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dea7hr0w May 2, 4:43am - #14439 
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Need Torque!

Ok i have the following mods but which aftermarket products can give me more torque ? confused
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Grand-Touring-Dan May 2, 4:52am - #14440 
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Nitrous. A lighter flywheel may help with acceleration.
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FX-MAN May 2, 5:02am - #14441 
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where on the band do you want the torque?

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FX-MAN May 2, 5:07am - #14442 
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Dan's right... Flywheel would be the next thing I think if you want to stay with NA.. with all those mods though, you coulda had a turbo by now.. If you have $4K I would turbo. Dave Draper makes a kickass GT kit starting with the turbo designed for the 1.8 liter Audie A4 Quattro and custom Injen piping, he is taking orders in 2 weeks, the kit will arrive 1 month after that (you will lose your header and your Intake, but you will end up with 200whp). If you don't have the $ for a turbo though, I would get a flywheel next, or cosider a port and pollish job (although make sure you go somewhere good because you don't wanna screw that up).

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dea7hr0w May 2, 6:26am - #14443 
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thanks wave cheers
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FX-MAN May 2, 6:33am - #14444 
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you have the AEM underdrive pulley and a system.. how do you not fry your battery all the time????

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silverslider May 2, 7:37am - #14445 
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you got the wrong car for torque. Best bet would be Forced Induction(aka turbo or Custom Supercharger)
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dea7hr0w May 2, 8:12am - #14446 
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Quote:
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you have the AEM underdrive pulley and a system.. how do you not fry your battery all the time????
well my battery has died like 4 times rofl , but thats because my car was turned off of ignition thumbsdown , but other then taht its cool thumbsup grin
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fly wheel ... get a fly wheel thumbsup
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Night_Riders May 3, 4:21pm - #14448 
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well the first thing you did wrong, that most of us did was the CAI, this is fine if you want a few HP up high, but i takes a way torque downlow. aside from that im gonna say forced induction and perhaps a valve and lifter kit($300) for good torque gain.
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Originally posted by Night_Riders:
well the first thing you did wrong, that most of us did was the CAI, this is fine if you want a few HP up high, but i takes a way torque downlow. aside from that im gonna say forced induction and perhaps a valve and lifter kit($300) for good torque gain.
good luck
Just wondering where i could lay my hands on the lifter kit mentioned?
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7th_gen_celica May 4, 7:40am - #14450 
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Originally posted by Night_Riders:
well the first thing you did wrong, that most of us did was the CAI, this is fine if you want a few HP up high, but i takes a way torque downlow.
just how much torque do you lose? I have read lots of reviews and have decided on an Injen CAI. I have a 2002 gt, is there really that much torque lost? is it all across the band?

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FX-MAN May 4, 3:18am - #14451 
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you don't lose any.. I have seen actual dyno, the only place an AEM even MATCHES stock torque on the powerband is around 2000RPM and it's brief like only between 2000 and 2100. Everywhere else it's higher.. not sure what he is talking about, I have one and I know I got low end gains in torque not a loss.

Actually the Dyno on the AEM site is closer than people say it is (it really did look like that on my buddy's car).. it's all hype from guys who blew their wads on short rams.

The whole idea of a CAI causing a torque loss is rediculous, cold air has higher volume (that's why warm air rises), more air, more ignition.. end of discussion.

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dea7hr0w May 4, 5:13am - #14452 
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Quote:
Originally posted by Night_Riders:
well the first thing you did wrong, that most of us did was the CAI, this is fine if you want a few HP up high, but i takes a way torque downlow. aside from that im gonna say forced induction and perhaps a valve and lifter kit($300) for good torque gain.
good luck
actually... i tried using AEM CAI, bt it doesnt fit it kept on hitting the tranny thumbsdown wtf puke . i own an auto... and the AEM CAI only works for stick thumbsdown ...

