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DC 7whp header BULLSHIT #200276 Jun 17, 12:10pm Jun 17, 12:10pm
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DC 7whp header BULLSHIT
there is NO WAY that you are going to get 7.2 whp by just adding a DC header to your GT


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so, what does hotshot produce all by itself?


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i dont know...but probly around 4 whp

when i dyno'd my car with i/h/e i got 10whp over stock, and thats with the best exhaust there is


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hmmm, can you ask dc why the low numbers with all the other mods??? has your car been tuned and dynoed before the mods? could be something else. idunno


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yeah...with your mods, I figured you'd be higher than that...did you dyno your car stock???, you might want to look into the greddy emanage and tune your car on the dyno according to the mods you have...you're car ran a pretty decent quarter for only 135 whp...we need to get new cams...I'm gonna probably be the guinea pig for the catcams cams, and go with a greddy emanage system, but I've got to get a few bills out of the way first...

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well...they dyno'd the dc header at 7whp...yes, it does seem a bit excessive.maybe the dynos can lie? confused


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Re: DC 7whp header BULLSHIT [Re: ct] #200282 Jun 17, 1:59pm Jun 17, 1:59pm
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on n c .org..monkeywrench did a full review with dynos and everything on the DC header installed on a GT. now if a full review by a well-known shop with dynos isn't conclusive enough for you; what is?

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obviously they will lie cause they want to sell it...
but i'm not sure, you have a GT, don't expect huge gains.


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I will never trust dynos from the company that makes the product...Especially, when dynos can change run 2 run.

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Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
yeah...with your mods, I figured you'd be higher than that...did you dyno your car stock???, you might want to look into the greddy emanage and tune your car on the dyno according to the mods you have...you're car ran a pretty decent quarter for only 135 whp...we need to get new cams...I'm gonna probably be the guinea pig for the catcams cams, and go with a greddy emanage system, but I've got to get a few bills out of the way first...

i only got 132hp


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Originally Posted by ct
well...they dyno'd the dc header at 7whp...yes, it does seem a bit excessive.maybe the dynos can lie? confused
Of course you could make the dynos lie. You could create/modify dynos with a computer program if you wanted to. I'd say 3 WHP at the most. Maybe 4.


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i thought that it was cumalative from throughout the powerband, couple hp in the low, few in the mid, couple in the high...could that be it? or maybe im wrong

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so what you guys are saying is that monkeywrench is a bullshit shop making fake dynos? interesting... rolleyes

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hey norway did you install the headers by yourself? if so how long did it take ? and how did you get it out. ive done a lot a researching and they say its just a lkot of twisting!

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The DC header most likely has a gain of 7whp at exactly 6453rpm (or another arbitrary RPM). It does make 7whp at one point of the power band, but in general, it's much less. In other words, most of the power band has a 3whp gain, but there could be one point where it spikes up to 7whp.

Technically they can say that it does make 7whp, because it does (at least it did once), at one specific place of the RPM range. Kinda lame, but that's how it goes.

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Norway has hotshot headers...it seems like everyone thinks he has DC headers.

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Originally Posted by darksidecelica
i thought that it was cumalative from throughout the powerband, couple hp in the low, few in the mid, couple in the high...could that be it? or maybe im wrong

thats wrong


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Originally Posted by ikin
hey norway did you install the headers by yourself? if so how long did it take ? and how did you get it out. ive done a lot a researching and they say its just a lkot of twisting!

me and a friend installed my hotshot header (same instal process as DC), it took about 5hrs. its not technicly hard at all, its just hard to get to a few of the bolts that you gotta take off and on. i pulled it out through the top, but it was a VERY tight fit, and i scrached up the plastic engine cover a bit


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Originally Posted by silver
The DC header most likely has a gain of 7whp at exactly 6453rpm (or another arbitrary RPM). It does make 7whp at one point of the power band, but in general, it's much less. In other words, most of the power band has a 3whp gain, but there could be one point where it spikes up to 7whp.

Technically they can say that it does make 7whp, because it does (at least it did once), at one specific place of the RPM range. Kinda lame, but that's how it goes.

i know that their dyno's are made up. header doesnt make 7whp at any specific point. reminds me of when AEM(AEM owns DC) put on their site that their Intake for some civic added like 15.4 whp...tottal BULLSHIT


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^^was that civic an Si? because i'd expect large gains like that from a high compression ratio car.


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Originally Posted by RyCeCuBe
^^was that civic an Si? because i'd expect large gains like that from a high compression ratio car.

i dont think it was an SI...but even if it was there is no way it would get over 15whp from just an Intake. thad be like a 6speed GTS dynoing at 175 hp with just Intake wtf, and GTS has higher compression than an SI


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Perhaps...


An all motor Civic, built motor, stock (extremeley restrictive) airbox. An Intake will add a lot of power at an extreme RPM on cars like that. Average cars would get like, 2whp. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by RyCeCuBe
^^was that civic an Si? because i'd expect large gains like that from a high compression ratio car.

i dont think it was an SI...but even if it was there is no way it would get over 15whp from just an Intake. thad be like a 6speed GTS dynoing at 175 hp with just Intake wtf, and GTS has higher compression than an SI

no..about the same compression ratio, just engine size is different..and yea..u can't do nothing to the 1.6..sissy honda..and oh ever heard of that AEM V2 Intake that uses sound waves to charge the engine cylander..i READ one time that it gave the rsx type s a 20 hp gain!!! what the hell is that...i think i know what you talkin bout though..hehe bullshit


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How much hp you gain from a header has more to do with how poorly designed the factory header was than the compression ratio. Ours is already pretty good from the factory, so there is not a huge gain when you go aftermarket.

