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hkysk8r86 Jul 16, 5:25pm - #224381 

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New Radar Detector!

I just bought a new radar detector, here's the features it has, let me know what you guys think.
MODEL XRS9300 RADAR/LASER DETECTOR
Maximize your awareness of the driving environment
Introducing a new generation of radar technology!
Visual and audio alerts for each band plus signal strength indicators
Intellimute- and Strobe Alert-. Safety Alert(R) warns of emergency vehicle and road hazards from system equipped with Safety Alert(R) transmitters. VG-2 Alert- lets you know when you're under VG-2 radar surveillance. VG-2 Undetectable makes you immune to VG-2 detection. Spectre Radar Detector detection. Omnidirectional 360 laser protection. UltraBright Data Display uses identification letters to indicate radar band detected. Dim switch, adjustable windshield mounting bracket, optional fasteners for dash mounting and 12-volt coiled power cord with cigarette lighter plug included.

WORLD'S FIRST 11-BAND RADAR DETECTOR
5 RADAR SIGNALS
X-band Radar
K-band Radar
Ka Superwide
VG-2 Alert- System
Spectre Radar Detector Detection


4 LASER SIGNALS
LT 20-20 Laser
Ultra Lyte Laser
ProLaser
ProLaser III


2 SAFETY SYSTEMS
Safety Alert(R) System
Strobe Alert- System
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cycocelica Jul 16, 5:27pm - #224382 

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just be aware that you can still get caught by cops...dont think you are invisible
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hkysk8r86 Jul 16, 5:28pm - #224383 

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Oh, no doubt, i know that smile I've had one before, I just wanted to upgrade to a safer one, i had a 5 band, now I got an 11 smile
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Mikael Jul 16, 5:30pm - #224384 

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how much, where can I buy it ?

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Gen7fan Jul 16, 5:31pm - #224385 
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Cobra always a nice choice, good balance of features to price. thumbsup
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khmer215 Jul 16, 5:32pm - #224386 

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^^ yeah how much... interested

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cja252 Jul 16, 5:32pm - #224387 
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the best on the market is the valentine one. has front and rear detectors and a plethora of other features.
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hkysk8r86 Jul 16, 5:37pm - #224388 

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it was 89.99 at Jcwhitney.com
I got their e-mail newsletter, they are having a sale on ALL their radar detectors made by cobra, so I thought I'd Jump on one this morning. They also are having a sale on ignitions smile :drools: at the MSD Ignition kit, anyways, the cheapest one they have is a cobra 5-band for 59.99 and then they go up by $30 from there for like 7 different models, so you can always find what you need.
I'm going to be doing a mod for my dash, I'm going to be taking out the original clock in the center console and i'm going to make a housing up there to put in my radar detector and Fiberglass it into there and then splice it into the cigarette lighter wiring. my friend is going to help me do it, hopefully it comes out nice smile
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shidarin Jul 16, 5:39pm - #224389 
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.. How is your radar detector going to detect if you stick it in the housing? lol smile

You can do that with the V1- where it has several different remote add ons, but a radar detector requires line of sight to work best.
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hkysk8r86 Jul 16, 6:12pm - #224390 

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I don't know how he said it was going to work, all i know is he did pretty much the same thing in his Tiburon, and it works perfectly fine
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trog2233 Jul 16, 6:13pm - #224391 

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i just bought one and used it for about 5 miles and got sick of it... thumbsdown if anyone wants to buy it i'll sell it for $50 thumbsup grin
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celicafourotwo Jul 16, 7:24pm - #224392 

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i had one, the 6 or 9 band kind..drove in front, behind, on the side of cop and nothing goes off..got it for 25bucks, also cobra...never use it again..oh yeah, one time there were like a stake out, where there are 5 or 6 cops at one corner waiting for speeder, i went past them and the radar didn't do shit..lots of people got pull over at that corner..But hey, Congrat..hope it work like it said it would for ya.. thumbsup

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Whenever my car is at a full stop or even in park the RPM never sits on 0. what does this mean?
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spaztikid Jul 16, 7:32pm - #224393 
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nate... dibs... what kind...specs ect... PM me thumbsup
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SofaKingFast Jul 16, 8:07pm - #224394 

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Originally Posted by hkysk8r86
I don't know how he said it was going to work, all i know is he did pretty much the same thing in his Tiburon, and it works perfectly fine


Tib's cant go fast, that's why his "works fine". It's not going to work, your going to make your car ugly.

