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hk007 Apr 11, 6:52pm - #151502 

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TRD QuickShifter Modification

I have a TRD quickshifter, ready to be installed.. but i am wondering if i should get 1 - 1 1/2 inches cut from the middle and get it weld? is this gonna mess up the shifter??? I feel like making it little more shorter. what do ya think?
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i don't knowe the size compared to a obx but that would be crazy short

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making it shorter isn't going to change anything...don't go messing up your shifter.

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if you weld it it will make it weak... it could break.
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
making it shorter isn't going to change anything...don't go messing up your shifter.


the height on the top doesnt make throws shorter, its because of the fulcrum point and leverage, im too lazy to explain more

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drkramm Apr 11, 7:25pm - #151507 
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Originally Posted by eric_h
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
making it shorter isn't going to change anything...don't go messing up your shifter.


the height on the top doesnt make throws shorter, its because of the fulcrum point and leverage, im too lazy to explain more



well it does make your hand have to move a little less (very less) make belvie your shifter is like 4 feet long and go first to second you'll be moving it like 2 feet

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Speed4TheNeed Apr 11, 7:29pm - #151508 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by eric_h
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
making it shorter isn't going to change anything...don't go messing up your shifter.


the height on the top doesnt make throws shorter, its because of the fulcrum point and leverage, im too lazy to explain more



well it does make your hand have to move a little less (very less) make belvie your shifter is like 4 feet long and go first to second you'll be moving it like 2 feet


it would make it shorter (look better) but it won't significantly shorten your throws (although it will help somewhat)

personally, why not just buy a twm or a b&m shortshifter (already shorter than TRD) instead of cutting & welding?

just a thought--do what you want.
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cRodz Apr 11, 8:58pm - #151509 
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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by eric_h
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
making it shorter isn't going to change anything...don't go messing up your shifter.


the height on the top doesnt make throws shorter, its because of the fulcrum point and leverage, im too lazy to explain more



well it does make your hand have to move a little less (very less) make belvie your shifter is like 4 feet long and go first to second you'll be moving it like 2 feet


it would make it shorter (look better) but it won't significantly shorten your throws (although it will help somewhat)

personally, why not just buy a twm or a b&m shortshifter (already shorter than TRD) instead of cutting & welding?

just a thought--do what you want.
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do not, do not, shorten it yourself, you will ruin the whole point of that specific short shifter. They are made to that size, just like it was said, the point at where the shifter is on the base, and where the linkage is connected at, all that is made a certain way. Its just like people who are cheap and cut there stock springs to get a drop. Its dump, get a twm or b&m if you want it shorter, you wont have to worry about the weld not being strong if you do it that way, it will be strong, but it will ruin the angle and the whole compostion of the way it was made!!

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Sparty Apr 11, 9:17pm - #151511 

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why cut it in the middle and weld it? you can cut it from the top and then have um...damn, i dont know english word for that... they sell kits like this.. basically you can make that spiral thing on a solid metal... english isnt my first and not even second langauge... but i hope you know what i mean...
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Originally Posted by Sparty
why cut it in the middle and weld it? you can cut it from the top and then have um...damn, i dont know english word for that... they sell kits like this.. basically you can make that spiral thing on a solid metal... english isnt my first and not even second langauge... but i hope you know what i mean...


your thinking of the threads thumbsup

a tap and die could do it but i don't know what the TRD looks like but my obx gets a lil bigger right after the threads so to thread it you would ahve to first reomve that metal

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DiabloGTS Apr 11, 10:52pm - #151513 

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cutting the top will do absolutely NOTHING to the length of the shifts.

It's a rice mod, don't do it.

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Sultan Apr 12, 5:14am - #151514 

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as Speed mentioned, just buy a shorter shifter instead of ruining the TRD...
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drkramm Apr 12, 12:26pm - #151515 
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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
cutting the top will do absolutely NOTHING to the length of the shifts.

It's a rice mod, don't do it.


i take it you didnt read all the comments

it will shorten the amount your arm has to travel but ver minamaly

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blue line is how far you'll have to move your arm


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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 12:50pm - #151517 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
cutting the top will do absolutely NOTHING to the length of the shifts.

It's a rice mod, don't do it.


i take it you didnt read all the comments

it will shorten the amount your arm has to travel but ver minamaly


I guess you've never taken a physics class.

It will not speed up your shifts at all. Unless you change the fulcrum point of the lever, you've done nothing in terms of time.

