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OzzyZR Jun 28, 5:11am - #210097 

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Tiptronic Shift...

Does anyone drive a Celica with a tiptronic gearbox??? 6 speed i think they come as... if someone does have one, what do you think of it??? Have you been able to compare it to a manual???




Completely different topic... what do ya reckon of this ride??? I'm not to keen on the white rims on white. This car happens to have the tiptronic shift...
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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jun 28, 5:21am - #210098 

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its only 4 speed and its "slow" as people will put it compare to a 6 speed manual, its fast enuff for me tongue
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DaBigTickett Jun 28, 5:44am - #210099 

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THat celi looks f**king amazing eek
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Sparty Jun 28, 5:48am - #210100 

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yeah, celi looks really sweet...
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Polykarb Jun 28, 5:52am - #210101 

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tiptronic = autotragic. The tiptronic is for peeps who cannot drive a stick, there is no comparison in driveability or Performance. Plus it's less expensive to get a stick to, less complex and easier to repair.

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Polykarb Jun 28, 5:53am - #210102 

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tiptronics come as 4speed standard automatic, i never saw a 6 speed tiptronic, that means the auto tranny has to b 6 speed. The largest tiptronic is a 5 speed.

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jun 28, 6:02am - #210103 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
tiptronic = autotragic. The tiptronic is for peeps who cannot drive a stick, there is no comparison in driveability or Performance. Plus it's less expensive to get a stick to, less complex and easier to repair.

wtf? where did you get this notion that tiptronic owners do not know how to drive stick i grew up in the philippines where 95% of cars are manual i learned how to drive stick when i was 10 its been a while since i drove 1 and iam kinda rusty at it. but i do know how to drive one. the only reason i bought a tiptronic celica is because i love that feature and when i bought it it would have taken me 6 months to get a manual special ordered and i didnt wanna wait that long. that said dont even try to think that way thats just stupid angry rolleyes
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CeLlYgT04 Jun 28, 6:05am - #210104 

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Nothing compares to a real manual wink

But yea, that celi is hott
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Polykarb Jun 28, 6:05am - #210105 

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idk, seems like a waste to me. Get one or the other, your call on what kind of tranny setup you would like to have.

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jun 28, 6:17am - #210106 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
idk, seems like a waste to me. Get one or the other, your call on what kind of tranny setup you would like to have.

i waste compared to what??? confused wtf
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OzzyZR Jun 28, 6:27am - #210107 

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ok, the tiptronic is a 4 speed, thanks for the info thumbsup

that celi is for sale actually... quite cheap too. but not quite what i;m personally after

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nice celica...i have heard those gear boxes a little slow thumbsdown
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DiabloGTS Jun 28, 2:21pm - #210109 

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never should have made an auto GTS, it gives the car a bad rap.

They could have made it a 5 or 6 speed auto, that would be respectable.

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SmutasticGT Jun 28, 3:50pm - #210110 

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Tiptronic is fun to drive thumbsupbut it still dosent compare to a manual though grin, and polykarb, i do know how to drive a stick very well might i add even though i have an auto celica
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CelicaGTizzle Jun 28, 3:55pm - #210111 

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There is a tiptronic shiftt in my moms G35 and it sucks! I hate it. It's a 5 speed tiptronic, but when you make it shift up in gear it hesitates then shifts. It is nothing like driving a manual car.

Manual = thumbsup

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RevMonster Jun 28, 4:48pm - #210112 

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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
never should have made an auto GTS, it gives the car a bad rap.

They could have made it a 5 or 6 speed auto, that would be respectable.


I half agree. I wish they would have made it a 5 or 6 speed auto, just to make it less of a dog. I am happy they made an automatic though, or I'd never have bought one.

At the point when I was car shopping, I wasn't really into the Performance scene. All I knew was that I drive 20k miles a year in LA traffic, wanted a car that looked nice, and was fun to drive. From now on I'm going with sticks... but at that point in time, the auto Celi was exactly what I was looking for.

