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when is a sports car a sports car? #205469 Jun 23, 7:52am Jun 23, 7:52am
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when is a sports car a sports car?
just wondering what everyone's perception of a sports car is.i know some people label the celica a sports car. i get that a lot "casper owns a sports car...". but in all honesty i don't consider my celica a sports car, rather...a "sporty car".i think true sports cars IMHO start from lotus and above...
well my definition of sports car is=any street legal car that translates the closest to race cars. ie ferrari, lamborghini, pagani, lotus, porche, etc...cars that exhibit lightweight and cornering capabilities that emulates the closest to race car driving.

so what's your definition of a sports car and do you consider the celi one?


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: ct] #205470 Jun 23, 7:54am Jun 23, 7:54am
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I don't think a sports car has to be fast. I think it has to drive and handle like a go-cart, have two doors, two seats, and be fun to drive. I consider Miata's, MR2's, TT's, Corvette's... things like those to be sports cars. I think anything like our car is a "sport coupe".


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205471 Jun 23, 8:04am Jun 23, 8:04am
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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: DiabloGTS] #205472 Jun 23, 8:10am Jun 23, 8:10am
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I don't consider a Celica a sports car. It is a sporty car, but I would not call it a sports car. Vipers, Vettes, TT, M series BMW and upper scale cars, thats what I call a sports car. An everyday grocery getter is not a sports car. smile

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205473 Jun 23, 8:47am Jun 23, 8:47am
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
I don't think a sports car has to be fast. I think it has to drive and handle like a go-cart, have two doors, two seats, and be fun to drive. I consider Miata's, MR2's, TT's, Corvette's... things like those to be sports cars. I think anything like our car is a "sport coupe".


that's a good summation...

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: Sultan] #205474 Jun 23, 8:50am Jun 23, 8:50am
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IMO true sports cars are more like the elise. not all that much daily driving practicality. Just meant for "sport" driving. lol


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: Lucky_317] #205475 Jun 23, 8:59am Jun 23, 8:59am
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I think a sports car is a car that's designed for Performance and tops out at over 150mph.


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: Polykarb] #205476 Jun 23, 11:54am Jun 23, 11:54am
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2 Seats
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At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: silver] #205477 Jun 23, 12:29pm Jun 23, 12:29pm
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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: silver] #205478 Jun 23, 1:27pm Jun 23, 1:27pm
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I think you guys are defining "super cars"... not "sports cars"


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: batorxgts90] #205479 Jun 23, 1:28pm Jun 23, 1:28pm
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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205480 Jun 23, 1:41pm Jun 23, 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
I think you guys are defining "super cars"... not "sports cars"


yah super cars are those in the 85 +++ range reaching into the exotic domain..

a stock car...
a sports car has better handling than an average family car speed is sufficent and looks are "sporty" and sleek..
2 doors ...(3 door even.. ie rx-8)... and lower than the average car.

the celica fits this and so is a sports car IMO... not as fast as other sports cars but does the job for daily drivin..

now hard core sports cars.. are more skrilla grin


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: Erick] #205481 Jun 23, 4:50pm Jun 23, 4:50pm
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This is Websters dictionary definition:
Main Entry: sports car
Function: noun
: a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

The Celica fits this description. I would consider it a "sporty car" except the handling is so good. The Celica is not as manuverable as a Miata, but it handles almost as good. The Fiat Spyder is considered a sports car, along with the old MG's, Triumphs, Jaguars etc. The Celica will out handle any of those vehicles. And will outrun most of them. The bottom line is how well the car handles at the track aginst the opposition. The last time I saw a SCCA race the Celicas were easily keeping up with "sports cars".

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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: silver] #205484 Jun 23, 5:47pm Jun 23, 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by silver
2 Seats
2 Doors
Not automatic
Not FWD
At least 1.0 G
At least 160 MPH tongue
At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

ide like you to name ONE car that fits all that cryteria


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: NorwayGT] #205485 Jun 23, 6:02pm Jun 23, 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by silver
2 Seats
2 Doors
Not automatic
Not FWD
At least 1.0 G
At least 160 MPH tongue
At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

ide like you to name ONE car that fits all that cryteria


Yeah... you will NOT find a car that pulls 1.0 on the skidpad that is that fast. Not will you find one that weighs only 2500lbs and has 300hp... that's lighter than our cars. rofl


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205486 Jun 23, 6:08pm Jun 23, 6:08pm
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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: LostAngel] #205487 Jun 23, 6:42pm Jun 23, 6:42pm
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How about some perspective? LoFlyer already covered some of these. Was an Austin Healy Sprite a sports car (2 doors, 2 seats, wouldn't see 100mph if you dropped it out of an airplane). A Triumph Spitfire? A Fiat 850? A Fiat 124? Used to be a sports car was an underpowered ragtop from England or Italy. Try to find a copy of "Wanda Hickey's Night of Golden Memories" (Jean Shepherd, printed in Road and Track a while back). It's a great sports car story. The original Porsche Speedster had a VW engine (that's right isn't it?). The first RX-7 had only 100hp. Was a 1970 Datsun 240Z a sports car (oh, yeah). The technology is so much better now, we can get much more hp out of a small engine.

