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Apr 14, 11:06am - #154464 
HOW FAST CAN YOU MAKE THEM

I have been reading a lot of the forum post and replies
Question because im in the proses in buy a gts 6 spd
Great looking cars BUT can you make them go fast?
Now I know you can make anything go fast if you drop 20 g's
but im talking about some bolt ons like nos and Turbo being the most.

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Apr 14, 11:08am - #154465 
turbo + PFC + good tires = low 13 high 12 second car if driven right... it is possible to go faster with higher boost levels and internals ect...


just looking at the three mods i listed is about 8 grand installed.

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Apr 14, 11:15am - #154466 
Originally Posted by greekcelica
I have been reading a lot of the forum post and replies
Question because im in the proses in buy a gts 6 spd
Great looking cars BUT can you make them go fast?
Now I know you can make anything go fast if you drop 20 g's
but im talking about some bolt ons like nos and Turbo being the most.


turbo by strafford fab on gts is around 250whp...on a 2600 lbs. car...that is fast!


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Apr 14, 11:37am - #154467 
yeah dude, if you get a gts with a Turbo, it gonna fly...there is a guy on her with a basically stock GTS and an apexi power fc that runs mid 13's...so yeah, it would be pretty fast

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Apr 14, 11:55am - #154468 
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Apr 14, 12:03pm - #154469 
Yea dude...With Turbo and shit, they'll move thumbsup

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Apr 14, 12:04pm - #154470 
I think its here>>>>>stafford fabrication, just look under the menus on the left of the screen...they even have a video

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Apr 14, 1:06pm - #154471 
It says its for the 2000+ celica...I wonder if it will work for the '03+ as well because of the Drive by Wire.

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Apr 14, 1:13pm - #154472 
Im sure it would since the drive by wire affects the throttle body...and you aren't changing out the throttle body with the Turbo kit

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Apr 14, 1:19pm - #154473 
Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
Im sure it would since the drive by wire affects the throttle body...and you aren't changing out the throttle body with the Turbo kit

Thats cool, I know they were having trouble with some Turbos and the drive by wire not being compatible.

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Apr 14, 2:11pm - #154474 
I was in the local car audio shop today (Beam Riders) and we were briefly talking about Celica's and one of the guys said Toyota has and was possibly selling a seventh gen. for $60 000 (not sure if that was USD or Cnd.) and it had around 300hp or more and it was NA!!

I didn't think to ask where he heard the info from, but I am pretty curious now and maybe I'll ask tomorrow if I recall because I have an appointment with them to take a look at my subs.


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Apr 14, 2:15pm - #154475 
Originally Posted by Vampyre
I was in the local car audio shop today (Beam Riders) and we were briefly talking about Celica's and one of the guys said Toyota has and was possibly selling a seventh gen. for $60 000 (not sure if that was USD or Cnd.) and it had around 300hp or more and it was NA!!

I didn't think to ask where he heard the info from, but I am pretty curious now and maybe I'll ask tomorrow if I recall because I have an appointment with them to take a look at my subs.


that sounds impossible...


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Apr 14, 3:00pm - #154476 

Get a GT, throw in a Turbo, (maybe PFC not sure how well they work on 1zz), and a 6 speed transission thumbsup

Turbo GT will take a Turbo GTS. GT is much more FI friendly.

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Apr 14, 3:02pm - #154477 
Originally Posted by Vampyre
I was in the local car audio shop today (Beam Riders) and we were briefly talking about Celica's and one of the guys said Toyota has and was possibly selling a seventh gen. for $60 000 (not sure if that was USD or Cnd.) and it had around 300hp or more and it was NA!!

I didn't think to ask where he heard the info from, but I am pretty curious now and maybe I'll ask tomorrow if I recall because I have an appointment with them to take a look at my subs.


With a modified tacoma/tundra engine in it or something maybe

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Apr 14, 3:58pm - #154478 
Originally Posted by 5280vvti

Get a GT, throw in a Turbo, (maybe PFC not sure how well they work on 1zz), and a 6 speed transission thumbsup

Turbo GT will take a Turbo GTS. GT is much more FI friendly.

I dont think thats right, though the GT can handle more boost, due to lower compression, all you would have to do is lower the GTS compression, and the GTS would still have lift PLUS the Turbo.

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Apr 14, 4:12pm - #154479 
Originally Posted by LostAngel
Originally Posted by 5280vvti

Get a GT, throw in a Turbo, (maybe PFC not sure how well they work on 1zz), and a 6 speed transission thumbsup

Turbo GT will take a Turbo GTS. GT is much more FI friendly.

I dont think thats right, though the GT can handle more boost, due to lower compression, all you would have to do is lower the GTS compression, and the GTS would still have lift PLUS the Turbo.


The GT should still hold a better torque curve though. So if you lower the compression on the GT as well, wouldn't it still be lower? OR could the two have the same compression? If the GT would go lower then there woiuld be even more room for more added boost, and more power.

