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Sparty Apr 8, 3:33am - #148076 

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Which one is shorter?

which shifter is shorter? grin B&M or TWM? its for GTS...thanks.
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Sparty Apr 8, 3:35am - #148077 

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damn, sorry, thought it was a general discussion...sorry everyone
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RoMkApOmKa Apr 8, 4:16am - #148078 

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TWM is the shortest...
1869921942-www.TWMperformance.com $124.jpg

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DiabloGTS Apr 8, 12:52pm - #148080 

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TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes

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KULOD Apr 8, 1:22pm - #148081 

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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?
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DiabloGTS Apr 8, 1:24pm - #148082 

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Originally Posted by KULOD
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.

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DiabloGTS Apr 8, 1:25pm - #148083 

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Levers

A lever is a simple machine that magnifies force. Levers are comprised of a rigid bar (lever arm) a pivot point (fulcrum), a load force, and an effort force. The effort force creates a torque around the fulcrum. The magnitude of this torque is dependant on the magnitude of the force and its distance from the fulcrum. This torque must be balanced by the torque created by the load force. Changing he distance from the fulcrum to the load force changes the amount of force magnification.


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Sultan Apr 8, 3:05pm - #148084 

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Sparty Apr 8, 4:00pm - #148085 

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lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?
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eric_h Apr 8, 11:14pm - #148086 

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Originally Posted by Sparty
lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?


i have twm and i can tell you its 10 times better then stock, cant speak for b&m though...

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VSGTS14 Apr 8, 11:20pm - #148087 

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Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by KULOD
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.


true...

i didn't know B&M had the shorter throw...i like B&M, i need to get it.

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eric_h Apr 8, 11:39pm - #148088 

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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
Originally Posted by KULOD
Originally Posted by DiabloGTS
TWM, but B&M has shorter throws. spineyes


how?


Because a shifter being shorter doesn't really mean shorter throws, you have to change the fulcrom point of the lever to make them shorter.

This is why people with cut rods are stupid, because it doesn't do anything. You have to change the fulcrom in order to change the leverage and the length of the shifts.


true...

i didn't know B&M had the shorter throw...i like B&M, i need to get it.


i would have to recommend twm thumbsup

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Rocketman Apr 9, 4:13am - #148089 

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Stock the GTS shifter is rough...how rough is it with the SS?
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RoMkApOmKa Apr 9, 5:06am - #148090 

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Originally Posted by Sparty
lol... physics grin
the reason im looking for the shortest is that i want it to look really really short grin dunno why... but do you think there is a big difference between TWM and B&M in the throw perfomance?

Here is TWM:
1869924326-TWM SHORT SHIFTER $124.jpg
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RoMkApOmKa Apr 9, 5:08am - #148091 

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And here is the stock :
1869924329-100_0769.JPG
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RevMonster Apr 9, 5:11am - #148092 

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I'm still waiting for someone to buy a S/S, then chop off like three inches so that the shifter is almost level with the console.

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