bore out the cylinders as well, giving the car a longer stroke gives it more displacement but the shorter stroke is what allows the 2ZZ to rev so high so quickly, thats why the 2ZZ has a shorter stroke then the 1ZZ but bigger bore to compensate for displacement. But you can't bore to big or else the piston well be too heavy and slow the engines speed. The 2ZZ is a well balanced engine made for high revving natural aspiration.

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Oct 15, 12:44pm - #300459 
^^^^ Now that is a good point...

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Oct 15, 6:09pm - #300460 
that little difference equals a lot more than you would think


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Oct 15, 6:14pm - #300461 
I want my gts to rev to 9k. What is the safest way. I think the apex-i power fc might be the best route, any suggestions?

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Oct 15, 6:36pm - #300462 
Is the lotus 4 cylinder like the celica?

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Oct 15, 6:38pm - #300463 
Originally Posted by amtemp
Is the lotus 4 cylinder like the celica?
Same engine as the GTS.


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Oct 15, 6:46pm - #300464 
Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
a 2zz already has a high lift cam!!!! the duration when it engages lift is 292 degress with 11.2 mm of lift!!!!!! what the 2zz NEEDS IS A STROKE!!!!! an increase in the 2zz's stroke would drastically improve the bottom end of its power curve, especially the torque, and make it a crazy engine!!!!


entirely true thumbsup


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Oct 15, 6:48pm - #300465 
Originally Posted by slidr
Originally Posted by amtemp
Is the lotus 4 cylinder like the celica?
Same engine as the GTS.


but i but read somewhere that the lotus is using the JDM version of the GTS engine right?


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Oct 15, 6:50pm - #300466 
Originally Posted by sincere2883
Originally Posted by slidr
Originally Posted by amtemp
Is the lotus 4 cylinder like the celica?
Same engine as the GTS.


but i but read somewhere that the lotus is using the JDM version of the GTS engine right?
Never heard that before.


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Oct 16, 12:47am - #300467 
So, is it possible to install the elise ecu on a gts? Would it make any differnce? How much would it cost? And why hasn't anyone done it yet?

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Oct 16, 9:44am - #300468 
They may be faster and cooler looking but at 3500rpms theyll be eating oour torque advantage

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Oct 16, 11:28am - #300469 
^^^^ torque advantage confused confused spineyes

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