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how much of a hp gain from headers? #134081 Mar 24, 5:08pm Mar 24, 5:08pm
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how much of a hp gain from headers?
or lets say you've got a stock gts. you add TRD Intake, exhaust, and headers. how much power you got?

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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: isaac] #134084 Mar 24, 7:26pm Mar 24, 7:26pm
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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: isaac] #134085 Mar 24, 7:30pm Mar 24, 7:30pm
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Intakes alone usually give about 2-3 (name brand such as Injen, AEM, rmm)
exhausts alone usually give about 3-5 (again: not ripoffs)
headers alone usually give about 4-11 (same..no ripoffs)

when you put everything together though, you will gain more together than they do individually.

you're looking at a ballpark figure of 13-15 whp thumbsup

Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: SwiftCelGTS] #134086 Mar 24, 7:37pm Mar 24, 7:37pm
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i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...TRD exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: VSGTS14] #134087 Mar 24, 7:42pm Mar 24, 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


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Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.
I'd say 7hp at the most. That's just me.

Besides, dyno results can fluctuate a few horsepower each read, so who really knows?


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: Evan] #134089 Mar 24, 7:54pm Mar 24, 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


correct. they equal more. like sentergy or centergy or however you say it

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^^synergy rofl

Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: Speed4TheNeed] #134091 Mar 24, 7:57pm Mar 24, 7:57pm
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^^synergy rofl


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: Evan] #134092 Mar 24, 8:24pm Mar 24, 8:24pm
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whats the highest hp a celica ever got?

Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: ghostingcelica] #134093 Mar 24, 8:27pm Mar 24, 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by ghostingcelica
whats the highest hp a celica ever got?

there are gen7's over 300hp, but there are alltracks with over a thousand HP


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: ghostingcelica] #134094 Mar 24, 8:28pm Mar 24, 8:28pm
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3sgte's can have over 500 hp easy, they are found in the older MR2's and all trac's.

with the "zz" engines, i'd say smaay had the highest, with about 267ish WHP, from the XS Turbo.

Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: spaztikid] #134095 Mar 24, 9:01pm Mar 24, 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by spaztikid
3sgte's can have over 500 hp easy, they are found in the older MR2's and all trac's.

with the "zz" engines, i'd say smaay had the highest, with about 267ish WHP, from the XS Turbo.

the hotchkis celi had over 300hp


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: SwiftCelGTS] #134096 Mar 24, 9:06pm Mar 24, 9:06pm
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synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less

Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: DarkMatter] #134097 Mar 24, 9:20pm Mar 24, 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: eric_h] #134098 Mar 24, 10:08pm Mar 24, 10:08pm
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the Rod Millen celica has like 550 or something liek that, go on caranddriver.com or ill go find the link real quick..

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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: Mad_Game] #134100 Mar 25, 2:55am Mar 25, 2:55am
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Originally Posted by Mad_Game


beautiful. if they figured out a way to increase torque down low and fixed that transmission, i'd need to to rob a bank

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Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


Yes, did you read my post carefully? I said that was NOT the case deal :

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i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


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Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


Yes, did you read my post carefully? I said that was NOT the case deal :

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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


well, i understood it the first time, if that helps, evan thumbsup

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Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


Yes, did you read my post carefully? I said that was NOT the case deal :

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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


well, i understood it the first time, if that helps, evan thumbsup


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Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by sPeEd4tHeNeEd
Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


Yes, did you read my post carefully? I said that was NOT the case deal :

Originally Posted by Evan
[quote=VSGTS14]i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


well, i understood it the first time, if that helps, evan thumbsup


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: SwiftCelGTS] #134105 Mar 25, 10:20am Mar 25, 10:20am
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well to answer your question a stock gts with Intake,header, and exhaust rate at about 175whp. our GTS respond very well to "breather" mods.


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: SwiftCelGTS] #134106 Mar 25, 10:22am Mar 25, 10:22am
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woops! forgot to mention...that dyno is from a 6sp GTS...the auto GTS will only garner 155-160whp with i/h/e... thumbsup


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: Evan] #134107 Mar 25, 10:35am Mar 25, 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Evan
Originally Posted by DarkMatter
synergy.. um.. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

so, if the combo of these items were a synergy, they would offer more hp than the sum of the individual pieces, not less


Yes, did you read my post carefully? I said that was NOT the case deal :

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i'd say 15-20...Trial is known for 11...trd exhaust is like 6...and Intake...


You can't just add them up; those are independent gains. Together, they don't equal the sum of all their parts.


Yeah, you also said that you can't just add them up. I understand the concept and agree with you. Also, I misread a post, yes- but it wasn't yours I was responding to. Unnecessary... complications... zzzi... ``zzzzz' ''

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^^Thus, as ct's dyno demonstrates.. all of those mods together only yielded a 5hp increase deal


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Originally Posted by Evan
^^Thus, as ct's dyno demonstrates.. all of those mods together only yielded a 5hp increase deal

exactly.

Trials #'s are about as far fetched as you can get. people claim up to 10 whp but I personally have yet to see it done. Even monkey wrench racing was unhappy with the results they got when dynoing with the trial. So bad in fact they wouldnt release the #'s. lol

I don't think you'll see more then 10 whp all three combined. Even thats a bit of a stretch.

if you want real power you gotta get the Power FC and tune it to your car. with generic tuning I saw 20 whp in the midrange and 15 wtq. I plan to hit 180 whp with proper tuning wink only mods besides the pfc is AEM CAI.

good luck aiming for 15 whp gains with I/H/E smile


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I thought i saw on your another thread you were getting a GTS auto. I know that some people have actually lost HP putting headers into there auto.

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Originally Posted by spyder00367
I thought i saw on your another thread you were getting a GTS auto. I know that some people have actually lost HP putting headers into there auto.


well they will lose low end but gain mid to high end...they are "slower" because pick up from a stop is slower...


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Re: how much of a hp gain from headers? [Re: SwiftCelGTS] #134113 Mar 26, 10:36am Mar 26, 10:36am
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Originally Posted by sUpErSwIfTcEliCa
or lets say you've got a stock gts. you add trd Intake, exhaust, and headers. how much power you got?


there is only ONE exhaust manifold on the celica, hence we have One headder.

if we had a v4(boxter style) v6 or v8 we would have 2 exhaust manifolds hence "headders"

trial headder has been shown to run pretty lean on a dyno, as well as other i/h/e gts's which will make more power,

stock dynos are anywhere from high 150's to low 160's and i/h/e gts usually dyno in the 170's

gains from i/h/e are in the 10whp range.

as mike said add the pfc and it gets multiplied. as we will soon see with my car smile


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^^ mine may even be done before yours wink lol 180 whp with Intake and powerFC is the goal. thumbsup


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^^ mine may even be done before yours wink lol 180 whp with Intake and powerFC is the goal. thumbsup


sadly this may be true :sadpace:

:sigh: but at least we'll both have 180 whp wink


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