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Just Removed Butterfly #242091 Aug 6, 8:41am Aug 6, 8:41am
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yea i just removed my butterfly i'm at work so i just took 10 min off and did it engine sounds a lot deeper now and a lil faster it's the best free mod ever YEA!

RECOMMENeD EVERY1 TO DO IT

just go to the intalls page and the directions are easy as hell took me 10 min to do

and yes i am a n00b at this shit so i'm glad :smile:

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: MaBaBaY] #242092 Aug 6, 8:47am Aug 6, 8:47am
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that's rite~! thumbsup that's ur first step thumbsup

there's still a lota things awaiting you! grin grin Intake next!

now a Intake and butterfly is a day and night difference


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Elec-FuYu] #242093 Aug 6, 8:52am Aug 6, 8:52am
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Be careful when doing this, because you lose vacuum pressure at idle, and if you have ABS, when you brake in a panic situation, it will cause your car to stall out because it won't be able to maintain idle speed and power assist the ABS with the lessened vacuum pressure


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242094 Aug 6, 8:54am Aug 6, 8:54am
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^^^ meh. if you worry about that sort of trivial thing, next you'll be wearing a seatbelt too.


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242095 Aug 6, 8:56am Aug 6, 8:56am
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I worry about it, because having your car stall out during a panic stop means you lose steering AND braking.

Doesn't sound like the kinda thing I'd want to have happen to me in the snow, or in the rain when I need to control the car in a skid spineyes


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242096 Aug 6, 8:59am Aug 6, 8:59am
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I remember that you yanked your butterfly a while back. Did you put it back in?


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242097 Aug 6, 9:01am Aug 6, 9:01am
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yep, the second I stalled the car out from doing a really hard stop from 90 into a 15 mph blind curve.

Almost crashed the car, put the butterfly back in once I got home.


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242098 Aug 6, 9:08am Aug 6, 9:08am
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i have a auto will i still stall ??

damn you guys got me scared now

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242099 Aug 6, 9:08am Aug 6, 9:08am
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this mod is dum thumbsdown...get an Intake. rofl

al kidding aside i have dynos that show the gains as minimal...we're talkin like .4-.7whp...at lift. i doubt a gt gets any at all. that butterfly is there for a reason.


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242100 Aug 6, 9:08am Aug 6, 9:08am
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eek ack.

note to self: be careful with DIY mods


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242101 Aug 6, 9:11am Aug 6, 9:11am
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it's only a big deal when you brake hard, and put the clutch in to change gears. the car drops to idle speed, and since the butterfly valve would then engage, and create more vacuum pressure, it can't maintain that level of idle, and it stalls

if you have an auto, don't worry about it because you are never going to change gears with a clutch spineyes


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242102 Aug 6, 9:41am Aug 6, 9:41am
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haha, so its a better DIY for auto...in terms of stalling out. wave


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Zero] #242103 Aug 6, 9:59am Aug 6, 9:59am
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well...dont you step on clutch when you at a panic stop?

if that so, how can ur car be stalling? or is it possible to stall with the clutch in at taht situation also?


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Elec-FuYu] #242104 Aug 6, 10:39am Aug 6, 10:39am
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any Performance gain???

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: ragingpaseo] #242105 Aug 6, 12:17pm Aug 6, 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
any Performance gain???


here...6-sp gts. you can bet a GT 5sp or gts auto will not get the same gains.

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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: DiabloGTS] #242106 Aug 6, 2:47pm Aug 6, 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Be careful when doing this, because you lose vacuum pressure at idle, and if you have ABS, when you brake in a panic situation, it will cause your car to stall out because it won't be able to maintain idle speed and power assist the ABS with the lessened vacuum pressure


Did You plug the vacuum line with a shunt? That would have eliminated the vacuum leak.


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: CID498] #242107 Aug 6, 2:57pm Aug 6, 2:57pm
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This mod is masturbation, leave it at a drop in filter (K&N or TRD) or get a aftermarket Intake. Not worth killing yourself just to say you have a mod. thumbsdown

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: ct] #242108 Aug 6, 4:07pm Aug 6, 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by ct
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
any Performance gain???


here...6-sp gts. you can bet a GT 5sp or gts auto will not get the same gains.


The GTS Auto & the GTS 6-sp would have EXACTLY the same gain because they are the same engine. Gearing does not determine horsepower, the motor does. You are measuring a dyno in a single gear, not the quarter mile.

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Haulin_A_Doo] #242109 Aug 6, 9:39pm Aug 6, 9:39pm
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Its a great n00b mod, for those really getting into car modifications. I don't feel like buying a Performance filter because i'll probably be getting a CAI next. For those who don't have exhuast, Intake, or headers and want a more deeper sound than stock, this is still the ticket. thumbsup


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Haulin_A_Doo] #242110 Aug 6, 9:43pm Aug 6, 9:43pm
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Quote:


The GTS Auto & the GTS 6-sp would have EXACTLY the same gain because they are the same engine. Gearing does not determine horsepower, the motor does. You are measuring a dyno in a single gear, not the quarter mile.