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it would give nice gains if you ported the head and bolted the new header on at the same time

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you guys are idiots.

first you complain how there is no aftermarket and how slow your cars are. then when the parts are available, you act naive about it because who knows why in the hell you do. how about this, you go out and buy the part and do your own independent dyno since the company's dyno and monkeywrench's dyno isn't good enough for you, then if it really is "7whp bullshit", you can continue to complain on how slow your GT is. btw, why are you even attempting to add Performance parts onto your car knowing that you're going to end up with not much? wtf tards.

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^^it is the extra power that counts... wtf tard

and people dyno their own cars because the readings from the companies are usually WRONG rolleyes

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my car got a peak of 10 whp over stock with the dc header. I fully plan to dyno it again once it's in my car.

what you are also forgetting is how the whole process works.

if they were to post the A/F ratios you'll notice it leans out most of the powerband, resulting in a power increase.

the bad thing is an Intake will do the same thing. so if you were to take a 100% stock car add each component seperately you would most likely see the listed gains.(or very similar) what most people cant seem to understnad is tht the gains DONOT add together. you cant say header + 10 Intake + 7 exhaust + 5 = 22whp more. collectively you'll be lucky to get half smile you're still gaining power, just not as drastic compared to stock.

I do not doubt monkey wrench. they would've made more money selling trial BUT they were not satisfied with it, so they opted to wait and see how DC did. if the dc did not perform, they would not have sold it. There are things I dont like about monkey wrench BUT lying about stuff isnt their style.


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317

if they were to post the A/F ratios you'll notice it leans out most of the powerband, resulting in a power increase.

the bad thing is an Intake will do the same thing. so if you were to take a 100% stock car add each component seperately you would most likely see the listed gains.(or very similar) what most people cant seem to understnad is tht the gains DONOT add together. you cant say header + 10 Intake + 7 exhaust + 5 = 22whp more. collectively you'll be lucky to get half smile you're still gaining power, just not as drastic compared to stock.



this is is very true. you can't just add hp together with each mod... thumbsup


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^^^i can do what i want tongue. my stickers add an addtl 50 hp because they're pretty spineyes


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instead of argueing about all this stuff guys...why doesnt someone go get a damn dyno...cause i can sit here and say yea my DC header gave me 150 hp and you guys have no clue spineyes spineyes

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Originally Posted by XplodCelica0708
^^it is the extra power that counts... wtf tard

and people dyno their own cars because the readings from the companies are usually WRONG rolleyes


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Originally Posted by trog2233
instead of argueing about all this stuff guys...why doesnt someone go get a damn dyno...cause i can sit here and say yea my DC header gave me 150 hp and you guys have no clue spineyes spineyes


I did dyno the gts header smile I just want to do ANOTHER dyno to make sure it still gets gains after the reproduction smile and to see how it acts with the power fc wink lol


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my friends RSX gained 10whp with an Intake


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I went from 154 stock to 166.5 with Intake and unolted exhaust.


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Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
my friends RSX gained 10whp with an Intake

did he dyno when he was stock?


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you also gotta match components for the best gains, that header may perform great with one Intake & exhaust combo, but not as well with others; the key is to find mods that compliment one another.

Maybe that header was coupled with a nice exhaust, Intake and some tuning to use the added flow.


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when we did mine it was stock vs stock everything but header. got 10.3

I'm wondering how its gonna act with my tuning. lol I could lose lots of power. never know. the power fc is very particular in regards to changes. lol


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^^^^ btw all I will have to do is retune it. lol but dont know how much higher I can get. it's all a guess until I finally get it in my hands.


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Originally Posted by XplodCelica0708
^^it is the extra power that counts... wtf tard

and people dyno their own cars because the readings from the companies are usually WRONG rolleyes


thats what i have been saying even since i first posted in here. people are so naive that when the opportunity for power or a great part comes out, they doubt it before they have any chance to prove it.

and learn how to read sir, i have never stated anything about DC's dynos, only monkeywrench's. and monkeywrench obviously does not make DC headers. rolleyes

Re: DC 7whp header BULLSHIT [Re: Lucky_317] #200318 Jun 19, 7:40am Jun 19, 7:40am
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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
my car got a peak of 10 whp over stock with the dc header. I fully plan to dyno it again once it's in my car.

what you are also forgetting is how the whole process works.

if they were to post the A/F ratios you'll notice it leans out most of the powerband, resulting in a power increase.

the bad thing is an Intake will do the same thing. so if you were to take a 100% stock car add each component seperately you would most likely see the listed gains.(or very similar) what most people cant seem to understnad is tht the gains DONOT add together. you cant say header + 10 Intake + 7 exhaust + 5 = 22whp more. collectively you'll be lucky to get half smile you're still gaining power, just not as drastic compared to stock.

I do not doubt monkey wrench. they would've made more money selling trial BUT they were not satisfied with it, so they opted to wait and see how DC did. if the dc did not perform, they would not have sold it. There are things I dont like about monkey wrench BUT lying about stuff isnt their style.


cry cry SO touching

and yet so true thumbsup


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Re: DC 7whp header BULLSHIT [Re: fusi0n] #200319 Jun 19, 1:04pm Jun 19, 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by fusi0n
and monkeywrench obviously does not make DC headers. rolleyes


hopefully you read my post smile wave


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