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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 5:05pm - #223271 
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CONVERTING AN AUTO 1ZZE TO A STANDARD 2ZZE

I will be converting replacing the engine in my GT automatic with a GTS engine and tranny. From what I can figure, I will need the engine, tranny, engine computer, shifter, clutch pedal and cables. thumbsup

Any experts out there? What else will I need?
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RaptorGTS Jul 15, 5:07pm - #223272 
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SaddY Jul 15, 5:09pm - #223273 
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duwd where would you get a 2zze engine ?
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 5:11pm - #223274 
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Scrap yard. $3000 for the motor, tranny & everything I need to convert it. I just wan't to make shure I get everything I need.
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RaptorGTS Jul 15, 5:12pm - #223275 
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How about you buy the fed up GTS and swap your interior and stuff into that!!!!! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup spineyes
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SaddY Jul 15, 5:19pm - #223276 
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Originally Posted by RaptorGTS
How about you buy the fed up GTS and swap your interior and stuff into that!!!!! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup spineyes


Agreed.. still wondering who would sell it's 2zze :S
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AZZKIKR Jul 15, 5:19pm - #223277 

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check trial's website...they have a converion kit for just such a thing, if you really have a hard on for doing all this work rather than buying a GT- and swapping the interior over
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SaddY Jul 15, 5:22pm - #223278 
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Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
check trial's website...they have a converion kit for just such a thing, if you really have a hard on for doing all this work rather than buying a GT- and swapping the interior over

you propably menat gts but that's ok wink no flame just noting wink
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Krayze Jul 15, 5:40pm - #223279 

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you know some times oepel make me sick.

everytime someone says they want to swap a tranny or engine its always the same story jsut trade it in for a new one.

he got the gt for his reasons. maybe ther eis a reason he wants to keep this one its his choice. noone says why swap a motor in a honda when you can jstu trade. I say go for it it would cost way more than 3k for a trade adn if he can do the work he will knwo more about dissasembly adn working on his car than anyone on here woudl know

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drkramm Jul 15, 5:46pm - #223280 
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take to local dearler and buy a gts lol

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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 5:49pm - #223281 
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Listen, I hate to be rude but I am not here to discuss the merits of it. I am looking for info from someone who knows that they are talking about.

Timing chain $1500, AIC Valve $600 & I still have a beaten GT motor with 200,000 on it. for $3000 I can put in a motor with almost no mileage & have more horsepower and stick. Its worth the trouble. Swaping a motor and tranny is an 8 hour job. Converting to standard is the trick & the computer issues.

I figured out I need the cruise control computer as well. Standard & auto are different.
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that's too much work and money. just trade your car for a GTS.
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 5:51pm - #223283 
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What's the address to Trial's website?
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Chelica815 Jul 15, 5:56pm - #223284 
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Your Auto has 200K on it?

I say go for the conversion, it would be a pretty nice experience. The fact that it is still your car will make it feel 10x better than getting a different car.

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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 6:01pm - #223285 
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Yah, 200,000KM; Worthless on a trade-in.

Here is my list thus far:

1) Engine (complete with all attachments inside serpentine belt, starter and exhaust manifold)
2) Manual Transmission (6 Speed)
3) Computer - Cruise Cont, (left side dash), MT
4) Computer - Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (behind left headlamp), GTS (2ZZGE eng), MT (6 spd)
5) Shifter, boot & assembly along with linkage cables
6) Clutch pedal & cable
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QTRMLR_1 Jul 15, 6:02pm - #223286 

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trading in stuff with the dealership, you never get your value back...and it's always a loss. The dealerships are there to make money not to be a charity. The only way I use dealerships now is I just drive in to their bay and ask for hints/advice on how to fix stuff if I need it. They just call the tech over and he answers my questions. I hold them to Toyota's good reputation which includes customer service and after-sales support. If you have the ability and the time (not that long), keeping a car forever and swapping engines is the way to save thousands of dollars. And I don't have to worry about the Toyota brand going away anytime soon lol.

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 15, 6:10pm - #223287 

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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
Yah, 200,000KM; Worthless on a trade-in.