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Apr 14, 4:17pm - #154480 
Originally Posted by 5280vvti

Originally Posted by LostAngel

Originally Posted by 5280vvti


Get a GT, throw in a Turbo, (maybe PFC not sure how well they work on 1zz), and a 6 speed transission thumbsup

Turbo GT will take a Turbo GTS. GT is much more FI friendly.

I dont think thats right, though the GT can handle more boost, due to lower compression, all you would have to do is lower the GTS compression, and the GTS would still have lift PLUS the Turbo.


The GT should still hold a better torque curve though. So if you lower the compression on the GT as well, wouldn't it still be lower? OR could the two have the same compression? If the GT would go lower then there woiuld be even more room for more added boost, and more power.

You are right, but if we go back to a stock GT...and a stock GTS, slap on a Turbo on each, even though the GT can handle more boost, it is still missing lift. Now from there, if you treated modifying each car equally, ie: you each mod you do to the GT, you do to the GTS. The GTS will still come out on top due to it having lift. Though, you are correct about the GT having a better torque curve.

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Apr 14, 4:30pm - #154481 
Oh top end would still definately be the GTS' strong point, and the down low would still be the GT's. But I just wonder if what the GT gains down low would be enough to make up for it in the 1/4...Hmmm. have there been any race results of a GT and GTS Turbo against one another? I would be interested to see. Thanks LostAngel smile

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Apr 14, 5:06pm - #154482 
hmmm...that is a good question...though I do think the GTS would still have the upper hand for one reason, the GT would only be in the low rpm's for maybe 2-3 seconds..after that, your shifting at the higher rpms. Thats where the GTS' sweet spot is.

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Apr 14, 6:23pm - #154483 
hp sells cars
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Apr 14, 6:52pm - #154484 
Originally Posted by Vampyre
I was in the local car audio shop today (Beam Riders) and we were briefly talking about Celica's and one of the guys said Toyota has and was possibly selling a seventh gen. for $60 000 (not sure if that was USD or Cnd.) and it had around 300hp or more and it was NA!!

I didn't think to ask where he heard the info from, but I am pretty curious now and maybe I'll ask tomorrow if I recall because I have an appointment with them to take a look at my subs.


Quite possible with the 3zz engine. I don't see why not. Especially if that figure is from the flywheel and not the wheels.

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Apr 14, 8:38pm - #154485 
Originally Posted by jav8or

hp sells cars
torque wins races thumbsup


Unfortunately in the tale of the GT and GTS, hp wins the race frown

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Apr 14, 9:20pm - #154486 
Originally Posted by spaztikid
turbo + PFC + good tires = low 13 high 12 second car if driven right... it is possible to go faster with higher boost levels and internals ect...


just looking at the three mods i listed is about 8 grand installed.


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one of the guy with Intake, unbolted exhaust and power fc ran 13.7 in 1/4 mile. thats only like 1200 dollar investment.

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Apr 14, 9:47pm - #154487 
As a novice with cars.. It seems from what you guys are saying ^^^ is that the GT is better at low end torque and the GTS if both have the Turbo correct??

Because in the future I want to trade/sell my auto GT for a stick GTS. I want more low end torque so a GT will be better it seems?? confused


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Apr 14, 9:57pm - #154488 
dealing with the stafford fabrications kit the GTS dynoes at 241whp and 170wtq at 8psi, the GT at 8psi also dynoed at 233whp not sure of torque though, but im pretty sure it was higher than 170, so i dont know, but 8whp isn't a huge difference at same psi, but the gt at 12psi dynoed at 255whp and 225wtq something along those lines

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Apr 14, 10:01pm - #154489 
Originally Posted by LostAngel
It says its for the 2000+ celica...I wonder if it will work for the '03+ as well because of the Drive by Wire.


what is the drive by wire thing? what does the 00-02 celicas use instead? which one is better?

about the Turbo gt vs. the Turbo gts... gts owned gt


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Apr 14, 11:16pm - #154490 
Originally Posted by ToyotaCelica_Fan
Originally Posted by LostAngel
It says its for the 2000+ celica...I wonder if it will work for the '03+ as well because of the Drive by Wire.


what is the drive by wire thing? what does the 00-02 celicas use instead? which one is better?

about the Turbo gt vs. the Turbo gts... gts owned gt

Drive by wire means the accelerator isn't mechanically linked to the engine. When you 'step on the gas' you're really telling a sensor what you want and it relays the info to the engine-control computer. Happens so fast you don't perceive a delay. In fact, the time it takes a throttle cable to move and open a butterfly valve probably is longer than the time it takes the 'by wire' system to respond. It's more precise, which automakers need to meet tightening emissions standards. It's quieter and smoother-acting. It eliminates a hole through the firewall where noise and dirt and too-cold or too-hot air can enter the passenger compartment.

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Apr 14, 11:18pm - #154491 
Originally Posted by Erick
As a novice with cars.. It seems from what you guys are saying ^^^ is that the GT is better at low end torque and the GTS if both have the Turbo correct??