And to the retard saying he circled a car, and the radar didnt go off... It's a RADAR DETECTOR, NOT A COP DETECTOR. COPS DONT DRIVE WITH THEIR RADAR ON 24/7.

And to the retard saying he went to a corner and drove by cops checking for speeders... COPS CAN TELL IF YOUR SPEEDING BY EYE, THEN POINT THE RADAR AT YOU. If he knows your not speeding, he's not going to waste his time. Plus, why alert other drivers with radar detectors that their are checking..

Come on guys, let's use our brains here.

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AznClubRSX Jul 17, 1:43am - #224395 

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I have the same one..i got it around 2 months ago on EBAY. but BEST BUY has it on SALE after rebate for $99. i got mine for $71
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hkysk8r86 Jul 17, 1:44am - #224396 

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hkysk8r86 Jul 17, 1:45am - #224397 

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Originally Posted by AznClubRSX
I have the same one..i got it around 2 months ago on EBAY. but BEST BUY has it on SALE after rebate for $99. i got mine for $71

How do you like it?
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round2gts Jul 17, 1:52am - #224398 

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i need one badly. 3 speeding tickets already

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hkysk8r86 Jul 17, 1:53am - #224399 

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Originally Posted by round2gts
i need one badly. 3 speeding tickets already

I'm right there with ya! thumbsdown
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AznClubRSX Jul 17, 3:14am - #224400 

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it works fine...i like it...it beeps seldomly false signals...and the woman voice talking makes it kinda kinky...heheh!
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Sancho Jul 17, 7:52am - #224401 

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I'm weary of these new 11 band radar detectors. I heard stories from a friend of a close friend that his detector would go off every time he passed a WalMart on the freeway. rofl

I'm wondering AznClubRSX, if the woman voice is getting you off, what the hell kinda women live in Maryland? I'm just playing. grin

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shidarin Jul 17, 10:04am - #224402 
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Sancho, that happens with almost any radar detector. The Valentine one however, has arrows to show you were the radar alert is coming from.- if it's directly to yoru sides, you can safely ignore it usually
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VSGTS14 Jul 17, 12:12pm - #224403 

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Originally Posted by cja252
the best on the market is the valentine one. has front and rear detectors and a plethora of other features.


actually they tested that against the passport x50 and the new x50 beat it...
and is 100 dollars cheaper

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shidarin Jul 17, 5:03pm - #224404 
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Maybe in the all in one package. But I can build the valentine one unit into the dash while having extensions in the front bumper and the back bumper for the best coverage.
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sickcelica696 Jul 17, 5:24pm - #224405 
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Originally Posted by shidarin
Sancho, that happens with almost any radar detector. The Valentine one however, has arrows to show you were the radar alert is coming from.- if it's directly to yoru sides, you can safely ignore it usually


Ignore it? Around here they wait till you are next to them then get ya, they have fancy radars here
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Sancho Jul 17, 7:37pm - #224406 

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On the Passport x50, what's the difference between red and blue. Why the price difference? Is it color preference? idunno

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shidarin Jul 17, 8:02pm - #224407 
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Ignore it? Around here they wait till you are next to them then get ya, they have fancy radars here [/quote]

Err, then take it up in court man; get some professors from the local university to lecture the courtroom on radar waves; you can't get an accurate reading from the side so properly taught cops won't radar from there- and if they do, then you can get off on the fact that the cop obviously wasn't properly trained.

