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May 12, 10:10am - #177290 
GT vs. GTS

What exactly is the difference in the GT and GTS. Besides of coarse the HP @ RPM's, the leather seats, and the 6-speed vs 5-speed manual.
Is the GTS supposed to be faster off the line than the GT? because I've raced a few GTS's and several times as far as i knew, they were stock, and so was I. I beat them everytime. Is it possibly because they were just horrible drivers? I have a manual and they all did too, i don't see why i should have spent thousands more just to have a red "GTS" emblem on the back of my celica. My GT rides just fine, apparently that 180 HP Vs. My 140HP isnt doing anything. I get them off the line every time. So are you paying for a red emblem, leather seats, and 40 HP (that don't do anything) ?? whats the big deal about GTS's?

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May 12, 10:15am - #177291 
Originally Posted by INVCelica
What exactly is the difference in the GT and GTS. Besides of coarse the HP @ RPM's, the leather seats, and the 6-speed vs 5-speed manual.
Is the GTS supposed to be faster off the line than the GT? because I've raced a few GTS's and several times as far as i knew, they were stock, and so was I. I beat them everytime. Is it possibly because they were just horrible drivers? I have a manual and they all did too, i don't see why i should have spent thousands more just to have a red "GTS" emblem on the back of my celica. My GT rides just fine, apparently that 180 HP Vs. My 140HP isnt doing anything. I get them off the line every time. So are you paying for a red emblem, leather seats, and 40 HP (that don't do anything) ?? whats the big deal about GTS's?


you were racing horrible drivers or guys with auto GTS'. a manual GT vs a manual GTS with equal drivers is no contest...


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May 12, 10:51am - #177292 
yea with equal drivers though, GTS is a hard car to drive though and the GT is not, the GTS also comes with rear disc breaks stock, and LIFT and yes the extra 40hp does do a lot


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May 12, 10:56am - #177293 
There is no question that the GTS is WAY faster. Times for stock GTS's break into the mid-high 14's. Stock times for the GT are usually 16.xx


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May 12, 11:00am - #177294 
well lucky who is an amazing driver ran a 14.7 stock or something i haven't seen any better times than that from stock really, GT is capable of mid to high 15s


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May 12, 11:06am - #177295 
GT...GTS..they're all pimp cars...ask anyone here thumbsup


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May 12, 11:07am - #177296 
when the GTS hit the lift, you're done...

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May 12, 11:57am - #177297 
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
when the GTS hit the lift, you're done...


Should even be before that... if both cars are manual, the GTS should pwn the launch. grin


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May 12, 12:27pm - #177298 
gts is offcourse faster you were probably racing some amateurs smile rofl


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May 12, 12:35pm - #177299 
were they even racing at all??? wtf

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May 12, 1:15pm - #177300 
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May 12, 1:38pm - #177301 
Man INVCelica up to wat speed do you race them, because im known for shifting really fast beween all the people i hang out with and i can only beat a GTS till around 30 or 40 mph, thats were they even out with me and after that i am just left behind! No way a stock GT would ever beat a stock GTS unless that person does not know how to shift at all!

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May 12, 6:08pm - #177302 
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
when the GTS hit the lift, you're done...


Should even be before that... if both cars are manual, the GTS should pwn the launch. grin
how so??? the gt actually has a little bit more torque than the gts. by the way as soon as i hit 3500 rpm in my gt.. all you will see are my taillights grin


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May 12, 6:26pm - #177303 
The 1ZZ was made for more torque and lower end power, while the 2ZZ is a high revving engine that makes power up on top. I havent raced a GTS b4 (i dont drag a lot) but the GT should pull on the GTS at the line.. after that its all LIFT.

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May 12, 6:50pm - #177304 
Originally Posted by fastceli2001
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
when the GTS hit the lift, you're done...


Should even be before that... if both cars are manual, the GTS should pwn the launch. grin
how so??? the gt actually has a little bit more torque than the gts. by the way as soon as i hit 3500 rpm in my gt.. all you will see are my taillights grin


The GTS should pwn the launch, because most people launch their GTS from above 6000 RPM... meaning that they are in lift on the launch


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May 12, 7:33pm - #177305 
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
were they even racing at all??? wtf
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May 12, 7:34pm - #177306 
let all go trade in our gts and get a gt..since it's faster and cheaper wtf rofl rofl


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May 12, 8:37pm - #177307 
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by fastceli2001
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Originally Posted by ragingpaseo
when the GTS hit the lift, you're done...


Should even be before that... if both cars are manual, the GTS should pwn the launch. grin
how so??? the gt actually has a little bit more torque than the gts. by the way as soon as i hit 3500 rpm in my gt.. all you will see are my taillights grin


The GTS should pwn the launch, because most people launch their GTS from above 6000 RPM... meaning that they are in lift on the launch



Damn bro, 6,000 rpm launch on a stock clutch would wear it out fast, i thought most people launched around 3,500 rpms or 4,000. A GTS would not own a launch (stock), if the GTS driver is good, then the cars would probably be dead even.

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May 12, 8:40pm - #177308 
^^^ If they are launching at 3500 RPM, that's why they aren't getting better times spineyes

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May 12, 8:46pm - #177309 
BTW, after you look at that... go look at the slips that everyone posts. The 60' is better with the GTS if the person has any idea what they are doing.