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matadorgts Jun 28, 5:36pm - #210113 
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Triptronic is not that bad if used properly specially in luxury cars such as the BMW M3 that has a 6 speed gearbox SMG----> sequential manual gearing. This type of tranny will own any car since it shifts faster than any human driver. Close to the way I shift...lol happywink

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Dyllan Jun 28, 10:05pm - #210114 
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honestly my friend it sucks the only ass. you would think that it would be quicker off the line but its not. and it shifts with no prob but by the time you get it fast enough the other dude is already at the other end of the quarter mile
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JAY-C Jun 29, 4:36am - #210115 
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I don't know why so many ppl hate on automatics. I've you live in highly populated areas like i do (so. cal) you want and automatic because you are always running into traffic. And plus just because ppl buy a celica it doesn't mean that they all race them. I my self have an automatic gts and i'm going all show...why street race when we have heard all the consequences people get when they get caught. that's my two cents about why people should stop hating on automatics. People buy things because they like them just like when people buy mods that some people don't like they buy them because they like them not to satisfy the whole world.

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FloydianSlip6 Jun 29, 4:49am - #210116 

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I have the triptronic and it's not THAT fucking bad. Also, thanks, but I too know how to drive a stick, but as stated above in highly populated areas a manual is more of a hastle. It's fun the drive and shifts pretty quick since it's all electronic. It doesn't compare to a manual for Performance, but it's fast enough for me since I don't intend on going to a track just plan on showing it an giving it a little balls to back it up. thumbsup
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Elec-FuYu Jun 29, 4:59am - #210117 
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ha...tiptronic being slower than manual?
ya, on the celi it does, on some other cars it's the other way around.

there is a 6spd tiptronic. the 7spd is ready to be produced.

manual is just more fun to drive. Performance wise, i wouldnt say it has advantage over autos tipts.

and im sure the auto celi will be as fast if we have one more gear or 2. just that we dont have a clutch to play with.

and by the way, where did you get the thought of ppl driving auto cant drive manual? you are totally wrong.

as tru_as has pointed out, he can, and i (drives an auto gts too) can drive a manual too. and the reason i bought an auto is because i didnt buy the car myself. my parents did. they didnt know better and bought an auto...

P.S. Im 100% sure GTS Tiptronic shifts faster than the G35 tiptronic. but still not as sensitive as true manuals.

the tiptronic we have is a great technology from toyota, just it needs a gear or two more...

toyota have a 6 spd tiptronic for their car named "Wish" i wish i can swap that tranny~ grin grin grin

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FloydianSlip6 Jun 29, 5:01am - #210118 

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Newer ferarri's run on triptronic thumbsup Because a computer can shift faster than a person...at least thats what they say.
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Elec-FuYu Jun 29, 5:03am - #210119 
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^^^ yes, and the ferraris have no power lost over the tranny.

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RevMonster Jun 29, 6:02am - #210120 

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Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
Newer ferarri's run on triptronic thumbsup Because a computer can shift faster than a person...at least thats what they say.


Yup. There is some slow, junky car called the Enzo that isn't a stick. rofl

Anyway, our cars tiptronic is awesome. It kicks the ass of the ones found on most cars. The problem isn't the shifting, it's the lack of gears. Two more and we'd be rollin.

BTW... I'm sure 95% of the people on this board who drive auto also are good with sticks (I am). It's either that they didn't have the option of manual, or they live in an area like LA with heavy traffic.

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FloydianSlip6 Jun 29, 6:24am - #210121 

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yeah that enzo sure is a real piece of shit tongue Stupid triptronic too many people must not know how to drive a manual so now they have to make em triptronic. rofl
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ct Jun 29, 3:07pm - #210122 

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Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
yeah that enzo sure is a real piece of shit tongue Stupid triptronic too many people must not know how to drive a manual so now they have to make em triptronic. rofl


yeah..let's not forget those dumbass Formula 1 drivers who use paddle shifting...if they were real men they should drive stick...lol rofl

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depends on whatever the person wants...tiptronic...manual..its all good...tiptronic seems like a kool little feature..especially if you wanan have a little fun and rev up those RPMS smile , but as for the traffic reason..i totally disagree..im stuck in NYC traffic every day..and i dont even think twice about having a stick care...comes as seocond nature. i also think stick keeps the driver more aware. Your always focusing instead of just putting your foot to the pedal. But thats probabyl jsut me cause im absent minded sometimes smile
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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jun 29, 4:15pm - #210124 

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Originally Posted by SKOOF
...i also think stick keeps the driver more aware. Your always focusing instead of just putting your foot to the pedal. But thats probabyl jsut me cause im absent minded sometimes smile

same holds true for tiptronic owners...well kinda spineyes rofl
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CelicaTC Jun 29, 4:27pm - #210125 
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I want a tiptronic celica. Somebody wants to trade? grin

