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TimO Aug 9, 3:48am - #243904 

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Best speakers, subs and amps?

What is everyones opinion? wave

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how much are you willing to spend?
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price is no object! im just curious. thumbsup
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kimchiman201 Aug 9, 3:56am - #243907 
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RevMonster Aug 9, 4:46am - #243910 

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JL has the best subs (W7 line)

I still say the Kappa Perfects might be the best speakers I've heard.

Amps... I'm not an expert

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spaztikid Aug 9, 5:17am - #243911 
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 9, 6:08am - #243912 
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verano Aug 9, 6:17am - #243913 

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
JL has the best subs (W7 line)

I still say the Kappa Perfects might be the best speakers I've heard.


i agree with jon.. thumbsup
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TimO Aug 9, 12:49pm - #243914 

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Okay cool, so what's next in line instead of JL for subs?
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TimO Aug 9, 5:53pm - #243915 

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because those seem to be a little too strong and not what i need spineyes Im thinkin i wanna work with two 12 inch subs... but whats the best brand out there to do that? The JL W7's seem awesome... But I dont think Id want two of those beasts in my car lol. wave
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ragingpaseo Aug 9, 5:56pm - #243916 
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2 10s can do the job, something like polk, rockford, mtx, etc...
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SatinSilverGTS Aug 9, 6:17pm - #243917 

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Comp: Focal or Alpine Type Rs for the money.
Sub: JL W7 12" with 1000 watt amp is all you would need
Amp: JL etc.

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AdamVIP Aug 9, 8:01pm - #243919 
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The only speakers I would put in a car is kicker. same with amps.
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Zero Aug 9, 8:27pm - #243920 

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Kicker L7s hit hard. i'd say they are second compared to W7

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UncleBen Aug 9, 8:42pm - #243921 

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rofl

I mean, come on... My suggestion, do some homework on a forum that know what there talking about concerning audio...
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 9, 9:02pm - #243922 
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12's IMO have a better sound; they are the happy medium between rumble & punch.
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GTS02 Aug 9, 9:25pm - #243923 

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JL, what are you guys smokin smile For almost everything the best company is Diamond Audio. Very expesive but the best. After that it is probably infinity for an all around system but for componet speakers some of the best you can get are focal.
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ShiZZmAhH Aug 9, 9:57pm - #243924 
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ive got a 10" alpine type r and it hits just fine, if you put just about any 10" sub in our cars its going to hit. remember if you get just one w7 of any size with the right amp, then you and everyone around your car will feel it. thumbsup
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 2:30am - #243925 

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ROOKIES!!!!! Image Dynamics and Digital Designs are by far the two top brands of subs. blows JL and Infinity out of the water.

for Image Dynamics is the ID max
Digital designs best sub is the 9500 lines.

for amps i would say US amps or Diamond Audio.

It's all a matter of opinion we all have different tastes in sound. But JL, RF, Alpine, and Infinity all get massed produced these two companies do not.

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ravadude338 Aug 10, 2:38am - #243926 
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Originally Posted by 00celica00gt
ROOKIES!!!!! Image Dynamics and Digital Designs are by far the two top brands of subs. blows JL and Infinity out of the water.

for Image Dynamics is the ID max
Digital designs best sub is the 9500 lines.

for amps i would say US amps or Diamond Audio.

It's all a matter of opinion we all have different tastes in sound. But JL, RF, Alpine, and Infinity all get massed produced these two companies do not.


your wrong my friend the best comp. for car audio shit is calle MMATS
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ravadude338 Aug 10, 2:38am - #243927 
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Originally Posted by 00celica00gt

ROOKIES!!!!! Image Dynamics and Digital Designs are by far the two top brands of subs. blows JL and Infinity out of the water.

for Image Dynamics is the ID max
Digital designs best sub is the 9500 lines.

for amps i would say US amps or Diamond Audio.