Even if you make your arm travel less distance, it still takes the same amount of time. All you've done is decreased the amount of leverage on the lever, making it HARDER to shift.

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drkramm Apr 12, 12:56pm - #151518 
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so it takes you the same time to move something 1 foot as it does 6 inches ?

like i said its less then a minamal amout of change but its a change


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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 1:07pm - #151519 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
so it takes you the same time to move something 1 foot as it does 6 inches ?

like i said its less then a minamal amout of change but its a change



If you don't change the fulcrum point of the lever, and the amount of force applied stays the same, yes.

No, it's not a change at any means. All it means, is you have to apply MORE force to the shifter, since you have decreased leverage and left the fulcrum the same, and the transmission is constant.

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drkramm Apr 12, 1:35pm - #151520 
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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by drkramm
so it takes you the same time to move something 1 foot as it does 6 inches ?

like i said its less then a minamal amout of change but its a change



If you don't change the fulcrum point of the lever, and the amount of force applied stays the same, yes.

No, it's not a change at any means. All it means, is you have to apply MORE force to the shifter, since you have decreased leverage and left the fulcrum the same, and the transmission is constant.


but since you decreased the leverage it also means you decresed the size and there for distance (look at the damn picture the distance is shorter your hand has to travel)

even after my short throw was in it was smooth and requried nearly no more force

and were jsut gonna keep going like this so how about we drop it ?

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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 1:44pm - #151521 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by drkramm
so it takes you the same time to move something 1 foot as it does 6 inches ?

like i said its less then a minamal amout of change but its a change



If you don't change the fulcrum point of the lever, and the amount of force applied stays the same, yes.

No, it's not a change at any means. All it means, is you have to apply MORE force to the shifter, since you have decreased leverage and left the fulcrum the same, and the transmission is constant.


but since you decreased the leverage it also means you decresed the size and there for distance (look at the damn picture the distance is shorter your hand has to travel)

even after my short throw was in it was smooth and requried nearly no more force

and were jsut gonna keep going like this so how about we drop it ?


You have no understanding of basic physics prinicples and the idea of a lever.

The distance is shorter, yes. The amount of force to move from point A to point B is increased proportionally to the amount of decrease in leverage..

It's a lot easier to remove a bolt with a 12" wrench than a 1" wrench, same principle applies here.

If you decrease the leverage, you increase in the effort. Why would you want to make it harder to shift?
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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 1:47pm - #151522 

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Physics 101:

Levers

A lever is a simple machine that magnifies force. Levers are comprised of a rigid bar (lever arm) a pivot point (fulcrum), a load force, and an effort force. The effort force creates a torque around the fulcrum. The magnitude of this torque is dependant on the magnitude of the force and its distance from the fulcrum. This torque must be balanced by the torque created by the load force. Changing the distance from the fulcrum to the load force changes the amount of force magnification.

Maybe you should understand a topic before you try to tell other people about it.

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Ok guys...For those those who know basic Physics...Diablo is right...end of discussion grin
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like i also said up there from my stock to the short throw i had little to no extra force needed... scroll up... see it ?... good

so yea next argument ? or do you feel like dropping it now ? just walk away

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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 1:50pm - #151525 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
like i also said up there from my stock to the short throw i had little to no extra force needed... scroll up... see it ?... good

so yea next argument ? or do you feel like dropping it now ? just walk away


You are wrong. Go take a physics class, and come back when you know what you are talking about.

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i do have a physics class
and your little picture prove me partially rite also move that hand up next to the pivot point it barely has to move correct ? yes ... now it is harder but i have had no extra difficulty in shifting my after my ss

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Originally Posted by drkramm
i do have a physics class
and your little picture prove me partially rite also move that hand up next to the pivot point it barely has to move correct ? yes ... now it is harder but i have had no extra difficulty in shifting my after my ss


HAHAH dude...u said one thing...now ur changing ur answers rofl spineyes
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i want somebody to tell me that the top blue line is the same distance as the bottom one
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Originally Posted by drkramm
i want somebody to tell me that the top blue line is the same distance as the bottom one
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Yes it will be a slight bit shorter...BUT...there is a lot more force needed to shift it at that point
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Originally Posted by drkramm
i do have a physics class
and your little picture prove me partially rite also move that hand up next to the pivot point it barely has to move correct ? yes ... now it is harder but i have had no extra difficulty in shifting my after my ss


You might not think you have any difficulty, but the increase is there, negating any time/performance increases.