I wanted tiptronic in my celica, but I couldn't get one because here in Belgium there are only manual 6 speed celica's (GT+GTS).
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FloydianSlip6 Jun 29, 4:43pm - #210126 

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i personally dont like it but that celica is sicc
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pinoyricer Jun 30, 4:05am - #210128 

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by Polykarb
tiptronic = autotragic. The tiptronic is for peeps who cannot drive a stick, there is no comparison in driveability or Performance. Plus it's less expensive to get a stick to, less complex and easier to repair.

wtf? where did you get this notion that tiptronic owners do not know how to drive stick i grew up in the philippines where 95% of cars are manual i learned how to drive stick when i was 10 its been a while since i drove 1 and iam kinda rusty at it. but i do know how to drive one. the only reason i bought a tiptronic celica is because i love that feature and when i bought it it would have taken me 6 months to get a manual special ordered and i didnt wanna wait that long. that said dont even try to think that way thats just stupid angry rolleyes


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xXMaGNuSXx Jun 30, 8:10pm - #210129 
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autos are for lazy people. jk. tongue I don't driving both...I just prefer a manual.

I heard the tiptronic got banned in Le Mans or F1 becuz they shifted too fast and were too much of an advantage.
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ct Jun 30, 8:15pm - #210130 

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Originally Posted by xXMaGNuSXx
I heard the tiptronic got banned in Le Mans or F1 becuz they shifted too fast and were too much of an advantage.


F-1 still has it...they banned active suspension after ayrton senna died not the paddle shifting

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slidr Jul 2, 8:06pm - #210131 

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
Newer ferarri's run on triptronic thumbsup Because a computer can shift faster than a person...at least thats what they say.


Yup. There is some slow, junky car called the Enzo that isn't a stick. rofl

Anyway, our cars tiptronic is awesome. It kicks the ass of the ones found on most cars. The problem isn't the shifting, it's the lack of gears. Two more and we'd be rollin.

BTW... I'm sure 95% of the people on this board who drive auto also are good with sticks (I am). It's either that they didn't have the option of manual, or they live in an area like LA with heavy traffic.
You're comparing apples to oranges, Ferrari's to Toyota's.

Those two makes shouldn't even be used in the same sentence.

Any auto 4 banger is going to be slower than its manual counterpart. When you hit 8 cylinders though, then it gets interesting. Depends on what type of car, and how it's set up.

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Jae Jul 3, 2:50am - #210132 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
tiptronic = autotragic. The tiptronic is for peeps who cannot drive a stick, there is no comparison in driveability or Performance. Plus it's less expensive to get a stick to, less complex and easier to repair.


ok first of all "the tiptronic is for peeps who cannot drive a stick". Well i know how to drive dtick. the first car i learn how to drive was stick. i probably know how to drive better than you do.
But yeah get stick, its much much faster than auto. and more fun.
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Jae Jul 3, 2:54am - #210133 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
tiptronics come as 4speed standard automatic, i never saw a 6 speed tiptronic, that means the auto tranny has to b 6 speed. The largest tiptronic is a 5 speed.


And also, audi makes 6 speed tiptronic for their TT. And supposely its as fast as stick. many companies have been making 6 speed auto for while incase you didn't know.
Not only that, more gear doesn't mean the car is faster...
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Jae Jul 3, 2:58am - #210134 

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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by FloydianSlip6
Newer ferarri's run on triptronic thumbsup Because a computer can shift faster than a person...at least thats what they say.


Yup. There is some slow, junky car called the Enzo that isn't a stick. rofl

Anyway, our cars tiptronic is awesome. It kicks the ass of the ones found on most cars. The problem isn't the shifting, it's the lack of gears. Two more and we'd be rollin.

BTW... I'm sure 95% of the people on this board who drive auto also are good with sticks (I am). It's either that they didn't have the option of manual, or they live in an area like LA with heavy traffic.


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Polykarb Jul 3, 3:00am - #210135 

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And also, audi makes 6 speed tiptronic for their TT. And supposely its as fast as stick. many companies have been making 6 speed auto for while incase you didn't know.
Not only that, more gear doesn't mean the car is faster... [/quote]

oh ooook im not on-par with my autotragic tranny's. And i know that one more gear doesn't make the car faster, that's like saying that adding 400lbs of vynil on your car will make it go faster puke.

