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Feb 21, 6:29pm - #108526 
How much HP do you get out of cams?

ive heard 15-20 is that right? and what exactly do they help do?


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Feb 21, 6:36pm - #108527 
cams are the things that push down the Intake and exhaust valves...

thats the simple version of what they do.

and yes they can add upwards of 20hp if they were machined properly and there was room for improvement over stock.

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Feb 21, 6:56pm - #108528 
Originally Posted by spaztikid
cams are the things that push down the Intake and exhaust valves...

thats the simple version of what they do.

and yes they can add upwards of 20hp if they were machined properly and there was room for improvement over stock.


True that...I'm not going to hassle with them though thumbsup

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Feb 21, 6:58pm - #108529 
Is there upgraded cam shaft for the GTS?


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Feb 21, 7:12pm - #108530 
i don't think you would need them for the GTS.. the cam timing and lift are already super aggressive. well maybe an exhaust cam mod would help confused


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Feb 21, 7:24pm - #108531 
Originally Posted by glitch
i don't think you would need them for the GTS.. the cam timing and lift are already super aggressive. well maybe an exhaust cam mod would help confused


the reason so many companies are having trouble designing cams for the 2zz is because toyota made em damn near perfect.

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Feb 22, 2:18am - #108532 
Build the rest of your engine up. Get stiffer valve springs and forge your block and crank to heavier standards. Then get some Darkin sleeves if they make them, then check Toda for some cams for the 2ZZ-CE.Get some timer pulleys from AEM and overlap the valve timing ever so slighty. NA power is the way to go if you want power though the entire powerband.

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Feb 22, 2:45am - #108533 
vvti wont allow for valve overlap ... thats the whole point behind it.

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Feb 22, 7:14pm - #108534 
wanna see how well cams help look at the vvtl-i that adds like 40hp at 6k


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Feb 22, 7:16pm - #108535 
Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by glitch
i don't think you would need them for the GTS.. the cam timing and lift are already super aggressive. well maybe an exhaust cam mod would help confused


the reason so many companies are having trouble designing cams for the 2zz is because toyota made em damn near perfect.


Ya the cams for our GTS are great.


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Feb 22, 7:26pm - #108536 
what about cams for a GT? benefit? what else needs to be done concurrently with a cam upgrade?

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Feb 22, 7:32pm - #108537 
Also because of the physical characteristics of the lobes, they're made out of 2 metals or whatnot. They're not your average cam shaft.

Originally Posted by spaztikid
the reason so many companies are having trouble designing cams for the 2zz is because toyota made em damn near perfect.

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Feb 22, 7:34pm - #108538 
is there a diff. between the GT's and GTS's???


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Feb 22, 7:48pm - #108539 
This may be off the topic, but what about the engine that was originally for Christian Rado the same as ours (GTS) before the switch to the Tundra engine I believe. There were plans for some nice titanium engine parts and they had them. If I remember they said our engine could hold up to at least 500 HP w/out the lift engaged for turbo drag reasons. I'm sure they had custom cams from TRD. Where are the specs for that engine? What about a tuned down version of that? Anybody know what I'm talking about? I know the cost would be tremendous.

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Feb 22, 8:03pm - #108540 
didn't they just come out with aftermarket cams and pistons for the GT?

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Feb 22, 10:29pm - #108541 
Originally Posted by tempest
didn't they just come out with aftermarket cams and pistons for the GT?


yes

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Feb 22, 10:34pm - #108542 
can i put gts cams in my gt

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Feb 22, 10:42pm - #108543 
Originally Posted by westbury
can i put gts cams in my gt


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Feb 22, 10:44pm - #108544 
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused

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Feb 22, 11:41pm - #108545 
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


i think it is i'm going to get them

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Feb 23, 12:01am - #108546 
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


NA cams & pistons - no

cams and pistons for a FI application - yes

why spend like 2-3 grand on a GT to make 160whp? you could just get a GTS

but if you plan on going FI then there is reason to do internals.

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Feb 23, 12:08am - #108547 
Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


NA cams & pistons - no

cams and pistons for a FI application - yes

why spend like 2-3 grand on a GT to make 160whp? you could just get a GTS

but if you plan on going FI then there is reason to do internals.

what do you think is gonna cost 2-3 grand???


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Feb 23, 12:10am - #108548 
Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


NA cams & pistons - no

cams and pistons for a FI application - yes

why spend like 2-3 grand on a GT to make 160whp? you could just get a GTS

but if you plan on going FI then there is reason to do internals.


true, but I've put so much into my ride already that I'd rather mod it further than trade it in

although $3000 is a bit steep for a performance upgrade, if it gives me respectable hp gains for a GT then I'm on it

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Feb 23, 12:13am - #108549 
Originally Posted by NorwayGT
Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


NA cams & pistons - no

cams and pistons for a FI application - yes

why spend like 2-3 grand on a GT to make 160whp? you could just get a GTS

but if you plan on going FI then there is reason to do internals.

what do you think is gonna cost 2-3 grand???


cams, pistons, connecting rods ... thats at least 2 grand in parts, and most people, incuding myself are not about to tear down their engine in their driveways even if they knew how to do it.

therefore you pay a shop bank to do it, because its not easy, and it takes a hell of a long time to do... so about 1000- 1300 in shop fees will set you well over 3k to make 160 whp in a GT that now, cannot be turbocharged as effectively as a stock GT due to NA cams.


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Feb 23, 12:15am - #108550 
Originally Posted by Sultan
Originally Posted by spaztikid
Originally Posted by Sultan
what I'd like to know is -

Is it really worth the hassle to get cams and pistons for a GT? confused


NA cams & pistons - no

cams and pistons for a FI application - yes

why spend like 2-3 grand on a GT to make 160whp? you could just get a GTS

but if you plan on going FI then there is reason to do internals.


true, but I've put so much into my ride already that I'd rather mod it further than trade it in

although $3000 is a bit steep for a performance upgrade, if it gives me respectable hp gains for a GT then I'm on it


get a TURBO it costs olmost the same and there's room to make mods after... once you put NA cams in, FI is a waste and you might as well tear it down again an put some FI cams in.

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Feb 23, 12:31am - #108551 
I guess a turbo would be more cost effective

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