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#232799 Jul 26, 11:41am
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have anyone heard of element designs subs? they're suppose to be underground or something

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i havn't heard of them. i'm going to take a GUESS and say quality isn't that great?

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its suppose to be better than jl but who knows...your guess is as good as mine

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lol well thats not saying a whole lot.

that said, audiobahn used to be underground not too long ago..and they have GREAT quality...better quality than most and they've been around a comparatively very short time.

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speaking of that. which speakers would people recommend? i know infinity is good. anything else?

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audiobahn, infiniti, pioneer, alpine...personally i wouldn't buy anything else with my money.

jl or jlb, rockford fosgate, kicker, sony xplod, ... i do NOT recommend.

kenwood is in the middle, in my opinion.

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jl amps and subs are good tho right?

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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
audiobahn, infiniti, pioneer, alpine...personally i wouldn't buy anything else with my money.

jl or jlb, rockford fosgate, kicker, sony xplod, ... i do NOT recommend.

kenwood is in the middle, in my opinion.
How can you no like JL?!?! They are the king of subs. Audiobahn sucks in terms of music quality compared to them

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i think he was talking about speakers. tongue

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^^ king of subs in terms of sale?

to be fair to jl and kicker--they give you good bang for the buck (you get good quality for what you pay for..which isn't a lot).

that said, almost every major speark/sub/amp/audio company has some offerings that are EXCELLENT (such as the rockford fosgate chrome thunders, for example--they are absolutely AWESOME)...but as a rule of thumb i don't like the brands i mentioned in general.

edit--'in general' i mean when all of their 'mean, median, and average' product offerings are considerred together

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Jl has great speakers too. Ever heard of the XR's or new ZR's? No Jl in terms of sales doesnt compare to the big brands. They are a small private company and cant compete. But im sorry its just stupid not to like JL subs. They are among the best in the business for their sound and quality.

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^^ to each his own thumbsup

personally, i wouldn't buy them.

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are you talking about elemental designs out of Iowa???

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i have no idea where they are from. or anything about them

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Originally Posted by spyder00367
Jl has great speakers too. Ever heard of the XR's or new ZR's? No Jl in terms of sales doesnt compare to the big brands. They are a small private company and cant compete. But im sorry its just stupid not to like JL subs. They are among the best in the business for their sound and quality.

I agree - having heard many brands of speakers and subs, JL Audio XR's and w7's are among the best both in quality of manufacture and sound reproducibility...

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well do a search on it, some audio forum says they are good for the price, I was doing a search on these a while back and only heard good things about it

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hey man i got elemental design Type A series 12"s. They are awesome. Really good sound quality too. I like them a lot and would recomend them to anyone. Great price to for being compared to the w7. Got any questions on them just pm me.

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oh and if you got any questions about eD subs just go to www.edesignaudio.com [edesignaudio.com] and you can get to their forum from there and learn all you want about their subs. yes they are the company from Iowa. Also you can talk to sales representatives on AIM which is a great help too. They have really good reviews and i give them a big thumbsup too.

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thumbsupgreat info thanks

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Originally Posted by Celica2k
oh and if you got any questions about eD subs just go to www.edesignaudio.com [edesignaudio.com] and you can get to their forum from there and learn all you want about their subs. yes they are the company from Iowa. Also you can talk to sales representatives on AIM which is a great help too. They have really good reviews and i give them a big thumbsup too.

Yea..Elemental Designs...I had a 15" ESP(older sub back in 01-02)...it pounded the shit of my cavaliers window...def a good company...I loved it...i def would go with a EDesign sub...sumthin different other than every other person with JL...edesigns have pretty good prices too

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yeah and plus you pay for quality and you dont have to pay a $300 for it to say JL. I have the flat cone subs which i think were last years version (real flat cone). They hit like a bitch! which reminds me i need to order my dynamat.

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here's a pic of their subs. This is the A series (top of the line) i believe. And i also think they might have a new design now but dont hold me to it. Look real flush and clean installed.
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I am running an 12O in my 02 Camry, and it pounds. One of the best customer support companies out there. No complaints at all from me. I would recommend them to anyone. thumbsup

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they'll do anything to answer your questions and they are always friendly and helpful.

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yea man, why hate on the jl's,they some good stuff, along with kicker also, solo barics are da shiznit

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I've have Infinity Kappa Speakers in my old car, they kicked ass. And had an Infinity Kappa Perfect 12" sub in my last car aswell, kicked ass aswell.


I'm going all alpine on my celica. Alpine has the new Type-x componet speakers and subs that are bad ass. alpine amps to push, with the alpine ivad300 dvd player to pimp it all off.

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Originally Posted by Celica2k
yeah and plus you pay for quality and you dont have to pay a $300 for it to say JL. I have the flat cone subs which i think were last years version (real flat cone). They hit like a bitch! which reminds me I need to order my dynamat.

Hey why stray from ED, Edead costs 3x less that dynammat and works just as good. Dynamat Extreme is the best sound deadener on the market but the cost to do 1 layer throughout the car is the same to do 2-3 layers of edead which will in turn have much better Performance than dynamat. I have 180sq ft of edead in my Pathy right now so don't worry you can trust me.

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^^^ I think he was actually gonna get fatmat

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yeah im not sure what brand im going to be getting for sure but i thought edead was a liquid so i didnt know about that.

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