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Kenton2k Aug 19, 6:28pm - #253997 
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Civics and Their Swaps?

Im curious about what kind of civics get what kind of engine swaps most commonly.. I dont want to come across one and be clueless as to what could be under the Hood.. quite a few ricers around here.. just wanna be safe so I dont look like a retard haha.
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 19, 6:36pm - #253998 
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B16 is the most common. Its a 1.6L DOHC with Vtech. Good motor & lots of power for a h/b. thumbsup

The H22 is a little more rare, but it kills. The 2.2L DOHC with Vtech puts about 190HP to the road & fits in a 2,000lb hatch back. thumbsup thumbsup
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Clos Aug 19, 6:39pm - #253999 
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just just like Haulin_A_Doo said, those 2 are the ones they love, damn hondas
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Kenton2k Aug 19, 6:40pm - #254000 
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What kind of civics have them though? The newer ones, or the old like CRX's or whatever... what years are they?
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Elec-FuYu Aug 19, 6:44pm - #254001 
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Civic Hatch (EK, EG): B series (B16, B18)
Civic sedan: mostly B series or the following:

1. some may just change a vtec engine block (from the EX 127hp) to a non-vtec engine (115hp).

2. some will swap a Si engine(160) into a civic ex (127hp)

3. prelude H22A engine

4. GSR engine (170hp)

basically... it's either CTR or ITR B series. some may have Turbo to it.

the EP3 may drop a K20A engine(either from RSX Type S, or DC5R)

anywho...i just listed the possible engines that can be swaped...i have no idea wut kinda civic will get what kinda engine swap...

oh and CRXs look out for, they are mostly fast...or (minor) crap..

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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 19, 6:47pm - #254002 
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Someone was talking about the K24 Frankenstein motor. A 2.4L CRV motor with an RSX-S head on it. Dam, I bet that goes & if you can imagine it Turbo'd in a little h/b. eek eek

The motors fit into anything back to 1980. Their engine bays really haven't changed much in dimension.
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QuickChick03gt Aug 19, 6:48pm - #254003 
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Most ones i see swapped are the b18c1 (gsr)
I do know of a crx with a b18c5 (type R) which is really fast.

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Elec-FuYu Aug 19, 6:49pm - #254004 
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^^^ya, their engines are all interchangable... as long as the first letter is the same... B, K, H...

crazy hondas...

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Polykarb Aug 19, 7:28pm - #254005 

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most popular are b series and k series, H series are rare

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Steven Aug 19, 7:37pm - #254006 
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http://www.honda-tech.com

Possible Swaps

Now before someone jumps on me and says anything is possible with enough time and money, I know. These are going to be fairly straightforward options with the pros/cons.

D series swaps
These are fairly inexpensive and come in a variety of Civics. IMHO, these are the easiest swaps to drop in. I also don't want to hear a bunch of whining about the opinions on power levels. Of course there are going to be some exceptions to the rule.

Pros
Inexpensive
Decent potential (200 whp or so on stock internals)
OEM parts are cheap
More than enough for most people
The best D series come with ~130 hp tops
Optional factory LSD in the JDM D15B

Cons
Not as much potential as some other motors
Transmission not geared for accelleration
Don't respond to bolt ons well
Only way to get real power out of them is FI

B16
These can be found in the JDM SIR and SIRII (among other JDM cars, which I don't claim to know all of which it came in) as well as the USDM 99-00 SI (EM1) and the 99-00 Canadian SIR.

Pros
160 hp stock
High RPM power
Fairly inexpensive
Good transmission
DOHC VTEC

Cons
113ft/lbs torque (very little more than a D16z6 stock)
Without knowing what you're looking for you can end up with a high mileage JDM model
Under 4k or so it feels just like a D16

B18B
This is the motor in the non Type-R and non GSR Integra.

Pros
Good torque for a 1.8L (127 ft/lbs)
Inexpensive (even cheaper than a B16)
142 hp (more than any stock D series)
Boost heads love them

Cons
No VTEC
Longest B series transmission

B18C1 (or JDM B18C)
These come out of an Integra GSR.

