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Apr 7, 8:33pm - #148076 
Which one is shorter?

which shifter is shorter? grin B&M or TWM? its for GTS...thanks.

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Apr 7, 8:35pm - #148077 
damn, sorry, thought it was a general discussion...sorry everyone

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Apr 7, 9:16pm - #148078 
TWM is the shortest...

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Apr 8, 5:44am - #148079 
ya ^^

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Apr 8, 5:52am - #148080 
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


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Apr 8, 6:22am - #148081 
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?

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Apr 8, 6:24am - #148082 
Originally Posted by KULOD
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.


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Apr 8, 6:25am - #148083 
Levers

A lever is a simple machine that magnifies force. Levers are comprised of a rigid bar (lever arm) a pivot point (fulcrum), a load force, and an effort force. The effort force creates a torque around the fulcrum. The magnitude of this torque is dependant on the magnitude of the force and its distance from the fulcrum. This torque must be balanced by the torque created by the load force. Changing he distance from the fulcrum to the load force changes the amount of force magnification.



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Apr 8, 8:05am - #148084 
physics 101

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Apr 8, 9:00am - #148085 
lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?

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Apr 8, 4:14pm - #148086 
Originally Posted by Sparty
lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?


i have twm and i can tell you its 10 times better then stock, cant speak for b&m though...


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Apr 8, 4:20pm - #148087 
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by KULOD
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.


true...

i didn't know B&M had the shorter throw...i like B&M, i need to get it.


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Apr 8, 4:39pm - #148088 
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by KULOD
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TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.


true...

i didn't know B&M had the shorter throw...i like B&M, i need to get it.


i would have to recommend twm thumbsup


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Apr 8, 9:13pm - #148089 
Stock the GTS shifter is rough...how rough is it with the SS?

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Apr 8, 10:06pm - #148090 
Originally Posted by Sparty
lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?

Here is TWM:

1869924326-TWM SHORT SHIFTER $124.jpg
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Apr 8, 10:08pm - #148091 
And here is the stock :

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Apr 8, 10:11pm - #148092 
I'm still waiting for someone to buy a S/S, then chop off like three inches so that the shifter is almost level with the console.


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