Because in the future I want to trade/sell my auto GT for a stick GTS. I want more low end torque so a GT will be better it seems?? confused

It depends, if you are going to race, the GTS is better because when your racing, your mostly at the higher rpms's, where the GTS loves being. Its all personal preference. A lot of people like the torque curve of the GT, but a lot like the sudden rush of hitting lift.

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Apr 14, 11:24pm - #154492 
hmmm sounds good thanks^^ thumbsup


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Apr 14, 11:28pm - #154493 
Originally Posted by LostAngel
Originally Posted by Erick
As a novice with cars.. It seems from what you guys are saying ^^^ is that the GT is better at low end torque and the GTS if both have the Turbo correct??

Because in the future I want to trade/sell my auto GT for a stick GTS. I want more low end torque so a GT will be better it seems?? confused

It depends, if you are going to race, the GTS is better because when your racing, your mostly at the higher rpms's, where the GTS loves being. Its all personal preference. A lot of people like the torque curve of the GT, but a lot like the sudden rush of hitting lift.


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Apr 15, 1:09am - #154494 
.. for those who repsonded to my reply about the 300hp NA 7th gen.

Yeah I don't know how that number would be possible either, I would think a 3sgte swap or there was just talk about taking the 2zz-ge and doing a major port & polish and other things like that. I'd say it's possible some way or another with the 2zz-ge.. obviously very expensive, but that's wy it's $60k!


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Apr 15, 1:23am - #154495 
Originally Posted by 5280vvti
Originally Posted by jav8or
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Unfortunately in the tale of the GT and GTS, hp wins the race frown

true true true true


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Apr 15, 4:27pm - #154496 
Ok I drive a 5 speed mustang and anyone that has been in a 5.0 knows that when you shift it can through you back on your seat I want that with the celica, I want to be able not only to smoke the people that think im an idiot for going with an import in looks but speed.

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Apr 15, 9:48pm - #154497 
Originally Posted by LostAngel

Drive by wire means the accelerator isn't mechanically linked to the engine. When you 'step on the gas' you're really telling a sensor what you want and it relays the info to the engine-control computer. Happens so fast you don't perceive a delay. In fact, the time it takes a throttle cable to move and open a butterfly valve probably is longer than the time it takes the 'by wire' system to respond. It's more precise, which automakers need to meet tightening emissions standards. It's quieter and smoother-acting. It eliminates a hole through the firewall where noise and dirt and too-cold or too-hot air can enter the passenger compartment.


so what is the problem with having the drive by wire when wanting to boost the celica? i would think having the drive by wire would be better confused i love this site... its so helpful!! thumbsup


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Apr 15, 9:50pm - #154498 
Originally Posted by ToyotaCelica_Fan

so what is the problem with having the drive by wire when wanting to boost the celica? i would think having the drive by wire would be better confused i love this site... its so helpful!! thumbsup

The reason is because of the extra wiring...and there's only like 3 that go into the ecu if i remember correctly...it's not too much difficult to make a kit for it from what i've read.
It might also be due to not having a throttle cable.

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Apr 15, 10:04pm - #154499 
I have an auto 2004 GT. I am installing a Turbo w/nos, but if that is not the answer to speed, I have learned the best way to go is build a 3/7 cast iron motor. it is the strongest motor toyota built. I am looking at reprograming my auto trans w/limmited slip Dif, and tiptronics. If not happy, will just go with the 6 spd trans. Will report back on results. I expect to do all this within the next 90 days. stay tuned!!

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Apr 15, 10:07pm - #154500 
lol I love this place!


staffords gts put down 180 wtq wink I always forget what the gt put down cause it doesnt pertain to me. lol I can find out though.

staffords kit I'm pretty sure is still the only kit that will work with the 03's and the DBW. It's way better/reliable then the XS kit and is less expensive as well.

I know the stafford guys pretty well now and after playing with their setup and being able to help tune my teamates on the dyno I have a lot of respect for that kit. They are really cool guys to work with and I always reccomend their kit cause I know it can produce some great numbers. smile my teamate will be hitting the track tomorrow night so we'll see how he does. he ran 13.8 full interior untuned and on 6 lbs of boost smile I expect he'll be around 13.6 even at LACR which is about 3,000 ft elevation wink 13.3's at a sea level track.

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Apr 15, 10:08pm - #154501 
Originally Posted by Dino61
I have an auto 2004 GT. I am installing a Turbo w/nos, but if that is not the answer to speed, I have learned the best way to go is build a 3/7 cast iron motor. it is the strongest motor toyota built. I am looking at reprograming my auto trans w/limmited slip Dif, and tiptronics. If not happy, will just go with the 6 spd trans. Will report back on results. I expect to do all this within the next 90 days. stay tuned!!


sweet let me know when it's done! I'll head to the track with ya sometime to see it in action!


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Apr 23, 11:37pm - #154502 
how much does the staffords kit cost? confused

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Apr 24, 10:29am - #154503 
not really recommend but an easy way to lower your CR is to double up or find a thicker head gasket.

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Apr 24, 10:20pm - #154504 
Originally Posted by tdenning
how much does the staffords kit cost? confused


www.staffordfabrication.com


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