It's all a matter of opinion we all have different tastes in sound. But JL, RF, Alpine, and Infinity all get massed produced these two companies do not.


your wrong my friend the best comp. for car audio shit is called MMATS
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 10, 3:34am - #243928 
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JBL makes the worlds most powerful amp: (8110 Watts RMS)
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If only I could have equipment like that. thumbsup
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TimO Aug 10, 3:49am - #243929 

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i was thinkin about Rockford Fosgate Punch? Hows that?
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 4:00am - #243930 

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Originally Posted by ravadude338
Originally Posted by 00celica00gt
ROOKIES!!!!! Image Dynamics and Digital Designs are by far the two top brands of subs. blows JL and Infinity out of the water.

for Image Dynamics is the ID max
Digital designs best sub is the 9500 lines.

for amps i would say US amps or Diamond Audio.

It's all a matter of opinion we all have different tastes in sound. But JL, RF, Alpine, and Infinity all get massed produced these two companies do not.


your wrong my friend the best comp. for car audio shit is called MMATS


Then explain why people hit about 170 db's using 1 of their subs and 4 amps?
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 10, 4:16am - #243931 
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Originally Posted by 00celica00gt
Then explain why people hit about 170 db's using 1 of their subs and 4 amps?


One sub, 170 db's? NFW ... Where did you get that?
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 4:28am - #243932 

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His name is Nate Munsen. Not sure if he competes anymore. But i know last year or 2 years ago he did. He was using 1 DD 9515 and hit 171db and also used a 10" and 12" and hit about 170db. The amps he was using were Directed 2400 i believe. He also had a small car to.

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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 10, 4:34am - #243933 
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Sounds impossible to me.

I have seen with my own two eyes a car hit 155db & the fucking thing nearly exploded. The sound pressure was pushing the doors out & all the windows were moving in and out. It took 4 X 15" subs and piles of wattage to do it.

170db range needs about 15,000+ watts minimum & a wack of subs to push it. Along with a concrete lined van with 1" plexi windows & 1/2" plate steel interior.
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 4:39am - #243934 

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what makes you say that he did not have plexi glass windows? and when i mean a small car i mean small. like the size of ours or smaller.

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00celica00gt Aug 10, 4:42am - #243935 

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He has new equipment now. And he owns his own shop.

http://www.pro-creations.biz/natemagA.htm

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00celica00gt Aug 10, 4:44am - #243936 

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and here are his stats and a few pics

http://www.termpro.com/asp/competitorstats.asp?Competitor_ID=13416&Season=0

do not say anything is impossible

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MptGlw69 Aug 10, 4:48am - #243937 
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I like Rockford Fosgate and JBL. thumbsup
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OKAY ... I get it. (1 sub in 1 cubic yard of air) - It creates the same sound pressure as (6 subs in 6 cubic yards of air). Something is wrong with this??

Is SPL (Sound Pressure) the same as DB (Decibels)?
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II_EZ_II Aug 10, 12:46pm - #243939 
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What do people think about Rockfords??
Especially the Punch series, i was about to get these. But now im thinking that W7??
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mach_y Aug 10, 2:10pm - #243940 
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Originally Posted by II_EZ_II
What do people think about Rockfords??
Especially the Punch series, i was about to get these. But now im thinking that W7??


the W7 is better product than Rockford anything.

This is always an ongoing debate, but if you are really into wanting the "best of the best", you start getting into some really esoteric things (I'm a car audio nut... so here you go)

Top of the line system:
HU: direct digital output (only a few do this, most you must mod to be able to)
DAC: Image Dynamics external DAC (no longer made)
Crossover: Sinfoni Phaser Pro (http://www.sinfoniusa.com/phaser.html)
Volume control: Sinfoni PremierOne (http://www.sinfoniusa.com/premier.html)
Wiring: Ixos home line (http://www.ixos.co.uk/)
Front Amplifier: Tru Technology A Class (http://www.trutechnology.com/a_class.htm)
Front Speakers: Morel Supremo Tweeters, Morel Hybrid 4", Morel Elate 9" midbass (http://www.morel.co.il/)
Subwoofer Amplifier: depends on how much power you want... but the Tru Hammer is awesome (http://www.trutechnology.com/hammer_series.htm)
Subwoofer: JL W7, Image Dynamics IDMAX, or JBL W12GTi


