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Chinaren
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Chinaren Jul 20, 5:42am - #227616 
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I got the Tubor money for my 2001 Celica GT

I just convinced my parents to buy a Tubor set for my 2001 GT Auto. So i am asking for help where i can get a good tubor set for less money for my celica, Thank you for you guys out there that is going to help me here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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C2PowerGTS Jul 20, 6:01am - #227617 
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sickcelica696 Jul 20, 6:04am - #227618 
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i dont know about no tubors, the only tubors i know are potatoes...which is also a type of Turbo,which is what i assume you meant to say
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silver Jul 20, 6:43am - #227619 
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You fail.

A) Your parents have to buy your Turbo.

B) It's auto. Have fun getting it replaced when it breaks (which it will).

C) You can't spell the word Turbo. Honestly...

I would tell your parents to spend their money on some English classes for you, rather than a go-fast setup that WILL cause your problems that you will not know how to fix down the road.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 20, 7:26am - #227620 

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jeeeezzzz louise...give the guy some credit. Man if he can talk his parents into getting a Turbo then he must be good. What'd he say?: "With a Turbo I can get to and from school faster so I can spend more time studying!!! lol" or "I'll give you 50% of the money I make from street racing! Deal?" hahaha... or "You want grandkids, right? I'll finally be able to get a girlfriend since she'll like my fast car and overlook the fact that I'm ugly and can't get any otherwise!!!" j/k on the last one I don't know if you're fugly! thumbsup Good Job. thumbsup

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Chinaren
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Chinaren Jul 20, 7:35am - #227621 
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Yeap, i am taking English Classes, since i am from China, But would you forget me for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BReakinDrifTs Jul 20, 7:36am - #227622 
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Originally Posted by silver
You fail.

A) Your parents have to buy your Turbo.

B) It's auto. Have fun getting it replaced when it breaks (which it will).

C) You can't spell the word Turbo. Honestly...

I would tell your parents to spend their money on some English classes for you, rather than a go-fast setup that WILL cause your problems that you will not know how to fix down the road.


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cycocelica Jul 20, 7:45am - #227623 

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i hope you are kidding. spend your money on looks considering your car is an AUTO GT... it wont be worht and will cause you problems im sure
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Erick Jul 20, 7:47am - #227624 

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now say he got a stick gt.. still the same delemma huh? he'll encounter problems in the future? confused

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 20, 7:50am - #227625 

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Hey Chinaren, convince your parents to get you a stick conversion AND the Turbo kit. Tell them you need it for the Turbo. YOU CAN DO IT! The man has skills...

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 20, 8:02am - #227626 

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Originally Posted by C2PowerGTS
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Ok, I'm trying to help you out Chinaren:
List of items to negotiate for:

1. Engine Build w/ pistons and sleeves and rods, valves, etc.
2. Stick conversion with C2gas bulletproof tranny.
All because of ...
3. C2Gas Stage 3 kit.

It's a one package deal sort of thing...you need everything.
Ignore the haters, you're rich and don't be ashamed of it and all that money will one day be yours.
cheers deal

Oh and don't worry if you blow your car up...they'll get you a new one.

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wannaBblueCelica Jul 20, 8:08am - #227627 

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Originally Posted by Erick
now say he got a stick gt.. still the same delemma huh? he'll encounter problems in the future? confused


i figured a gt would be better for a Turbo conversion, lower compression ratio. smile
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Chinaren Jul 20, 8:11am - #227628 
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thank you so much "QTRMLR_1", appreciated your help. are there any other Turbos out on the market?
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Chelica815 Jul 20, 8:11am - #227629 
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Good going.

Hope all works out man but I would use that money and spoil it on something else. Bodykit, Rims, acc.

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cycocelica Jul 20, 8:11am - #227630 

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turbos are just known to have some problems...manual or auto..auto i just think more
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Simple Jul 20, 10:14am - #227631 

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i was under the impression that autos were slightly better with Turbos over manuals since they are able to stay in boost longer?

and if you rebuild the internals, lower the compression down into the 8 range. that way you'll be able to get more charge into the cylinders.

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Clos Jul 20, 10:34am - #227632 
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stop picking on him guys, at least he is trying to learn english, i would say go with c2power stg1 kit sence you have a stock car and shit, i have heard of c2power and so far he is okay, but he is over seas. other Turbos are the xs Turbo charge, but they only have them for GTS, then there is SF but i heard they take for ever to ship it to u, thats all i know. you should just get ur custom made i guess search around ur area and see if any one can custom make you a Turbo, a friend of mine was doing that but havent heard from him, good luck and if you need anything else p/m me (private message)
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loveannie Jul 20, 10:56am - #227633 
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common guys. auto gt w/ Turbo charge can smoke a lot of car, tat including GTS 6-speed, and also i heard someone said Turbo a gt is better than Turbo a gts, tat wat i heard. i don't know,
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SmutasticGT Jul 20, 6:00pm - #227634 

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I'm chinese...and what, at least chinaren is tryin, so SILVER stop being a jealous fuck and stop raggin on this guy considering your car is bone stock...is that good enough english for you SILVER??? wtf wtf
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ImportRacer Jul 20, 7:35pm - #227635 
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Yea man why do you have to pick on people. We dont pick on you. Your the type that makes Americans look bad. angry
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celicatalbot Jul 20, 8:02pm - #227636 
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Cause hes a prejiduce bastard!