I guess my point is the definition of a "sports car" changes over the years and reflects the relative characteristics, compared to what else is on the road.
I'd have to call an RX-8 a sports cars even with 2 back seats (but they are kind of vestigial, aren't they?).

BTW: What's with the fixation of 150mph?

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: LostAngel] #205488 Jun 23, 6:44pm Jun 23, 6:44pm
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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: andrews] #205489 Jun 24, 1:49am Jun 24, 1:49am
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Very "fast looking" is also a big part besides the Performance.

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: DaBigTickett] #205490 Jun 24, 1:52am Jun 24, 1:52am
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porsche, ferrari, lambo, lotus, saleen, shelby, vette...those are sport cars.

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: v3n0m] #205491 Jun 24, 2:02am Jun 24, 2:02am
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cars like celicas are sporty cars. a sports car for me is something that you wont drive daily cz it isnt comfortable. loud, precise, lightweight, good handling, 2 seater, 2 doors, sexy...

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205492 Jun 24, 6:34am Jun 24, 6:34am
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by silver
2 Seats
2 Doors
Not automatic
Not FWD
At least 1.0 G
At least 160 MPH tongue
At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

ide like you to name ONE car that fits all that cryteria


Yeah... you will NOT find a car that pulls 1.0 on the skidpad that is that fast. Not will you find one that weighs only 2500lbs and has 300hp... that's lighter than our cars. rofl


F1 mclaren race car: 1350lbs. (weight includes inmounted camera and driver), 650hp, 2.5 gs, 1 seat, no doors, at least 200 mph...

well you said to name ONE car... rofl


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: ct] #205493 Jun 24, 7:43am Jun 24, 7:43am
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I only consider it one when my insurance company tells me I have to pay so much because it's a sports car. angry


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: ct] #205495 Jun 24, 8:45am Jun 24, 8:45am
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Something that is predictable, handles well, stops quick and accelerates well.


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: ct] #205496 Jun 24, 9:29am Jun 24, 9:29am
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Originally Posted by ct
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by silver
2 Seats
2 Doors
Not automatic
Not FWD
At least 1.0 G
At least 160 MPH tongue
At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

ide like you to name ONE car that fits all that cryteria


Yeah... you will NOT find a car that pulls 1.0 on the skidpad that is that fast. Not will you find one that weighs only 2500lbs and has 300hp... that's lighter than our cars. rofl


F1 mclaren race car: 1350lbs. (weight includes inmounted camera and driver), 650hp, 2.5 gs, 1 seat, no doors, at least 200 mph...

well you said to name ONE car... rofl


oh no - he pulled out the Mclaren - eek That car is my all time fav

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: andrews] #205497 Jun 24, 9:34am Jun 24, 9:34am
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Originally Posted by andrews
2 doors


Booyah. Those Accord coupes are sports cars. rofl


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: GTSHYPR] #205499 Jun 24, 1:35pm Jun 24, 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by GTSHYPR
I only consider it one when my insurance company tells me I have to pay so much because it's a sports car. angry


hahah i love this one! good point!

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205500 Jun 24, 1:54pm Jun 24, 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by andrews
2 doors


Booyah. Those Accord coupes are sports cars. rofl


uh yah!


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: NorwayGT] #205501 Jun 24, 5:11pm Jun 24, 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by silver
2 Seats
2 Doors
Not automatic
Not FWD
At least 1.0 G
At least 160 MPH tongue
At least 300HP
Less than 2500 LBS

Remember there are always exceptions...

ide like you to name ONE car that fits all that cryteria


That sounds like a challenge to me! tongue

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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: silver] #205502 Jun 24, 5:12pm Jun 24, 5:12pm
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^^^ do all those pull 1g though? spineyes


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Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205503 Jun 24, 7:18pm Jun 24, 7:18pm
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that porsche is nice - eek

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: Sultan] #205504 Jun 24, 7:33pm Jun 24, 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by Sultan
that porsche is nice - eek

eek eek eek eek

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: RevMonster] #205505 Jun 24, 7:55pm Jun 24, 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by RevMonster
^^^ do all those pull 1g though? spineyes


The Exige sure as fuck will pull 1.10G. All of the ones i listed will too. The BMW won't, the 911 won't either.

Exige is good for turning.
Porsche is good for 200 mph runs.
BMW is good for cruising. grin

Re: when is a sports car a sports car? [Re: silver] #205506 Jun 24, 8:49pm Jun 24, 8:49pm
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my dad says the celica we have isnt a sports car because it isnt manual... and i truely beleive that all sports cars should be manual... and light weight, 2 seaters mostly... hard or soft top... and be either mid or rear mounted engine... and be rear wheel drive...

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