ACTUALLY... grin

The drivetrain loss is different. People have posted auto GTS dyno's before, and they are substantially less than 6-speeds. (my celi is auto, btw).


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242111 Aug 6, 9:53pm Aug 6, 9:53pm
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^^ how do you dyno an auto?

anyway, I agree with Sancho. I pulled mine out for the sound, and if you've never done mods on a car before but want to start, it's a good way to get your feet wet.

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Originally Posted by renfield90
^^ how do you dyno an auto?

anyway, I agree with Sancho. I pulled mine out for the sound, and if you've never done mods on a car before but want to start, it's a good way to get your feet wet.


Same way they dyno the 900 HP auto Supras grin


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242113 Aug 6, 10:53pm Aug 6, 10:53pm
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Quote:


The GTS Auto & the GTS 6-sp would have EXACTLY the same gain because they are the same engine. Gearing does not determine horsepower, the motor does. You are measuring a dyno in a single gear, not the quarter mile.


ACTUALLY... grin

The drivetrain loss is different. People have posted auto GTS dyno's before, and they are substantially less than 6-speeds. (my celi is auto, btw). [/quote]

Ya, but the drivetrain loss is a constant. The gain would not change.

Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: Haulin_A_Doo] #242114 Aug 6, 11:15pm Aug 6, 11:15pm
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...but isn't drivetrain loss expressed as a percentage of total HP, not a constant number?

Sorry, could be wrong on this one...


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: RevMonster] #242115 Aug 6, 11:22pm Aug 6, 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
...but isn't drivetrain loss expressed as a percentage of total HP, not a constant number? Sorry, could be wrong on this one...


I don't know. Okay 180HP flywheel less 20HP = 160HP ground
Is it: 1) Turbo to 240HP flywheel less 30HP = 210HP ground
Or: 2) Turbo to 240HP flywheel less 20HP = 220HP ground

Either way, I guess its symantecs considering we are talking about a 0.7HP gain.

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Yeah, I think it's a ratio of the total HP produced... so your net HP loss in the drive train increases with Performance mods.

But you are right... we're arguing about .1 HP difference (or less) either way. I just like being right. laughsilly


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I wonder how many dynos it would take to prove the 0.1HP?

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I'm pretty sure that's well within the margin of error.

I guess you could dyno a 6-speed with the mod 10 times and average out the gain... then an auto 10 times and average it out. Still, I don't think anyone here has that much free time on their hands. rofl


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: ct] #242119 Aug 7, 11:17am Aug 7, 11:17am
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This is a stupid mod.

If you feel any difference in power, then please buy a $50 chip off of me to boost your flywheel horsepower by 50 BHP!

The dyno for this mod says it gives a gain of 1hp. Whoopie! You can't even feel 1hp. The same effect can be felt when you are low on gas, or you take your bookbag out of the trunk of your car.

Also, let it be known that a gain of 1hp is not even really a gain most of the time because the margain of error on a dynometer can ofter be a few horsepower.


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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
I worry about it, because having your car stall out during a panic stop means you lose steering AND braking.

Doesn't sound like the kinda thing I'd want to have happen to me in the snow, or in the rain when I need to control the car in a skid spineyes


make sure your clear on this you loose abs and power steering not steering all togeather

if i can wrestle a 5k pound ramcharger with 33's on it to a controled stop with no power the celica should be a cake walk


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Re: Just Removed Butterfly [Re: drkramm] #242121 Aug 7, 11:43am Aug 7, 11:43am
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CID, plugging the tube isn't what goes wrong.

The engine runs out of air, because the valve closes at idle, making the air come in at a higher velocity.


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Originally Posted by Gen7fan
This mod is masturbation, leave it at a drop in filter (K&N or TRD) or get a aftermarket Intake. Not worth killing yourself just to say you have a mod. thumbsdown


i got the TRD Performance Intake filter, but when i was doing the install i decided to take out the butterfly too... shouldnt the guys who have taken it out with there CAI's have problems too?? with braking??

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Taking out the butterfly is more of a sound thing than a Performance thing...

I took my butterfly out (about 1-2 weeks before my CAI went in smile ), and I didn't have any trouble at all. But I've yet to be in a situation where my ABS needed to kick on (in the Celi, that is!).


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too much thought went into this thread... thumbsdown rofl


Originally posted by SKOOF:
yoru such a clown, i wish you lived in nyc, i would love to just give you the beating that youve probably never gotten in your life.
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Originally Posted by CelicaRacer05
Originally Posted by Gen7fan
This mod is masturbation, leave it at a drop in filter (K&N or TRD) or get a aftermarket Intake. Not worth killing yourself just to say you have a mod. thumbsdown


i got the trd Performance Intake filter, but when i was doing the install i decided to take out the butterfly too... shouldnt the guys who have taken it out with there CAI's have problems too?? with braking??


i'm in the same boat as you, with a CAI they ditch the whole airbox, but would you still have this problem?

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