Plus, the band that automatic doors are in is a band that no cop uses anymore- you even have the option of turning it off.
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fusi0n Jul 17, 8:08pm - #224408 
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congratulations on wasting your money!

if you were going to invest in a radar detector, you should've went with the valentine one or escort. but if you were REALLY smart, you would do the logical thing and NOT SPEED.
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Jtultra Jul 17, 8:25pm - #224409 

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shut up, speeding is the best

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oas Jul 17, 9:32pm - #224410 
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Originally Posted by Jtultra
shut up, speeding is the best

rofl yeah it is!
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hkysk8r86 Jul 17, 11:40pm - #224411 

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Originally Posted by fusi0n
congratulations on wasting your money!

if you were going to invest in a radar detector, you should've went with the valentine one or escort. but if you were REALLY smart, you would do the logical thing and NOT SPEED.


Dude, you're a fucking asshole... get off the boards plz.
mkay stfukthx.
I got a fucking radar detector to tell me when emergency vehicles are coming when i'm playing my system too fucking loud, i also got one for when i'm on long drives on the turnpike or I-95 when I can sometimes get away with drivig 80+ mph on the freeway, i'm not going to drive from ft.lauderdale to orlando and drive the fucking posted 55mph speedlimit, you must be fucking nuts, that'll take you 6 hrs to get to orlando, when it should only take you 2 1/2 maybe 3...
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oas Jul 17, 11:45pm - #224412 
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so do it work have you got to use it?
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hkysk8r86 Jul 17, 11:50pm - #224413 

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I just ordered it yesterday, i should get it by wednesday next week
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oas Jul 18, 2:46am - #224414 
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ohh ok
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GreyGhost2k2 Jul 18, 5:22am - #224415 

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I have this exact same model...it works great...you'll love the Intelli-Mute...I set mine at 2k RPM...so no annoying blips when I am traveling slow...the saftey allert actually works tooo (previous detector didn't work worth a shit excpet a cheap radio shack detector, which worked once)...I had this go off last Wednesday when a Vol Fireman in a Subruban went by...the Safety Alert is Pretty damn loud too...

...waste of money... I think not, it saved my ass and the truck I was racing (I give you that's not its intended use but nevertheless), alerted me of cops ahead pulsing radar on vehicles .5 miles from me in traffic (signal strength was 1=weak)...it's simply a tool used to "detect a frequency range or laser wave length" depends on the person using it and thier drving habbits...I like to drive fast (piss off if you dont like it)...I'll take an electronic advantage along with my common sense, experience, and skills...over no advantage at all.

and yes Valentines are great, but costly...in my opionion not worth the extra flow...but if I'm correct they also offer a "pay your ticket" warranty...which makes them some what costlier...

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fusi0n Jul 18, 5:54am - #224416 
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I got a fucking radar detector to tell me when emergency vehicles are coming when i'm playing my system too fucking loud,


^^i find that quite funny.
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fusi0n Jul 18, 5:56am - #224417 
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oh, and to the statement above me.."it saved you from the cops". you wouldn't have to worry about that crap if you weren't a fuckin idiot racing on the streets.
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RevMonster Jul 18, 7:45am - #224418 

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God, so many stupid posts on one thread. I shall entertain myself by responding to them.

1) Who wanted to build the detector into the dash?! The pickup eye on the unit has to be in the radar's line of sight to work. That's dumber than the people who put it on their center console or passenger seat. rolleyes

2) Who said their detector sucked because he drove by a cop (who was moving?!) and didn't have it go off? The cop has to have his radar gun out for the detector to work! If the cop is driving, he can't use his radar. wtf

3) Yes, the Cobra units aren't as good as the Valentine or Escort ones. However, they do work. I have a Cobra that I use solely for long road trips (ie Vegas) and it works fine. I could have got a better model that would give me a more accurate warning, but for my use it's fine.

4) Yes, it'd be smarter to simply not speed. But get real. EVERYONE speeds. The sad part is that the worst offenders aren't usually the ones who get caught. I've had more friends nailed by speed traps for doing 75 in a 65 than you can count. At the same time, I have friends who drive 95 all the time and never get busted. Just because you have a radar detector doesn't mean you drive like a maniac, it just means you drive like 99% of the people on the road and don't want to get singled out and ticketed.

