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Sparty Apr 1, 6:17am - #141605 

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PFC question...

ok, have seen more and more posts about PFC recently here...even videos... i did some search and it looks like its a fuel control, rite? and it looks like the most common for celi is Apexi FC.
what are the gains? say how does the time from 0-60 change???

I saw that video someone posted from 15-100.. pretty impressive. looks like one of the best mods to decrease acceleration time.
And what is the price range for the product plus installation? and of because the best place to look for them online grin thank youuuu rice
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5280vvti Apr 1, 6:26am - #141606 

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I think its like $1100, but I'm not sure. The S-AFC is like $350
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spaztikid Apr 1, 6:30am - #141607 
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Originally Posted by 5280vvti

I think its like $1100, but I'm not sure. The S-AFC is like $350


safc doesnt work...


PFC does everything you listed and tons more, it is a replacement for your ECU, i suggest you do more reading and search because i'm not gonna type out like 4 paragraphs on what it does...

also, its about 900 bucks and you install it youeself, just 2 bolts and unplug then replug a harness.
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LostAngel Apr 1, 6:34am - #141608 
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Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by 5280vvti

I think its like $1100, but I'm not sure. The S-AFC is like $350


safc doesnt work...


PFC does everything you listed and tons more, it is a replacement for your ECU, i suggest you do more reading and search because i'm not gonna type out like 4 paragraphs on what it does...

also, its about 900 bucks and you install it youeself, just 2 bolts and unplug then replug a harness.

Yep, it does alot, and does seem easy too install:
The Power FC proudly stands as A'PEX's answer to the constraints and limitations associated with most piggy-back style fuel controllers. The Power FC is a complete, stand alone, total engine management system capable of handling virtually anything thrown in its path. From multiple point fuel and ignition control to VTEC engagement (Honda applications) and boost settings, the Power FC is capable of accommodating even the most demanding Performance enthusiasts.

The Power FC replaces the factory ECU and controls all engine parameters.(Off road use only, no OBD-II) Installation is as easy as replacing the factory ECU. The factory engine harness does not need to be replaced and all critical accessories such as air conditioning continue to function. By using the optional FC COMMANDER, the user can adjust and modify a wide range of settings. By changing various parameters and data, the Power FC will adapt to any of your Performance needs. Since there is no need to upgrade ROM chips or trade in ECU's, the factory ECU can be kept by the original user.

The Power FC operates off of three Main Menus. These menus are : Monitor, Setting, and ETC.
In Monitor Mode, the Commander can display up to 10 parameters of data in real time. Monitor Mode can display:
Engine RPM
Ignition Timing
Vehicle Speed
Air Flow Voltage (Pressure Sensor Voltage)
Injector Duty Cycle
Boost
Knocking Level
Battery Voltage
Intake Air Temp
Water Temp
In addition, there are 4 display patterns allowing 1-8 parameters to be shown on screen at once. The data displays in numerical real time values with the option of a real time 10 second graph display. Peak Hold values and Display Hold functions only require the touch of a button. The Map Trace Mode allows Ghost Map Tracing of the Fuel Correction and Ignition Timing maps. This allows the user to visually see what point of the map is being used in real time. The Ghost Map Trace function leaves markers on the used portions of the map for easy reference.
Setting Mode allows full access to the 20x20 ignition timing and fuel correction maps. The user can adjust any portion of this map in 5x5 sections. Air flow correction values can be entered for vehicles upgrading air flow meters. Injector pulse correction menu is used when upgrading injectors on the engine. The Acceleration Enrichment Correction function improves response under hard and sudden acceleration. The Cranking Fuel Injection menu corrects the amount of fuel when the engine is being cranked, or when the water temperature is cold. A separate Water Temp menu allows fuel correction according to water temperature. The RPM menu allows rev limiter settings and idle RPM levels. Access menus also vary according to specialty engines. Rotary engine Power FC's accommodate leading and trailing ignition maps. Honda engines Power FC's allow for VTEC control. Complete boost control is possible by using the optional Boost Control Kit (Not necessary for vehicles that come factory Turbocharged.). Changing data is easy: just access the desired point on the map or data, and push the FC COMMANDER keys in the appropriate direction.
The Power FC also comes preprogrammed with several base maps. (Currently with Japan Domestic Market Vehicle Maps. Minor initial tuning may be required.) This makes the initial tuning process much quicker. As with all other fuel controllers, the POWER FC should be tuned on a dynomometer by a trained professional. A high grade air/ fuel ratio monitor is also recommended during tuning to ensure best results.

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And heres MWR's Map for the chip:
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Lucky_317 Apr 1, 6:37am - #141609 

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that vid would be mine wink lol

pm groupbuy4celica hes got the best prices.

and everyones info was right on from what I read.

the S-afc does not work. good luck.

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wow that dyno really helps...
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Lucky_317 Apr 1, 5:39pm - #141611 

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the dyno I posted was more real. I went from 166.5 to 171.8 peak and gained 20 in the midrange. that graph isnt really accurate. best to look at a real dyno graph. if you search I posted mine.

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Sparty Apr 1, 7:15pm - #141612 

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the dyno I posted was more real. I went from 166.5 to 171.8 peak and gained 20 in the midrange. that graph isnt really accurate. best to look at a real dyno graph. if you search I posted mine.


So how are the real gains? i mean can you really feel it? say how has your 0-60 time changed? all i actually need is the acceleration at 1,2 , maybe 3 gear. after that celica does pretty good..
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LiGhTniNgGT-S Apr 1, 7:44pm - #141613 
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Originally Posted by Sparty

ok, have seen more and more posts about PFC recently here...even videos... i did some search and it looks like its a fuel control, rite? and it looks like the most common for celi is Apexi FC.
what are the gains? say how does the time from 0-60 change???

I saw that video someone posted from 15-100.. pretty impressive. looks like one of the best mods to decrease acceleration time.
And what is the price range for the product plus installation? and of because the best place to look for them online grin thank youuuu rice



Lucky help me out on this.. but it's about $1000 + $4-500 for MWR maps. With a PFC Commander you can control ur fuel maps. As far as instalation goes, Death did an install guide for it. Should take you no more than 10-15 minutes. U just swap ur ECU out with it.

And you want the PFC not S-AFC.. the S-AFC does NOTHING.
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Lucky_317 Apr 1, 7:52pm - #141614 

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It's $950 if you buy the power fc from groupbuy4celica

MWR's maps are like $50

if you want to do like we do and change maps you will need the data logit software and cables from MWR for around $339

to retune those mwr maps specifically to your car figure $500


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LiGhTniNgGT-S Apr 1, 7:55pm - #141615 
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So $1839 and some change?? wave
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