All i need is a stick and all is right within the world...

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Jae Jul 3, 3:02am - #210136 

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man you don't even know half the reason why the autos are slow!
here we go again
-less gears(6 gear to 4)
-torque converter(gts is from is300, where those cars have more torque than celica, the toyota really mess this up)
-longer shift
-loss to the wheel hp(eventhough i keep up with gts stick on roll)
-lower redline(8400 - 7800 rpm)

im pretty sure you didn't even thought about these factors
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Polykarb Jul 3, 3:04am - #210137 

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and are any of us gonna be owning an enzo or an f-1 car right now?...noooooo

So anyway you look at it, it's your choice of transmission when you buy your car. Plenty of my friends have auto's, and that's good for them, their car, their choice, their problem.

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Polykarb Jul 3, 3:09am - #210138 

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Originally Posted by Jae
man you don't even know half the reason why the autos are slow!
here we go again
-less gears(6 gear to 4)
-torque converter(gts is from is300, where those cars have more torque than celica, the toyota really mess this up)
-longer shift
-loss to the wheel hp(eventhough i keep up with gts stick on roll)
-lower redline(8400 - 7800 rpm)

im pretty sure you didn't even thought about these factors


yeah that's the whole reason why i bought a 6-speed, so i don't loose the advantages that the car has. So don't bring it up.

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tru_Asiatik_Pride Jul 3, 3:14am - #210139 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
and are any of us gonna be owning an enzo or an f-1 car right now?...noooooo

So anyway you look at it, it's your choice of transmission when you buy your car. Plenty of my friends have auto's, and that's good for them, their car, their choice, their problem.

but who are you going to race with your slow @$$ car spineyes spineyes happywink wave
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btw poly if you wasnt in florida jae and i will challnge you in a friendly race so you can see the power of sportshift happywink
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celimangts17 Jul 3, 4:11am - #210141 

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well my car has the tiptronic shift and i love it. i also know how to drive manual, and i know that manual is way faster than the tiptronic. it is just nice to have that shifting there when you need it in traffic to speed up, just shift down a gear or two. not the best for racing but i think its fine for people who dont want the hassle of drivin a stick in everyday stop and go traffic but want the ability to have a feel that you have control of the gears. if i had the chance to go back and get a 6spd manual i would def. do it. but the sportshift is still fast in its own right.

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slidr Jul 3, 8:41am - #210142 

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
And also, audi makes 6 speed tiptronic for their TT. And supposely its as fast as stick. many companies have been making 6 speed auto for while incase you didn't know.
Not only that, more gear doesn't mean the car is faster...


oh ooook im not on-par with my autotragic tranny's. And i know that one more gear doesn't make the car faster, that's like saying that adding 400lbs of vynil on your car will make it go faster puke.

All i need is a stick and all is right within the world... [/quote]One more gear (in most cases) will make the car go faster, at least accelerate faster.

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Krayze Jul 3, 5:46pm - #210143 

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i get a kick out of thse comparing the auto gts triptronic tranny to the f-1 , enzo, etc.

they have clutches they are manual trannies with computer shifting not auto's that let you select gear.

the mr-s has it and it is a clutch it jstu shifts too slow to have any benefit.

teh auto gts tiptronic setup is the same as shifting from L 2 d od

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shidarin
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shidarin Jul 3, 7:19pm - #210144 
1997 Speeding Ticket Red Toyota Celica GT
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1997 Toyota Celica GT

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SoCal
Yeah, automatics are slow. In my 6th gen auto, I lonngggg for even a tiptronic shifter. But until then, I have to force the gear shift through clever use of the gas pedal- and as a consequence, I shift faster than a tiptronic (where for some reason, there's like a 3 second delay rolleyes

I didn't get a stick, because I drive up and down socal on my way to work, etc etc. A good deal of my life is spent in traffic.. while on the phone. While holding a drink. etc etc etc. I just dont have the hands needed to shift as well.

I do plan to shift in another car's transmission soon- and probably a tiptronic shifter too. I dont plan to get one of the crummy ones.. but it's gonna be a lot of money and a lot of work. Here's hoping.
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eddie_725
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eddie_725 Jul 4, 1:58pm - #210145 
1985 Silver Toyota Celica
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1985 Toyota Celica

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Miami, Fl
That white celi looks tight as F**k that cars lookinh so serious

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mata fact it never died so I take that back" -Lil Wayne-
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