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Noel Sep 17, 5:45pm - #277520 

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hope i don't get banned for this...

alright, don't get mad guys but i'm a honda believer now. my best friend just dropped a type-r engine into his civic hatchback and that thing can fly! it feels awesome when the vtec kicks in. i tried keeping up with him in my gt but he just kept pulling away, it was really frown. now i really want to start working on a Turbo system so i can smoke him.
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Steven Sep 17, 5:46pm - #277521 
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that's great, good luck though

You'll need a lot of it if he has a b16 or b18.
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Speed4TheNeed Sep 17, 5:47pm - #277522 

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why would you get banned for saying that?

no one here can argue that honda/acura has a much better aftermarket compared with toyota. honda's have much more combinations for engine swaps--it's really a great thing thumbsup

now go get a Turbo happywink
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Noel Sep 17, 6:00pm - #277523 

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yeah i was just joking about the ban thing, it just that some people here really hate hondas, the sad thing is that his exhaust from his old engine is restricting this engine, its holding back about 20 or so horsepower, damn.
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ct Sep 17, 6:11pm - #277524 

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Originally Posted by Noel
it just that some people here really hate hondas


this really puzzles me. hondas are great cars...it was actually the acura nsx that brought vtec to our shores. some peope are just spineyes

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yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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Noel Sep 17, 6:13pm - #277525 

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yeah i guess it's just those few honda owners that talk shit about all other cars that give honda owners a bad name, personally i'm blown away by the potential of honda engines

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isaac Sep 17, 6:19pm - #277526 
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Have you ever driven a luxury vehicle such as what Lexus or BMW have to offer? or a vehicle with HP that starts in atleast the 300's from the production floor... What about a REAL sports car... grin

Sorry to say - Acura is nice, but the Honda vehicles that people do swaps with, scream "ECONOMY" - no matter how much $$$ they dump into them wave

Maybe its just me getting sick of the whole industry - or its just me getting sick of all the ricers in Los Angeles who think that buying an out-dated Honda (beater) and skidding around town makes them the fastest thing on four tires thumbsdown

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stefanoc Sep 17, 6:30pm - #277527 

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whoever owns a toyota and talks shit about honda means they dont know much. and visa versa, whoever owns honda talks shit about toyota doesnt know shit about cars.
they are both great cars, and its known that honda makes some sick engines.
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isaac Sep 17, 6:42pm - #277528 
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I own both... what does that make me, a hypocrite rofl

The 2001 Honda EX is not anything special to brag about - this is see why you it pictured in the garage and never discussed rofl

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stefanoc Sep 17, 6:47pm - #277529 

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^^ honda ex. i assume thats an accord. you cant compare the celica with the accord. compare the accord to the camry, celica with the rsx. it comes to personal choice and interest. but once in a while honda makes some awesome engines, like the s2000, k20. the coolest engine toyota has now is probably the vvtli, and they havent made anything newer and better performing than the vvtli, cz i guess they dont need it anymore. at least if toyota is letting go the celica and the mr2, they should put a nice engine in the tC.
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My Sixth Gear Sep 17, 6:56pm - #277530 
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of course a type r motor in a civic hatchback is going to be really fast 195 hp in a car that weighs nothing do the math heh very good swap thumbsup

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Steven Sep 17, 6:58pm - #277531 
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I believe he has a civic but I'm not 100% sure.
It does have a nice engine. It may not be a 2zz-ge or 3s-gte but it gets the job done for what it is. Scion wanted to keep costs down so young people could afford it and not for it to be some bang up high powered car.

Originally Posted by stefanoc
^^ honda ex. i assume thats an accord. you cant compare the celica with the accord. compare the accord to the camry, celica with the rsx. it comes to personal choice and interest. but once in a while honda makes some awesome engines, like the s2000, k20. the coolest engine toyota has now is probably the vvtli, and they havent made anything newer and better performing than the vvtli, cz i guess they dont need it anymore. at least if toyota is letting go the celica and the mr2, they should put a nice engine in the tC.
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stefanoc Sep 17, 7:00pm - #277532 

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^^ok. if they put a camry engine in the scion for the price to stay low then cool. then they should have a sports version of it with a better engine. well, thats where the supercharger comes duh!
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Steven Sep 17, 7:01pm - #277533 
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Scion is depending on aftermarket companies to provide the extra Performance enthusiasts want. I think that plan is brilliant
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CaLiGTS Sep 17, 7:01pm - #277534 

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Originally Posted by isaac
Have you ever driven a luxury vehicle such as what Lexus or BMW have to offer? or a vehicle with HP that starts in atleast the 300's from the production floor... What about a REAL sports car... grin

Sorry to say - Acura is nice, but the Honda vehicles that people do swaps with, scream "ECONOMY" - no matter how much $$$ they dump into them wave