If you want more opinions, check out:

forum.elitecaraudio.com

For a few of the above product reviews, msg me... I am running the Ixos wiring and the Morel front stage above wink
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hkysk8r86 Aug 10, 4:23pm - #243941 

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Kicker Comp CVR's, with the Kicker Competition 2000 watt amp, this shit pounds in my friends GMC Denali, he's got 4 15"s and they just absolutely pound, he had to reinforce his rear windows with plexi-glass behind them, on the interior, so that he wouldn't blow his windows. when we first tested it he blew out his rear window... lol. it works best off his Clarion head unit, we tried many other heads, such as JVC, Alpine, and even a Pioneer avic n-1 and it sounded best off of the Clarion Chameleon headunit, the one with like 364685716723641 colors it can change to and it can even match the color of your dash... yeah, that one. thumbsup
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UncleBen Aug 10, 8:33pm - #243942 

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Originally Posted by mach_y
Originally Posted by II_EZ_II
What do people think about Rockfords??
Especially the Punch series, i was about to get these. But now im thinking that W7??


the W7 is better product than Rockford anything.



TEAM RF would piss all over a w7 in spl and you know it
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 9:03pm - #243943 

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yes basically its the same. Its like MPH is the same as speed.

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UncleBen Aug 10, 9:09pm - #243944 

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techinally spl is measured in Db so no its not the same
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 10, 9:13pm - #243945 
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SPL is obviously dumb, all you have to do to make your stereo louder is make your car smaller! thumbsdown

When it comes to car audio, Kraco is the best! eek
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UncleBen Aug 10, 9:14pm - #243946 

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ur kidding right
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00celica00gt Aug 10, 9:14pm - #243947 

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It's all a matter of opinion. This topic should be locked. I think the person who posted should just go and listen to different products and see what they like the best.

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UncleBen Aug 10, 9:17pm - #243948 

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i'd agree with that, eceli needs a seperate audio section aswell...
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Haulin_A_Doo Aug 10, 9:18pm - #243949 
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TimO Aug 11, 12:48pm - #243950 

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Originally Posted by 00celica00gt
It's all a matter of opinion. This topic should be locked.


I *asked* everyones opinion in the first post, so therefore it shouldnt be locked. wtf crazy
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RevMonster Aug 11, 4:22pm - #243951 

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I didn't bother reading all the replies, but did catch that you're looking at two 12" subs and don't want to go as extreme as two 12w7's.

The smart way to go for you would be one 12w7. You could go with two lesser 12" subs, but all that'd do is take up more space. I personally have two 10" Rockford Fosgate HE2 (discontinued, but it was one of their higher end lines) powered by a 800 watt amp. MORE than enough bass. 12" subs would have been TOTAL overkill. The only thing 12's doing that 10's doing is produce the ultra-low end sound frequencys. Unless your goal is to setoff car alarms across a parking lot, go with one good 12 or two high end 10's.

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00celica00gt Aug 11, 8:19pm - #243952 

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This is my dream system

1 12" ID max
1 USA1000 amp (Usamps)
Focal mids and highs
1 USA5600 (USamps)

This wont shatter windows but will sound clean and have a really nice thump.

This set up here would cost around $2300.

The reason i chose USamps is because of the THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) rating which are around .006% which is really good. most are around .1%
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UncleBen Aug 11, 8:21pm - #243953 

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nice system

i have a usa-400x in my system right now and believe me, the thd is just the beginning, these amps sound like nothing else. Better than my orion stuff and argurably cleaner an brighter than my arc 2100cxl...
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