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Polykarb Jul 20, 9:46pm - #227637 

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silver Jul 20, 9:49pm - #227638 
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Before you get all mad, you will notice that I nit-picked his english skills BEFORE he said that he was from China. All that I knew was that his location tag says Washington, so get over it.

Auto GT-T doesn't make sense though.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 20, 10:21pm - #227639 

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stock doesn't make much sense in my book either...but you're not my friend...hahaha...so I'll let you stay that way... wave

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silver Jul 20, 10:26pm - #227640 
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
stock doesn't make much sense in my book either...but you're not my friend...hahaha...so I'll let you stay that way... wave


My car is a car. It takes me places that I need to go. It's fine how it is. smile I have other things to spend money on.
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sickcelica696 Jul 21, 2:10am - #227641 
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Originally Posted by wannaBblueCelica
Originally Posted by Erick
now say he got a stick gt.. still the same delemma huh? he'll encounter problems in the future? confused


i figured a gt would be better for a Turbo conversion, lower compression ratio. smile


The ratio is slightly different, not that big a difference for forced induction from the engine guys ive talked to
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SleeprGT Jul 21, 2:15am - #227642 
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i would rather have a gts swap with a power fc than a Turbo.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 2:17am - #227643 

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gts swap, with PFC, AND Turbo = GO.

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Sancho Jul 21, 2:32am - #227644 

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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
jeeeezzzz louise...give the guy some credit. Man if he can talk his parents into getting a Turbo then he must be good. What'd he say?: "With a Turbo I can get to and from school faster so I can spend more time studying!!! lol" or "I'll give you 50% of the money I make from street racing! Deal?" hahaha... or "You want grandkids, right? I'll finally be able to get a girlfriend since she'll like my fast car and overlook the fact that I'm ugly and can't get any otherwise!!!" j/k on the last one I don't know if you're fugly! thumbsup Good Job. thumbsup


thatsfunny I don't know if I should laugh at him or YOU!

Wei, convince your parents that you need a manual transmission conversion to extract optimum Performance from your Turbo. Oh yeah, and learn English, but keep the accent. American girls love foreign accents! thumbsup

Wei, at least you're better looking than William Hung. I don't need to look at you to know that. rofl

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Chinaren Jul 21, 8:10am - #227645 
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Hey: You guys, thank you so much for all your help and advises , i will surely consider them, and decide what i am going to do with all that money. I think for me, look of the car is not that important, speed is what i am looking for. But if i still have some money left after my engine swap or update, i will put them into the look of my car. Again i am very appreciated your ideas!
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xXMaGNuSXx Jul 21, 8:30am - #227646 
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booyaolian Jul 21, 2:14pm - #227647 
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why dont you sell your car and get you a faster car?
say like...a used 6speed GTS? or RSX-s?


Turbo Auto GT or GTS doesnt make sense.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 2:24pm - #227648 

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Originally Posted by booyaolian
why dont you sell your car and get you a faster car?
say like...a used 6speed GTS? or RSX-s?


Turbo Auto GT or GTS doesnt make sense.


comedy. if done right he won't need a faster car, but yeah I'm telling him to still push for a stick.

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celicatalbot Jul 21, 3:57pm - #227649 
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^^^ Do feel think an Turbo auto GT would put up a fight against maybe a stick z or srt4?? I would like to Turbo my car, but I have an auto as well?

My car might be slow, but at least it looks nice!
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Gomer1011 Jul 21, 4:16pm - #227650 
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ya i was considering getting a Turbo for my auto gt celica as well..would like more speed into my celica..
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SaddY Jul 21, 5:14pm - #227651 
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LOL smile I don;t get the fuckin point bout auto's .. so half of the US citizens doesn't know how to drive stick or what ? in Holland you can't get you're license driving an auto.. only if you have some illness or some special reason why you can't drive stick.. then you'll have to ask permission from the national govermant to go on a special automatic car exam wich gives you a special license wich states explicitly that you are only allowed to drive an auto.. if they catch you in a stick they impound the car and give you a fine for NOT having a license to drive that car.. what's the deal with auto's :S :S :S :S :S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S I can understand if you're like 50 and retired and are not into speed or Performance or anything just into lazyness and luxurary... then I can imagine getting an auto.. but why the hell will you get an auto if you want Performance in the first place :S maybe you guys should think 10 more secconds (after the 5 in wich you decided to get an auto) to think about why you should get an auto or why not.. or why a stick or why not.. then you wouldn't have had this problem.. also those people converting an auto to stick.. come on guys.. that's like buying a plane and afterwards think I'd rather had bought a boat.. so let's convert my plane to a boat :S come on :S same thing :S THINK before you buy ! sorry If I may sound rude wink
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 5:52pm - #227652 