Maybe its just me getting sick of the whole industry - or its just me getting sick of all the ricers in Los Angeles who think that buying an out-dated Honda (beater) and skidding around town makes them the fastest thing on four tires thumbsdown



Im with isaac! DOWN WITH CRAPPY HONDAS!! Down with the industry!!!!
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Polykarb Sep 17, 7:02pm - #277535 

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Originally Posted by isaac
I own both... what does that make me, a hypocrite rofl

The 2001 Honda EX is not anything special to brag about - this is see why you it pictured in the garage and never discussed rofl


rofl rofl thumbsup

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isaac Sep 17, 7:02pm - #277536 
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127hp 2001 Honda CIVIC EX Sedan... Not an Accord

there is a difference rolleyes
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stefanoc Sep 17, 7:25pm - #277537 

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damn i thought the celica was more expensive than the civic
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Zero Sep 17, 8:05pm - #277538 

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^^^yah, theyre about the same price... but thats just the GT, compare it to the GTS and you'll have it at around the price of an RSX-S spineyes

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aznsaiyan509 Sep 17, 8:13pm - #277539 
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Isaac, you own an Acura NSX too right? tongue

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Noel Sep 17, 9:16pm - #277540 

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yeah he has a 99 civic hatchback he's gonna be getting a header, exhaust and maybe an Intake manifold so yeah he's going to be flying. so how come the 1.8L type-r is pushing out 200hp with an 11.0 compression and the 2zzge is only putting out 180 with an 11.5 compression?

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2003cbgts Sep 17, 9:43pm - #277541 

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cause honda sucks nuts... na they make some pretty reliable cars its just ricers have made a very bad image for most hondas. ill be screamin toyota till the wheels fall off thumbsup
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Steven Sep 17, 10:04pm - #277542 
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It could be a number of things. Compression isn't the only factor that makes power.

Originally Posted by Noel
yeah he has a 99 civic hatchback he's gonna be getting a header, exhaust and maybe an Intake manifold so yeah he's going to be flying. so how come the 1.8L type-r is pushing out 200hp with an 11.0 compression and the 2zzge is only putting out 180 with an 11.5 compression?
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Haulin_A_Doo Sep 17, 10:12pm - #277543 
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I know a guy who has a B16B 5spd that he dumped into his honda. Its a fast little car.

+ Honda H/B $1150
- Sold old 1.5L motor/tranny -$250
+ B16B & tranny $850
= Total $1,750

Dam cheap & it would give a GTS a go from one stop light to another. Honda is cheap, reliable & fast if you do the right swap. He's planning on dumping an H22 in it next, that's just crazy! eek
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Haulin_A_Doo Sep 17, 10:14pm - #277544 
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Originally Posted by Noel
yeah he has a 99 civic hatchback he's gonna be getting a header, exhaust and maybe an Intake manifold so yeah he's going to be flying. so how come the 1.8L type-r is pushing out 200hp with an 11.0 compression and the 2zzge is only putting out 180 with an 11.5 compression?
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BTW, those are old Honda specs. They aren't SAE corrected. The RXS-S was the first honda motor to obtain a real 100HP per liter. So a 1.8 s/b about 170HP at the flywheel, about 150HP to the ground.
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ragingpaseo Sep 17, 10:24pm - #277545 
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got to say, honda is nice. my next car would probably be a TL or evo, not a toyota again...
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falkkor Sep 18, 1:11am - #277546 

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Originally Posted by Steven
Scion is depending on aftermarket companies to provide the extra Performance enthusiasts want. I think that plan is brilliant


Its working too. It was a really good move on their part imho
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Vampyre Sep 18, 2:33am - #277547 

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No offense man but you have a GT.. that against a Type-R motor is just like a GTS against a GT. The Type-R is a great thing but it's very over rated.. I had one, and I stand by my trading it in for a GTS.. well except for the trade-in value loss.

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Steven Sep 18, 9:31am - #277548 
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I think he just asked about the power difference between the 2zz-ge and the b18c5 not implying that his friend's civic hatchback had a b18c5. A b18c5 powered hatch is relatively rare, you'd most likey see them with si, gsr, or LS/LS vtec motors...
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GTQuentin Sep 18, 10:18pm - #277549 

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fast i dont care. i will never buy a honda/acura for myself or for my kids. just wont happen. i have a life time grudge.
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RedCelly00 Sep 21, 7:15pm - #277550 

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I love toyota and honda just the same. The b16/18 and h22 engines are awesome. And so are their safety features. This was at 100mph.
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RedCelly00 Sep 21, 7:16pm - #277551 

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Noel Sep 21, 9:37pm - #277552 

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Steven, so what could be some of the reasons that the b18 has more power than the 2zz?

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