Here is my list thus far:

1) Engine (complete with all attachments inside serpentine belt, starter and exhaust manifold)
2) Manual Transmission (6 Speed)
3) Computer - Cruise Cont, (left side dash), MT
4) Computer - Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (behind left headlamp), GTS (2ZZGE eng), MT (6 spd)
5) Shifter, boot & assembly along with linkage cables
6) Clutch pedal & cable


On the ECU make sure it's not 2002 b/c of the low rev limit unless you want that, and make sure it's not 2003 b/c of drive-by-wire.

on 6) I noticed you wrote "cable" and I want to be sure you know it's a hydraulic clutch with a clutch line. I suggest downloading the manual and bringing it with you to mark off on a checklist all the things you need.

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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 6:17pm - #223289 
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I didn't know the celi's had a hydraulic clutch. Good, but that might be a little more work. I'll download the manual & see.

Ohh, shoot I didn't think the 2003's were drive by wire. It is a 2003 motor & tranny I am getting. What happens then? I will need the electronic gas pedal & a bunch of other junk?

Thank you for the info.
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Krayze Jul 15, 6:20pm - #223290 

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if you have a 03 engine you may be able to convert it back to a throttle body. not sure hwat physically is on teh engine it may jstu be a Intake manifold adn tb.

btu make sure if you use the drive by wire get a 03 ecu if you conver tit over get a 01 ecu

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ahhhhh...poor 2003 GTS RIP. That baby didn't last long.

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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 8:46pm - #223292 
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It probably got plowed over by a suburban. LOL

I am guessing that the proceedure for pulling a motor is unhook the drive axles, unbolt the motor, remove the power steering and air conditioning pump, unplug all the electrical & hoses, remove the Hood & pull the motor from the top?
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celicafourotwo Jul 15, 9:07pm - #223293 

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Good luck..seems like a tons of work..

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Thanks. I don't think its too bad. I have done a couple of 350's and a 305 before. They are a lot simpler as far as hookups go. But if you take the plastic off the inside of the engine compartment & look around the motor, there really isn't all that much there. Its not the worst motor I have seen for junk hooked to it.
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yeah that surprised me also with how much room you have in the engine bay of the celica.

and good luck on the conversion. thumbsup

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here you go...this is the conversoin kit!!!!!! 1zz to 2zz conversion
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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
I will be converting replacing the engine in my GT automatic with a GTS engine and tranny. From what I can figure, I will need the engine, tranny, engine computer, shifter, clutch pedal and cables. thumbsup

Any experts out there? What else will I need?


dude from experience, this is pain in the ass and money job.
I have gts auto and was trying to convert it into stick. And the price i got for that was 2000$ at toysports.com.
New engine is going to cost you at least 3000$.
the parts you need.
shifter
clutch
flywheel
2zzt321 engine
2zzt321 tranny(good luck finding these two)
brake master cylinder
clutch cylinder
shifter cable
axle
ecu
nuts and volt
and much more...

I mean don't get me wrong i would do it anyday.
I just don't have enough money for that. And not only that if you are spending that muich you mind as well get a Turbo or S/C. it will be faster.
Hearing from lot of people, after tranny swap is done, you will have lot of problems with your car.
but good luck
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Haulin_A_Doo Jul 15, 11:32pm - #223299 
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brake master cylinder & axle

Why would I need those?
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brake master cylinder because we have hydraulic clutches that run on brake fluid, and it's all connected. If you can get it cheap from the junkyard like you say, go for it. Haggle them and have them name a set price for all the parts you need for your tranny and engine swap. offer to give them your old parts and 200k engine hehe. I mean it's a junkyard celica...so don't let them charge you more than $1500 for everything...I mean getting all this stuff new from the dealership would cost you ten times as much.

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UPDATED LIST:

1) 2ZZE Engine (complete with all attachments inside serpentine belt, starter and exhaust manifold)
2) 2ZZE Engine mount
3) 2ZZE Manual Transmission
4) 2ZZE Computer - Cruise Cont, (left side dash), MT
5) 2ZZE Computer - Elec Cont Unit (ECU), (behind left headlamp), GTS (2ZZGE eng), MT (6 spd)
6) 2ZZE Shifter, boot & assembly along with control cables
7) 2ZZE Clutch pedal & hydraulic plunger & hydraulic lines.
8) 2ZZE Master Brake Cylinder
9) 2ZZE Drive by wire system including accelerator pedal.