If you cut the stock rod, all you are doing is making it look shorter and harder to shift. You are not gaining any Performance. Sure, it looks cool.

If you get a SS, and the fulcrum point is changed (say, like with the B&M) you will get easier shifts with less time.

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Originally Posted by trog2233
Originally Posted by drkramm
i do have a physics class
and your little picture prove me partially rite also move that hand up next to the pivot point it barely has to move correct ? yes ... now it is harder but i have had no extra difficulty in shifting my after my ss


HAHAH dude...u said one thing...now ur changing ur answers rofl spineyes



what did i change ? the hole time i have been saying that it will shorten the amount your hand has to travel and agreeing that it wil lmake it more difficult but its already a smooth tranny so its still not hard (like my ss like i have said 3 times now)

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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 1:59pm - #151532 

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Originally Posted by drkramm

i want somebody to tell me that the top blue line is the same distance as the bottom one


It's not. However, the BOTTOM angle is the same. Therefore, since the fulcrum has not moved, and the transmission is constant, the effort increases to balance the system.

You're in a physics class? I highly doubt that, levers are one of the first things you learn about, they are a very important concept. One you have not come to understand.

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like i said i had no mroe difficulty in shifting mine and the guy at got my old car from had cut the shifter and i had no proplem with that

but wait are you agreeing with me now ?? omg

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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 2:00pm - #151534 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by trog2233
Originally Posted by drkramm
i do have a physics class
and your little picture prove me partially rite also move that hand up next to the pivot point it barely has to move correct ? yes ... now it is harder but i have had no extra difficulty in shifting my after my ss


HAHAH dude...u said one thing...now ur changing ur answers rofl spineyes



what did i change ? the hole time i have been saying that it will shorten the amount your hand has to travel and agreeing that it wil lmake it more difficult but its already a smooth tranny so its still not hard (like my ss like i have said 3 times now)


You're arm moves less distance, yes.

If you apply the same amount of force to change gears, it will take LONGER to change gears with a shorter rod.

If you apply more force, it will take the same amount of time.

I dunno about you, but I think the GTS tranny has enough problems, putting extra effort on it is never a good idea.

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finaly now can we drop this we are both rite and wrong
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OMG will you just admit you are wrong about cutting the stock rod? rolleyes

It's moving the weight the same distance, with less movement, but more effort.

The whole idea is to make it take less time. If you increase the effort, it increases the time.

All you have done is made the thing look shorter, made it harder to shift and make it take longer. Why would you want to make it harder/longer to shift?

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ergggg DROP IT
you jsut said your arm moves less i just said it would take a little more effort


were agreing with eachother ? are you done ?

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I'm not going to agree with you.

Cutting the stock rod is a BAD idea, for no other reason that it makes it harder to shift and makes it take more time.

Sure, you're arm moves less, but who wants to make it harder to shift?

It's a rice mod that people use to act cool, and not understand the principle behind it. It's no different than sticking a wheelie bar on a FWD drag car.

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did i ever say it was a good idea ? no i didn't. i just said it will shorten the movement a small amount correct yes now are we done ?

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Originally Posted by drkramm
did i ever say it was a good idea ? no i didn't. i just said it will shorten the movement a small amount correct yes now are we done ?


It will shorten the movement, and increase the strain on the transmission and effort/time during shifting.

You can't talk about one benefit without talking about the risks. It's not fair to people looking for information about doing a modification to their car. They come here looking for help, and you are posting information that is not helpful.

It's the same as saying: "If you set off a nuclear bomb at night, it will light up the sky better than a flashlight can."

Yes, it will. It will also kill everything for hundreds of miles. Setting one off to light up the night is a bad idea.

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drkramm Apr 12, 2:50pm - #151541 
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what preformance item for cars doesn't have draw backs ?

lightweiht flywheel drops revs faster
exhaust helps top end but lowers bottem end same with Intake
advancing retarding timeing gives more poer low or high

everything has its negative aspects

hey thats a 20 minute phone call
"if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable
Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
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DiabloGTS
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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 2:52pm - #151542 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
what preformance item for cars doesn't have draw backs ?

lightweiht flywheel drops revs faster
exhaust helps top end but lowers bottem end same with Intake
advancing retarding timeing gives more poer low or high

everything has its negative aspects


none of those things you posted can put extra strain on the engine/transmission under normal operating conditions.

Cutting the stock rod can, and will. the Celica tranny is weak enough, putting added strain on it is a bad idea.