Pros
Good Hp and TQ numbers (170, 121 ft/lbs respectively)
DOHC VTEC
Tons of potential
High revving

Cons
Expensive
Becoming moreso as people keep scooping them up
Slighty longer tranny than the ITR and B16

B18C5 (or JDM B18C)
This is found in the Integra Type-R. IMHO this is the best swap for a Civic.

Pros
GREAT HP and TQ numbers (195 and 134 ft/lbs)
High revving
Hand built motor from Honda
Optional factory LSD
Best transmission for a B series from the factory
Red valve cover

Cons
EXPENSIVE
If JDM ITR is used, the 36mm axle 32mm hub problems occur

B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs
High revving
Good top end power
Red valve cover

Cons
Expensive- almost as much as an ITR for lower Performance
Very little torque still, have to rev the motor to make power

B20

Pros
Great torque (133 ft/lbs)
good boost motors
inexpensive
B20z=146hp

Cons
Thin cylinder walls
Have to peice together a swap for a Civic (can't drop it in with a B20 tranny)
Won't pass BAR (light truck motor in a car)
Low hp in the B20b(126 hp)

H22/JDM F20B

Pros
200 hp
H22=156 ft/lbs torque
F20B=145 ft/lbs torque
Great torque
DONT WEIGH THAT MUCH MORE THAN A B SWAP!!
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

Cons
Harder to install than a B/D motor
transmission feel is vague IMHO
Less info out there for the swap (aka, less experience as they are less common)
Price of swap is comperable to a B18C5 after everything is said and done (mounts, etc)

K20
This can be found in the new EP3, the RSX (base and Type S) as well as other cars across the world (RSX R, etc). This is the future of the swap IMHO. There is a writeup on installing one of these in one issue of Sport Compact Car magazine (June 2004 I *think*)

Pros
200 hp 158 ft/lbs torque (RSX R)
I-VTEC
Respond VERY well to bolt ons
6 speed transmission
Most have very low miles

Cons
Still super expensive
More difficult swap than a B or D
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 19, 7:43pm - #254007 
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"B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs"


Its a 1.6L & it does not achieve 100HP per liter, so its about 150 at the flywheel. Dyno's I've see have it pusing about 130HP to the road.
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RedSunCelica Aug 19, 11:39pm - #254008 

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yup i give the honda guys lots of respect small car with power full engine = fun race smile

the only bad thing is the majority of the guys/gals that do swaps tend to leave there cars stock so its not easy to see what they have unless you pop there Hood.

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Elec-FuYu Aug 20, 8:12am - #254009 
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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
"B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs"


Its a 1.6L & it does not achieve 100HP per liter, so its about 150 at the flywheel. Dyno's I've see have it pusing about 130HP to the road.

are you sure? im pretty sure the old CTR uses 1.6L, and it says it has 185hp at honda site.(well..not whp of course, but 185 compare to 150...is a big difference...)

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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 20, 5:48pm - #254010 
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Originally Posted by Elec-FuYu
Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
"B16B
This is the motor found in the Civic Type R found all over the world.

Pros
185 hp 117 ft/lbs"


Its a 1.6L & it does not achieve 100HP per liter, so its about 150 at the flywheel. Dyno's I've see have it pusing about 130HP to the road.

are you sure? im pretty sure the old CTR uses 1.6L, and it says it has 185hp at honda site.(well..not whp of course, but 185 compare to 150...is a big difference...)


Yah thier site may say that, but its BS. The RSX-S was the first honda motor to achieve 100HP per liter as far as I know. The RSX has enhanced V-TECH. If those HP ratings were true, it would be getting 116HP per liter. Thier ratings were off just like a lot of other vehicles from then. In the past 5 years, ratings have become more accurate thanks to SAE corrected dynos. thumbsup
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Elec-FuYu Aug 20, 11:06pm - #254011 
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^^^oh ok~ grin

but CTRs do run fast on tracks...no doubt about that grin

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