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May 12, 8:47pm - #177310 
All of you that are thinking that a GT would take a GTS on a launch...hmmmm.

You guys act like the GT is a torque monster or something. Let's not forget that the GTS has a higher compression ratio than the GT, meaning that it doesn't only create more horsepower when it hits lift, but rather throughout the whole powerband.

The gearing is another thing to consider.


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May 12, 10:08pm - #177311 
hasnt this been posted more then like 20 times!!!!

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May 12, 10:19pm - #177312 
Originally Posted by kevin
let all go trade in our gts and get a gt..since it's faster and cheaper wtf rofl rofl

no way! rofl i didn't pay extra cash for a GTS so i can trade it back, lose the money, & get less hp... grin

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May 12, 10:35pm - #177313 
Originally Posted by RevMonster
BTW, after you look at that... go look at the slips that everyone posts. The 60' is better with the GTS if the person has any idea what they are doing.

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Aight man, im just saying that a stock clutch would take a damn beating if you did that a lot, i belive you can launch at high rpms if you have a clutch that can take it the punishment.

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May 13, 1:02am - #177314 
Originally Posted by ct
Originally Posted by INVCelica
What exactly is the difference in the GT and GTS. Besides of coarse the HP @ RPM's, the leather seats, and the 6-speed vs 5-speed manual.
Is the GTS supposed to be faster off the line than the GT? because I've raced a few GTS's and several times as far as i knew, they were stock, and so was I. I beat them everytime. Is it possibly because they were just horrible drivers? I have a manual and they all did too, i don't see why i should have spent thousands more just to have a red "GTS" emblem on the back of my celica. My GT rides just fine, apparently that 180 HP Vs. My 140HP isnt doing anything. I get them off the line every time. So are you paying for a red emblem, leather seats, and 40 HP (that don't do anything) ?? whats the big deal about GTS's?


you were racing horrible drivers or guys with auto GTS'. a manual GT vs a manual GTS with equal drivers is no contest...
^^^ Yeah, they Short Shifted... tongue GTS can take one those 240HP Mustangs.. mine did! wink

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May 13, 3:22am - #177315 
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May 13, 7:12am - #177316 
I agree a 6000 rpm launch on a stock clutch is still suicide...i have an AUTO GTS...and its stomped every GT i have raced...HOWEVER i do NOW have broke lift bolts and its a lot closer...so they may have broken lift bolts. This would defenintly make a lot closer race seeing how in my case i have valve hop at 7600 rpm now, so i am shifting (manually) at about 7400 rpm.

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May 13, 9:57am - #177317 
a mustang? i beat a mustang in my GT, i also smoked a camaro... I honestly don't see the difference in my GT and some of those GTS maybe one of you should let me borrow your GTS.
My car's engine is all stock, all i have is my muffler...and that gives me what...max of 7HP? 147 HP? vs those base model stangs n camaros, i dont see where HP does anything in these cases. are those cars just a lot heavier?
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May 13, 10:13am - #177318 
Okay you didn't beat a Mustang GT and Camaro in your GT. If you did, they didn't know they were racing you. rofl


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May 13, 10:24am - #177319 
Originally Posted by INVCelica

My car's engine is all stock, all i have is my muffler...and that gives me what...max of 7HP? 147 HP?


a GT doesn't get that much hp gain from a muffler/exhaust alone...a GTS doesn't even get those numbers on that kind of mod.


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May 13, 10:29am - #177320 
Originally Posted by RevMonster
Okay you didn't beat a Mustang GT and Camaro in your GT. If you did, they didn't know they were racing you. rofl
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May 13, 10:44am - #177321 
it would be very difficult for a modded GTS to beat a stock mustang GT


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May 13, 10:46am - #177322 
Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
it would be very difficult for a modded GTS to beat a stock mustang GT


But remember, the GT Celica is apparently faster than the GTS rofl rofl rofl


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May 13, 10:49am - #177324 
Originally Posted by INVCelica

My car's engine is all stock, all i have is my muffler...and that gives me what...max of 7HP? 147 HP?

hey new guy, i'll give you 1hp for that muffler, ok, 2hp because i'm nice...

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May 13, 10:56am - #177325 
I have 11:1 internals in my GT 5 speed, and can own auto GTS's, but the 6 speed is a DAMN beast!! I've never beaten one...Lift makes a HUGE difference, aside form the 6 speed close ratio gearing...the only chance you might have to keep up with a GTS is to get some wild cams put in your GT...I'm eyeballing the new catcams cams (serious duration), with a standalone management system (greddy or Apexi PFC) I know it will make a pretty noticeable difference, but I still don't think I'll beat a GTS regularly, if at all, and I know damn good and well that I wouldn't be able to contend with a GTS stock to stock...that's just not intelligent rice

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May 13, 2:08pm - #177326 
^ very true, man new guy you probably beat V6 Mustang or V6 Camaro, because if you say the Mustang was a GT you are clearly talking out of ur behind! I can beat V6 Mustangs an Camaros but dont come close to a Stang GT or Z28. Do you have a muffler or a axle-back????

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