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trog2233 Apr 12, 2:54pm - #151543 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
what preformance item for cars doesn't have draw backs ?

lightweiht flywheel drops revs faster
exhaust helps top end but lowers bottem end same with Intake
advancing retarding timeing gives more poer low or high

everything has its negative aspects


DUDE ...hahah you say you wanna just drop this debate but yet you keep bringing it back up rofl
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DiabloGTS
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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 2:58pm - #151544 

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we're trying to help answer this person's question with FACTUAL information about the implications of this modification.

Unless you have some to present, why don't you drop it.

It's a bad idea, we've proven why it is with phyiscs, opinion, and fact.

That's all the poster of this thread was looking for, and that's all myself and the other members we're trying to answer.

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drkramm Apr 12, 3:17pm - #151545 
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Originally Posted by trog2233
Originally Posted by drkramm
what preformance item for cars doesn't have draw backs ?

lightweiht flywheel drops revs faster
exhaust helps top end but lowers bottem end same with Intake
advancing retarding timeing gives more poer low or high

everything has its negative aspects


DUDE ...hahah you say you wanna just drop this debate but yet you keep bringing it back up rofl


i kept saying drop it and he also kept bringing it back up hell i tried to finnish it

so when you get up off the floor from laughing at what ever you laughing at you can go and leave thank you very much

hey thats a 20 minute phone call
"if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable
Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
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drkramm
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drkramm Apr 12, 3:18pm - #151546 
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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
we're trying to help answer this person's question with FACTUAL information about the implications of this modification.

Unless you have some to present, why don't you drop it.

It's a bad idea, we've proven why it is with phyiscs, opinion, and fact.

That's all the poster of this thread was looking for, and that's all myself and the other members we're trying to answer.


what wasn't factual about my info ? i siad it would shorten throw minamaly and it does so where did i lie ? i never said it was a good idea or a bad idea

hey thats a 20 minute phone call
"if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable
Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
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DiabloGTS
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DiabloGTS Apr 12, 3:39pm - #151547 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
we're trying to help answer this person's question with FACTUAL information about the implications of this modification.

Unless you have some to present, why don't you drop it.

It's a bad idea, we've proven why it is with phyiscs, opinion, and fact.

That's all the poster of this thread was looking for, and that's all myself and the other members we're trying to answer.


what wasn't factual about my info ? i siad it would shorten throw minamaly and it does so where did i lie ? i never said it was a good idea or a bad idea


You posted a positive aspect without accepting the negative.

That's not helpful information.

You are wrong, and your information is not helpful. Stop posting in this thread.

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VSGTS14
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VSGTS14 Apr 12, 3:39pm - #151548 

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dude, shut up and cut if you want to, we are trying to tell you it's not gonna change anything and just make the shift harder..

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drkramm Apr 12, 3:43pm - #151549 
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
dude, shut up and cut if you want to, we are trying to tell you it's not gonna change anything and just make the shift harder..


are you blind he just said it would make it a lil shorter which is what i orignaly said

so you cut it then your throat do us a favor and read next time






it wil shorten throw a minscule amount (like i said from the very start) and will make it a tad harder ther done period its over

mod please lock this its out of hand

hey thats a 20 minute phone call
"if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable
Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
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trog2233
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trog2233 Apr 12, 3:44pm - #151550 

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Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
dude, shut up and cut if you want to, we are trying to tell you it's not gonna change anything and just make the shift harder..


are you blind he just said it would make it a lil shorter which is what i orignaly said

so you cut it then your throat do us a favor and read next time






it wil shorten throw a minscule amount (like i said from the very start) and will make it a tad harder ther done period its over

mod please lock this its out of hand



Are you tryin to get banned? wtf thumbsdown rolleyes

ever think YOU ARE THE ONE WRONG
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drkramm
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drkramm Apr 12, 3:47pm - #151551 
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Originally Posted by trog2233
Originally Posted by drkramm
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
dude, shut up and cut if you want to, we are trying to tell you it's not gonna change anything and just make the shift harder..


are you blind he just said it would make it a lil shorter which is what i orignaly said

so you cut it then your throat do us a favor and read next time






it wil shorten throw a minscule amount (like i said from the very start) and will make it a tad harder ther done period its over

mod please lock this its out of hand



Are you tryin to get banned? wtf thumbsdown rolleyes

ever think YOU ARE THE ONE WRONG



what is wrong with you he jsut said himself that it will shortrn the amount your arm has to move its done please come with the lock already this is starting to agrvate me

hey thats a 20 minute phone call
"if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"
derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable
Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
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