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also the flywheel was mentioned... what is that ?

the nos and stuff... <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/bs.gif" /> thumbsdown i only want motor, NOS is just like cheat stuff... it reminds me of Fast and Furious... <img src=" title="" src="graemlins/bs.gif" /> if i was going to get NOS i might as well applied for the movie then wave rofl no offense to people who has nos though.. i still have respect for you guys wave wink
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FX-MAN May 4, 5:33am - #14453 
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Don't they make a different CAI for the Auto? not sure, I have a 5sp but I am pretty sure some of the team celica guys up here have CAI with an auto trans. Not sure, I'll ask around.

Flywheel is sort of but not really a clutch component, it goes between your crank and your clutch pressure plate, if you lighten it, it unlocks some torque that is lost between the engine and the wheels since the crank doesn't have to spin so much weight to turn your gears. It's not adding any more power to your engine, just getting more onto the road. (they say every lb is about 2.5lb -ft of torque across the band, so it's expensive but worth it if you lighten it allot, and can really help with acceleration) It's an expensive install since you have to remove the trans axle the exhaust and the clutch to get at the flywheel (so it's a good time to replace the clutch too, since you have to put the clutch back together anyway a new clutch install will not cost you any labor, if your clutch is more than 2 years old and you can afford a new one I would do the clutch at the same time). A good mechanic will charge about 4 hours of labor.

I am thinking about the fidanza flywheel, but I need to find the weight of the stock flywheel to figure out if the gains are worth the money.. (the install is as expensive as the flywheel itself).

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Grand-Touring-Dan May 4, 4:15pm - #14456 
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You wouldn't be N/A with nitrous. But if you do want to stay in N/A, I reccommend the flywheel. I have never heard of a lifter kit for our cars, if there is ones out, you would be one of the first, if not THE first to have this. I don't know if port and polish will help out with torque. You could look into some serious engine work, like bore the cylinders, replace pistons, rods, etc etc.
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Grand-Touring-Dan May 5, 3:00am - #14457 
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Also, how about that motor mount that is going around on NC.org. I'm sure that gives a little low end. Not much, but it all adds up.
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dea7hr0w May 5, 7:24am - #14458 
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get a flywheel, anyway the bullshit about AEM CAI causing a loss in low-end torque is wrong, just short-ramers wishing they had CAI. I would get turbo...why did you get a auto anyway if you are SO concerned about being racey, do you know how to drive a stick? spineyes
i got an auto because my parent gave it to me for my graduation... thumbsup ... i dont want to be racey but i just need more torque becaue of my 2 12's that are weighing me dow wave grin n and my wing... that have thing thumbsdown even though it carbonfiber... err !!

so yeah i guess but trying 2 find the parts about flywheel might be difficult... and ill check in the motor mount also thanks Grand-Touring-Dan wave

if anyone finds anything please post... thanks ! wave thumbsup grin
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jeremy May 5, 1:05pm - #14459 
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try going to www.suprastore.com they sell celica flywheels and clutches.

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or...go to www.nopionline.com they have a flywheel and clutch there...
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Outcast Racing May 12, 2:57pm - #14461 
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Hey man do not be too disapointed with the auto if you decide to go to a strip car. I have notice over time that the automatics do a lot better in the 1/4 mile (consistantly) simply because you can not miss shifts and things of that nature. So any time someone gives you crap about having one just take them out to the strip and show them a thing or two. Once again just my two cents thumbsup
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celica01gt May 12, 3:50pm - #14462 
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hmp... okay you guys you all got to forgive my ignorance but why does torque have to be important?

what does torque do for cars?
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dea7hr0w May 12, 6:15pm - #14463 
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torque help you pull, or bring your car up to speed so like at a launch or better pick up... thats why most american cars have good starts cry [Mad] , because they have good pick up but bad high end... thumbsup wave

i think... but correct me if im wrong
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celica01gt May 13, 7:19am - #14464 
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so correct me if im wrong..

torque is qhat gets you off like how fast you go from a static position. if this is so cellica's start slow but catches up later on?
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