All parts are coming off a 2003 Celica GTS. It appears the going rate for everything I need is about $3000.
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dont forget the cat pipe since the gts is bigger. its not that hard to swap, a shop did it for my cousin in a day, good luck with the swap thumbsup
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I got an idea for the exhaust. They sell electric controlled valves for exhaust. I want to set one up with a switch on the dash. When you need it, you hit the switch and your running straight pipe from the headers to the road. Lots of flow for real cheap! thumbsup
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yup, exhaust control valves whether electric or manual cable are awesome!!! I have the manual cable type, and I love going in to race mode at a second's notice, and then stealth mode driving around the city.

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I noticed "engine mount", but I assume you'll be getting more than one. While you're at it, since you get all you want for 3k, you may as well pick up the rear disc brakes and calipers since you'll need it anyway to stop the more powerful 2zz. Someone mentioned axle (Jae?) but whether or not you need it, I say take it since you may break an axle off the line if you decide to put a Turbo in your car later on.

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Yah, I think only the LH engine mount is different.

A few guys have the valves on their big blocks, they shure sound neat straight exhausting to the road with blue flames and all.
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Why not just BUY a GTS in the first place instead of sinking more money into a GT. confused

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Maybe he didn't have the money
Maybe he didn't know how to drive a stick
maybe he couldn;t have afforded the insurance
Maybe he got a good deal on this one.

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Shiftyz1x Jul 16, 2:32pm - #223309 

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go for it!!!! i like doing things myself.. i can see where you are comming from.. i dont wanna trade my baby off either and drive away in another car.
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celicatalbot Jul 16, 2:36pm - #223310 
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I got a price to change my 1zz auto to a stick. $3500 for everything. I haven't decided if its worth it. However, I do want a stick really bad. I was considering trading in, but look at my mods. So much shit to convert over!!

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DiabloGTS Jul 16, 2:40pm - #223311 

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Originally Posted by celicatalbot
Maybe he didn't have the money
Maybe he didn't know how to drive a stick
maybe he couldn;t have afforded the insurance
Maybe he got a good deal on this one.


If he can afford $3000 for an engine, the price of the GTS is made up.

Driving a stick takes 2 hours to learn.

The insurance is SLIGHTLY more.

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$3500 is too much. You can get a 2ZZ motor & tranny with everything you need for that money.
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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
$3500 is too much. You can get a 2ZZ motor & tranny with everything you need for that money.



Yeah but I don't know how to swap out a tranny, and change my pedals and shit. They are doing the install for me.
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did you blow the engine or something in the GT? because im not seeing this as a good mod unless you did that. if it still works a trade in and the money you are spending on this mod should get you a GTS
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^^^^ A trade in will be more expensive. You have to make another down payment, your payments will go up, and you have to start your loan all over again. You can get everything you need to do the install for a little more than the down payment!

Besides some people have work in their car. Who wants to convert all of their shit over. After you mod your car, it become part of you.

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QTRMLR_1 Jul 16, 6:35pm - #223316 

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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
Yah, I think only the LH engine mount is different.

A few guys have the valves on their big blocks, they shure sound neat straight exhausting to the road with blue flames and all.


I'm picking up a new front engine mount for my GTS. Unless you have done the energy suspension front mount mod, you'll tend to break the front mount on launches with the GTS and an upgraded clutch. It's always a good thing having extra mounts around. Just take whatever you can possibly need if it's all for one price.

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Originally Posted by Haulin_A_Doo
brake master cylinder & axle

Why would I need those?
I sure as hell you aren't the one doing this install, because if you have to come here and ask what you need to buy for the install, then you have no idea what you are doing.

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wtf way dont you sell and buy a gts wtf rolleyes
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hey come on guys, be nice. some people have no fear of tackling new tasks...he just happens to be one of them and has the confidence in himself to figure things out. He says he's done engine swaps before on other cars which have more junk connected to them, so I believe he can do it. And I'm sure there's more than one GTS in Canada which he can copy if he needs a visual reference other than the manual.

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Its funny how a bunch of yas can't justify an engine swap and say its too much trouble when some of you have spent thousands on cosmetic upgrades that don't do a thing for your car.

Just because you are afraid to get dirty and work on a motor, doesn't me I am.
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