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^^ rofl

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 5:54pm - #227653 

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Originally Posted by celicatalbot
^^^ Do feel think an Turbo auto GT would put up a fight against maybe a stick z or srt4?? I would like to Turbo my car, but I have an auto as well?


well sure, but I wouldn't stop at the Turbo and forget about all the little things you can do that add up to make your car faster...like 9 lb rims for example.

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RaptorGTS Jul 21, 6:02pm - #227654 
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So many Turbo GT. I have GTS and so far all the trubo kits have had problems most liekely cause of the compression ratio. So if someone doesn't figure it our soon I gonna have to go GT and trubo the mutha. But I dont think i could live without lift!!!!!!!!!!So screw GT i staying GTs. I'll just have to wait for a good kit.
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 21, 6:04pm - #227655 
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Well SaddY, here we have the freedom to choose what we want. Our government doesn't control all aspects of our life. Some people choose to buy an automatic, and since you have obviously never been in one you have no idea of the advantages.

You can drive fast without spilling your beer! grin
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 21, 6:05pm - #227656 
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Originally Posted by RaptorGTS
So many Turbo GT. I have GTS and so far all the trubo kits have had problems most liekely cause of the compression ratio. So if someone doesn't figure it our soon I gonna have to go GT and trubo the mutha. But I dont think i could live without lift!!!!!!!!!!So screw GT i staying GTs. I'll just have to wait for a good kit.


You just have to find low compression pistons. You are shooting for about 8 to 1.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 6:10pm - #227657 

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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
Well SaddY, here we have the freedom to choose what we want. Our government doesn't control all aspects of our life. Some people choose to buy an automatic, and since you have obviously never been in one you have no idea of the advantages.

You can drive fast without spilling your beer! grin


What do they call that drink? Canada Dry-ve?

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ImportRacer Jul 21, 6:20pm - #227658 
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^^^ rofl
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 21, 6:24pm - #227659 
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
Well SaddY, here we have the freedom to choose what we want. Our government doesn't control all aspects of our life. Some people choose to buy an automatic, and since you have obviously never been in one you have no idea of the advantages.

You can drive fast without spilling your beer! grin


What do they call that drink? Canada Dry-ve?


LOL
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EuRoBoYGT Jul 21, 8:58pm - #227660 

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if you have an auto you should get a supercharger cause it will help more down low but since they don't make a supercharger for the gt with out having to get a different Hood with they don't make. just get NO2 or the Stratford Turbo

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silver Jul 21, 9:12pm - #227661 
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Originally Posted by RaptorGTS
So many Turbo GT. I have GTS and so far all the trubo kits have had problems most liekely cause of the compression ratio. So if someone doesn't figure it our soon I gonna have to go GT and trubo the mutha. But I dont think i could live without lift!!!!!!!!!!So screw GT i staying GTs. I'll just have to wait for a good kit.


Lift/VTEC and whatnot are NOT compatible with high boost Turbo applications. Lift will mess up the powerband, imagine it hitting three times as hard, but dissapearing in half a second. You'll go from lift engagement to the next gear instantly. It's better to have a linear and predictable powerband than one which slams at the end.
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 21, 9:52pm - #227662 

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^^ all right a GT advocate SPEAKS UP! Come on people let's get the old debate rolling and settle it once and FOR ALL CRYING OUT LOUD!!! wave Yeah you know who you guys are.

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hkysk8r86 Jul 21, 11:42pm - #227663 

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so what the fuck, i don't understand any of you guys, would a Turbo work on a gt-auto? and if not what the hell would fuck up in the car and would there be any way to keep it auto w/ a Turbo and drive perfectly fine?

they make GTI's Turbo and Stock, as well as SRT-4's so why wouldn't we be able to do it w/ a celica?
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Virtuous_One Jul 22, 12:38am - #227664 

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Don't know if you or anyone here but me noticed, but you spelled Turbo WRONG! you spelled it TUBOR IT'S Turbo!...N e way congrats on ur Turbo purchase that is tite let me here some Turbo sound clips!... grin thumbsup
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Simple Jul 22, 2:02am - #227665 

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you're a bit late there virtuous_one, they already gave him trouble about his spelling...

and hkysk8r86, you can put a Turbo on an automatic car and it most likely won't kill anything. thumbsup

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