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GreyGhost2k2 Jul 18, 7:50am - #224419 

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Originally Posted by fusi0n
oh, and to the statement above me.."it saved you from the cops". you wouldn't have to worry about that crap if you weren't a fuckin idiot racing on the streets.


alright jack off...did I not say that was not its "intend use but nevertheless"...SMD...why dont you go to the racing forum and preach there...I know that shit's dangerous...Thank you for pointing out the obvious laughsilly Now have a coke and a smile...and enjoy life. I do commend your solid stance that speed is bad...I agree...but we all have our faults...mine, a silly race and ocasional speeding with the flow of traffic...you should have that temper checked though...life much more difficult when you are easily angred...trust me, I know.

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GreyGhost2k2 Jul 18, 7:54am - #224420 

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
God, so many stupid posts on one thread. I shall entertain myself by responding to them.

1) Who wanted to build the detector into the dash?! The pickup eye on the unit has to be in the radar's line of sight to work. That's dumber than the people who put it on their center console or passenger seat. rolleyes

2) Who said their detector sucked because he drove by a cop (who was moving?!) and didn't have it go off? The cop has to have his radar gun out for the detector to work! If the cop is driving, he can't use his radar. wtf

3) Yes, the Cobra units aren't as good as the Valentine or Escort ones. However, they do work. I have a Cobra that I use solely for long road trips (ie Vegas) and it works fine. I could have got a better model that would give me a more accurate warning, but for my use it's fine.

4) Yes, it'd be smarter to simply not speed. But get real. EVERYONE speeds. The sad part is that the worst offenders aren't usually the ones who get caught. I've had more friends nailed by speed traps for doing 75 in a 65 than you can count. At the same time, I have friends who drive 95 all the time and never get busted. Just because you have a radar detector doesn't mean you drive like a maniac, it just means you drive like 99% of the people on the road and don't want to get singled out and ticketed.


AGREED...especially on #4...

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 18, 10:02am - #224421 

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Originally Posted by fusi0n
congratulations on wasting your money!

if you were going to invest in a radar detector, you should've went with the valentine one or escort. but if you were REALLY smart, you would do the logical thing and NOT SPEED.


fusiOn is a cop!!!! nothing at all listed in profile, Just harassing us speed demons like a good angel...hahaha...he/she must be a cop!!!!! He/she certainly does not own a celica b/c I don't know any celica owner who stays at or below the posted speed limit 100% of the time. If he doesn't, he/she is simply a hippocrite. If he/she does, then he/she belongs in some kind of museum.

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oas Jul 18, 4:01pm - #224422 
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is the radr detector leagel in us her its not thumbsdown
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celicafourotwo Jul 18, 5:41pm - #224423 

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some are some arent..

Originally Posted by pesho01
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Whenever my car is at a full stop or even in park the RPM never sits on 0. what does this mean?
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Sancho Jul 18, 5:53pm - #224424 

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Originally Posted by oas
is the radr detector leagel in us her its not thumbsdown


Radar detectors are legal in most states. Radar Jammers are absolutely ILLEGAL.

I heard from Escort that radar detectors are good not only because they help us avoid the law, but because they remind us to slow down. If there were more cops and more radar use, people with radar detectors are less likely to speed, which is better than those without who constantly speed. Thats why they are still legal here in the US.

We all speed. We can't always go the speed limit, even Fusion. Some police actually like them because they know that people are going to speed anyway, but slow down when they know theres police around, especially when they go off more frequently. Its a good reminder.

Waste of money? No. Because you never know when you're gonna take a B for something you didn't mean to do. thumbsup

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celicafourotwo Jul 18, 6:19pm - #224425 

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Originally Posted by SofaKingFast
Originally Posted by hkysk8r86
I don't know how he said it was going to work, all i know is he did pretty much the same thing in his Tiburon, and it works perfectly fine


Tib's cant go fast, that's why his "works fine". It's not going to work, your going to make your car ugly.

And to the retard saying he circled a car, and the radar didnt go off... It's a RADAR DETECTOR, NOT A COP DETECTOR. COPS DONT DRIVE WITH THEIR RADAR ON 24/7.

And to the retard saying he went to a corner and drove by cops checking for speeders... COPS CAN TELL IF YOUR SPEEDING BY EYE, THEN POINT THE RADAR AT YOU. If he knows your not speeding, he's not going to waste his time. Plus, why alert other drivers with radar detectors that their are checking..

Come on guys, let's use our brains here.


are you some kind of a dumbass?? you weren't there so how the fuck do you know if the cops don't have the radar pointing at you..like i've said..there were like 5-6 cops there..the cops HAVE the radar gun on and were pointing at people when i drove past them..radar suppose to do a 360 degree scan, i had mine above the dash 2inches and clear of blockage in the car..if the advertisement said it does a 360 scan, they y the fuck didn't the radar goes off..plus i was about 20fts across from the cops who had his radar pointing at people goin the opposite direction..as for "let's use our brains here" statement, y don't you use ur and go re-read my post..not all radar work that great..
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hector Jul 18, 6:51pm - #224426 

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i want a radar detector, come to think of it, its one of the first things that anyone w/ a sports car should buy thumbsup
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shidarin Jul 18, 7:03pm - #224427 
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Originally Posted by celicafourotwo
radar suppose to do a 360 degree scan, i had mine above the dash 2inches and clear of blockage in the car..if the advertisement said it does a 360 scan, they y the fuck didn't the radar goes off..plus i was about 20fts across from the cops who had his radar pointing at people goin the opposite direction..as for "let's use our brains here" statement, y don't you use ur and go re-read my post..not all radar work that great..


Lol, if you think your cheapo radar detector covers 360 degrees, you're the fool.
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RevMonster Jul 18, 7:05pm - #224428 

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Originally Posted by celicafourotwo
Originally Posted by SofaKingFast
Originally Posted by hkysk8r86
is he did pretty much the same thing in his Tiburon, and it works perfectly fine


Tib's cant go fast, that's why his "works fine". It's not going to work, your going to make your car ugly.

And to the retard saying he circled a car, and the radar didnt go off... It's a RADAR DETECTOR, NOT A COP DETECTOR. COPS DONT DRIVE WITH THEIR RADAR ON 24/7.

And to the retard saying he went to a corner and drove by cops checking for speeders... COPS CAN TELL IF YOUR SPEEDING BY EYE, THEN POINT THE RADAR AT YOU. If he knows your not speeding, he's not going to waste his time. Plus, why alert other drivers with radar detectors that their are checking..

Come on guys, let's use our brains here.


are you some kind of a dumbass?? you weren't there so how the fuck do you know if the cops don't have the radar pointing at you..like i've said..there were like 5-6 cops there..the cops HAVE the radar gun on and were pointing at people when i drove past them..radar suppose to do a 360 degree scan, i had mine above the dash 2inches and clear of blockage in the car..if the advertisement said it does a 360 scan, they y the fuck didn't the radar goes off..plus i was about 20fts across from the cops who had his radar pointing at people goin the opposite direction..as
I don't know how he said it was going to work, all i know for "let's use our brains here" statement, y don't you use ur and go re-read my post..not all radar work that great..


The cop has to have the gun aimed in your relative direction, and have the trigger pulled for a read. 360 degree coverage just means it checks radar coming at you from all sides of your vehicle. If the cop is pointing the radar at cars coming the opposite direction like you said, it must have been pointed away from you.
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fusi0n Jul 18, 7:17pm - #224429 
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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1

Originally Posted by fusi0n

congratulations on wasting your money!

if you were going to invest in a radar detector, you should've went with the valentine one or escort. but if you were REALLY smart, you would do the logical thing and NOT SPEED.


fusiOn is a cop!!!! nothing at all listed in profile, Just harassing us speed demons like a good angel...hahaha...he/she must be a cop!!!!! He/she certainly does not own a celica b/c I don't know any celica owner who stays at or below the posted speed limit 100% of the time. If he doesn't, he/she is simply a hippocrite. If he/she does, then he/she belongs in some kind of museum.


yeah i dont own a celica. rolleyes and i belong in a museum?? oh man..how lame can you get. then you proceed to form a conclusion from my profile. stupid e-tard. just save yourself the embarassment and stop posting stupid things.

as for this thread, im finished.
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oas Jul 18, 7:17pm - #224430 
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some times they jsut stand there to scare grin
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